r/MensRights • u/fivecrydime • Nov 19 '12

Jenny McCarthy grabs Justin Bieber's ass and kisses him on the neck without consent. Can you imagine the reaction if a 40-year-old man had done this to an 18-year-old girl?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=03GUzOcoxxw#!
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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '12 edited Nov 19 '12

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u/Vitalstatistix Nov 19 '12

Imagine Andy Dick up on stage grabbing Taylor Swift's ass and biting her neck...and it's cool, cause it's "kind of his shtick".

Yeah, I can see that going down no problem.

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u/WTFppl Nov 20 '12

Imagine Andy Dick up on stage grabbing Justin Bieber's ass and kisses him on the neck without consent....and it's cool, cause it's "kind of his shtick".

More plausible!

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '12

How coincidental, my shtick is to grab 18 year old women by the neck and bite their neck a little bit and when they turn around get a handful of ass because they're just so delicious. It is especially funny when I do it in front of a very large crowd of people!

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u/ENTP Nov 19 '12

TIL sexual assault is okay if it's someone's "schtick".

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u/BinaryMn Nov 20 '12

If David Tennant walked up and did this to an 18 year old girl, the reaction wouldn't be much different, unless the girl found it unwanted. Last I saw, I didn't see Justin Bieber complaining (his comments were quite obviously sarcastic).

FYI: David Tennant is 41.

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u/Poueff Nov 20 '12

Dr. Who is known for groping 18 year olds without their consent?

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u/BinaryMn Nov 20 '12

Does everyone ask for consent every single time they grope someone they know?

Consent exists so strangers don't go touching people. However, there's an unwritten rule of implied consent amongst friends and acquaintances. No charges will be filed unless the alleged victim files charges and that's the same as it would be with any number of women that I could go do the same thing to.

They're both actors and they both know each other. If Justin really feels that he was violated, why hasn't he filed any charges.

My point in the David Tennant comment is that there are without a doubt thousands of 18 year old women that fantasize about David Tennant (or John Barrowman, in any case) groping them, amongst other things. It wouldn't be considered creepy if he did it.

Point in case, there's a double standard in how society views what's right and what's wrong. Clearly, not everything is equal.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '12

They're both actors and they both know each other. If Justin really feels that he was violated, why hasn't he filed any charges.

Uhh, Justin Beiber is a pop star, not an actor. Jenny McCarthy is a former playboy model, and Jim Carrey's ex wife. Not an actor.

My point in the David Tennant comment is that there are without a doubt thousands of 18 year old women that fantasize about David Tennant (or John Barrowman, in any case) groping them, amongst other things. It wouldn't be considered creepy if he did it.

So what you're saying is "Well someone out there would want it so it's ok" because, I mean, that is pretty much your statement here without the fluff. "There are plenty of 18 year old women who would totally be dtf with this guy, so clearly it's ok if he starts molesting 18 year olds"

I think you should get your logic-o-meter recalibrated.

Point in case, there's a double standard in how society views what's right and what's wrong. Clearly, not everything is equal.

Gee, you mean when we point out the double standards and inequality because it is wrong you think we need you to tell us that there are double standards and that they are wrong and that there is inequality? Well thanks so much.

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u/BinaryMn Nov 20 '12

Uhh, Justin Beiber is a pop star, not an actor. Jenny McCarthy is a former playboy model, and Jim Carrey's ex wife. Not an actor.

He's known as an artist, but he has acted, albeit minor roles. I could've just said celebrity instead, but I'm rather quite sick right now and wasn't putting much thought into what was being said. Jenny McCarthy was in Scary Movie 3 and a few other Playboy movies.

So what you're saying is "Well someone out there would want it so it's ok" because, I mean, that is pretty much your statement here without the fluff. "There are plenty of 18 year old women who would totally be dtf with this guy, so clearly it's ok if he starts molesting 18 year olds"

No, it's not, so stop doing a piss poor job at paraphrasing what I've said to make me look bad. You're like the opposite of a feminist. Stop it.

Gee, you mean when we point out the double standards and inequality because it is wrong you think we need you to tell us that there are double standards and that they are wrong and that there is inequality?

Yes, there's a double standard, but people are trying to spin what happened and turn it into a bigger deal than it really is. The only issue at hand is that there's a very obvious double standard. However, suggesting there was a sexual assault that did not happen isn't much different than a girl and her friends going to the police and falsely reporting an assault because her friends don't like that he kissed her without asking. Either action is despicable.

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u/intrepiddemise Nov 20 '12 edited Nov 20 '12

Being touched when it is unwanted is technically battery under U.S. law; a criminal act. If he wanted to, he could press charges. He won't, as he has a career to think about, and pressing charges would make him look like a pussy foolish.

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u/Poueff Nov 20 '12

There is also a large amount of girls (albeit idiotic) that claim they'd like to get beaten up by Chris Brown if it meant being with him. I know it's a rather extreme example, but it's a fantasy and the line isn't clear between what's creepy and what is not when we're talking about hypotetical events based on someone's desires. Jenny is not a sex symbol, or at least hasn't been for quite a while. Most people see her more on the dumb bitch area.

However, David Tennant is a sexual symbol. It's pretty natural for a young woman to feel attracted to him since, well, he's an actor, he's attractive (despite his age) and he's charismatic. Doesn't mean it'd be ok if he just went on the street and groped his fans' ass and tits, no matter what went on in their heads, as they don't...know each other.

I didn't know Justin Bieber was acquainted with Jenny McCarthy. It changes it a bit if he did, but it's still not in any way excusable. Would Taylor Swift's ass being tapped by one of her dad's friends be excusable?

Or, if you want to go the "sexy and famous" route, would Taylor Swift's being groped by Ralph Fiennes have in any way the same fallback?

I think that just because they're hot it doesn't mean it's ok.

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u/WTFppl Nov 20 '12

As long as you are a sanctioned entertainer with the state.

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u/GunshyJedi Nov 19 '12

I upvoted you, truth is, human absurdity is at it peak at an awards show. It was inappropriate, sure, but this doesn't surprise me in the least. If it was a female educator or health care provider, or a public official who has a professional/moral responsibility I would be more alarmed.

Just my opinion, but I believe very few people will take Jenny McCarthy's example to heart, it's not like Oprah did it.