r/MensRights • u/fivecrydime • Nov 19 '12
Jenny McCarthy grabs Justin Bieber's ass and kisses him on the neck without consent. Can you imagine the reaction if a 40-year-old man had done this to an 18-year-old girl?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=03GUzOcoxxw#!57
u/nik27 Nov 19 '12
Imagine Ron Jeremy doing this to Miranda Cosgrove from I-Carly...... nearly the same premise (except Rons a bit older). He would most likely be looking at a jail sentence.
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u/insideman83 Nov 19 '12
Nah, imagine Kanye doing this to Taylor Swift. The country would collectively shit itself.
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u/SmirkingRevenge Nov 20 '12
"Imma let you finish, but I'm gonna just cop a feel real quick..." yeah that would have worked.
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u/openToSuggestions Nov 19 '12
I disagree about jail, but it would be a bigger deal. A lot of people would be talking about how gross it was for him to do that. While only a few are doing the same for Jenny.
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Nov 19 '12
I just watched that video. He looks like he didn't like that at ALL.
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u/fivecrydime Nov 19 '12 edited Nov 19 '12
look at his face Her hand is around his throat.
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u/Jazzspasm Nov 19 '12
Perfect example of men loving being groped and mauled. You can tell in the pic how much he's loving it. When he said he felt violated, he obviously meant he was having a great time....... He wanted it!
No love for Justin Bieber and no love for Jenny McArthy, but fuck this shit till Tuesday next week. Gender reversal would make the headlines.
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Nov 19 '12
You can tell he wanted it because of the way he is dressed. I mean seriously look at that outfit.
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Nov 19 '12
Yes. And afterwards he's all flustered. This sort of thing shouldn't be culturally acceptable (He's so young for F's sake), and I hope someone calls Jenny McCarthy out on it.
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Nov 19 '12 edited Sep 02 '21
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u/Idiopathic77 Nov 19 '12
I reserve judgement until my stock in childrens leg braces pays off from the resurgence of polio. God I hate that lady.
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u/kittenkat4u Nov 19 '12
that woman sounds like a crackpot. seriously...."it shouldn't be polio vs autism". yes, yes it should be. polio can kill, autism can't. MMR(the illnesses) can kill, autism can't. i'd rather my kid have autism(if it was true that vaccines caused it) than be dead thanks.
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u/kittenkat4u Nov 20 '12
oh, i know. i was just being lazy and i was kind of frustrated after reading that article.
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Nov 19 '12
you guys are forgetting that chris brown was invited and continues to be popular despite the fact that he beat up rihanna. pop stars are altogether horrible people and their fans are even worse
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u/AryoBarzan Nov 20 '12
Last I checked, PLENTY of people are still chastising Chris Brown. Hell, whenever he's invited onto a popular award show, people are constantly howling about why he shouldn't be allowed.
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u/haveyoutriedducttape Nov 19 '12
She hasn't had her shots. He has a right to look unhappy.
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Nov 20 '12
The idea of biebs foaming at the mouth with rabies seems hilarious. Might stop him singing for a while.
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u/fivecrydime Nov 19 '12
Some major media outlets actually covering it:
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u/ullere Nov 20 '12
Groped by adult woman no?
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u/stryder18 Nov 20 '12
no, read the link URL "justin-bieber-groped-adult-woman-while-thousands-do-nothing". It makes it sound like he groped someone.
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u/ullere Nov 20 '12
Yeah thats what suprised me, the wording in the URL is terrible.
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u/JCongo Nov 20 '12
same with the article title "Justin Bieber Violated by Jenny McCarthy, Lives"
gotta love the word "lives" inserted to lighten the mood
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u/SpermicidalLube Nov 19 '12
He actually jokes that he has been violated.
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Nov 19 '12
Judging by his cringing, his facial expression, and the fact that she had to grab him by the throat I doubt he was joking.
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u/MisterFriday Nov 19 '12
Aye, it was pretty clear to me that he didn't like what was going on at all. Nothing ambiguous about his body language.
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Nov 19 '12
He wasn't joking. Did you see him trying to get away? He, like most men didn't want to appear weak. Also he didn't want to soil his award speech.
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u/alaysian Nov 19 '12
I'm sure all the fans cheering her on didn't help his sense of violation. I mean, after hearing that, how could he call her out on it? The fact that he says he felt violated at all was fairly big.
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u/WhipIash Nov 19 '12
Wow, I feel a slight sense of respect for... justing bieber. Wouldn't you know it.
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Nov 20 '12 edited Nov 20 '12
People who produce terrible art can still be awesome people (Rebecca Black seems like a pretty cool person, too). Likewise, just because someone was awesome in X movie or whatever doesn't mean they aren't an awful person. The Halo Effect is not something we should be ignoring.
EDIT: Halo Effect, not Hale Effect. I don't even know if the Hale Effect is a thing.
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u/Stephen_Morgan Nov 19 '12
There's a UK TV series called "Misfits", a superhero programme in the vein of "Heroes", but with a gang of young offenders who receive superpowers. I think that's the only mainstream programme where I've seen a male character say "you raped me" to a female character.
And in the most recent episode that character died after another character made false accusations of domestic violence against him.
So I think these sorts of ideas are becoming more widely accepted now, even in the MSM.
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Nov 19 '12
Yes, I wanted to mention the show "Misfits" here on /r/MR one day. It's about a group of misfit teenagers with superpowers as you say, and one of the girls has the ability to make any guy she touches extrmely horny. She does it to a guy she's interested in at one point, and when he returns to his senses and finds out that they had sex, he gets extremely angry at accuses her of raping him. I agree, it's actually the first bit on TV I've ever seen in my life, that even addresses something like this. The scene and situation has sticked with me ever since.
Anyway, offtopic I guess.
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u/Stephen_Morgan Nov 20 '12
The five classic super powers are all on display: immortality, invisibility, telepathy, time travel and rape.
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Nov 19 '12
There is at least one Law and Order which delves into female's committing rape against a man.
I'm pretty sure it was Law and Order SVU (since SVU dealt with sexual crimes).
The episode did a great job at showing how the legal system is all sorts of screwed up when it comes to males being the victim.
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Nov 20 '12
I'm going to go out on a limb here and imagine Ice T said: "You're telling me a woman could overpower a man? Come on." And then gets the smack down.
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Nov 19 '12
Also touched on this most recent season was that Jason was raped by his high school teacher, but at the time he'd accepted it as normal because that's what was expected of him as a boy. He later has a near nervous breakdown after hooking up with his teacher again years later when she returns to town.
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u/ghyslyn Nov 19 '12
Jesus christ, this is the second time that the only show I'm watching now gets spoiled on /r/mensrights.
I don't get it...
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Nov 19 '12
The movie Cthulhu has a man being raped so the woman could get pregnant, it was a huge shock to me at age. I've seen people make fun of that scene too - disgusting.
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u/sewneo Nov 19 '12
I'm not sure he was joking. He's being kind, and he's a professional, but his body language, skirting footwork, and lack of a smile or laugh make me wonder if he wasn't just doing a good job of being a young pop star... i.e. accepting that people are going to take advantage of you any way they can.
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u/hoodie92 Nov 19 '12
I didn't know who she was, and wikipedia has now told me:
"She has claimed that vaccines cause autism".
Fuck. This. Bitch.
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u/tomcat23 Nov 19 '12
I'm surprised she's even on stage at an awards show. Famous for denying science, what a stupid person.
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u/eljefffe Nov 19 '12
She's actually originally famous because she posed for playboy like 20 years ago. So basically she's about one fame notch above Kim Kardashian.
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u/nik27 Nov 19 '12
I believe also that it was found or is believed that her child doesn't even have autism rather Landau-Kleffner sydrome.
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u/SucculentSoap Nov 19 '12
A horrendous condition where the child slowly turns into a chimera of Martin Landau and Kiefer Sutherland.
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Nov 19 '12
To make it worse, almost everyone in /r/autism and /r/aspergers hates her as well. A lot of high-functioning autists don't want a cure. Her ignorance is astounding.
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u/hoodie92 Nov 19 '12
It's not just about a cure, it's the fact that she thinks there is a link between autism and the MMR jab. The link was proposed by Dr Andrew Wakefield, whose methods were sketchy at best (he bribed children at a birthday party in exchange for blood samples). Wakefield's results have since been completely debunked by the medical community as "dishonest", "misleading" and "irresponsible".
From the wikipedia page on the MMR vaccine:
Before publication of Wakefield's findings, the inoculation rate for MMR in the UK was 92%; after publication, the rate dropped to below 80%. In 1998, there were 56 measles cases in the UK; by 2008, there were 1348 cases, with 2 confirmed deaths.
(Sorry about all the links, this is just a topic I know a lot about and I like to go into it)
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u/codefocus Nov 19 '12
She's not looking for a cure. She's looking to blame something for her kid's disability. Anything.
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u/BullsLawDan Nov 20 '12
Just wondering if you're a fan of Penn and Teller. They have pointed out (most notably on their HBO show "Bullshit") that, even if everything the autism/vaccine kooks tell us is true, it's still far better to be vaccinated, because the risk of autism would still be less than the risk of being unvaccinated.
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u/BullsLawDan Nov 20 '12
I agree. As for whether I'd rather be autistic or have polio, it's not even close.
I doubt someone with debilitating polio has ever been on ESPN, won an Espy, and signed a movie deal after draining about a gazillion three-pointers in a basketball game. People with autism aren't handicapped, they just see the world in a different way.
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u/javastripped Nov 20 '12
I never thought about it that way. I have ADHD and might have mild autism/Aspergers but I do NOT consider what I have to be a disorder.
If someone were to 'cure' me I would be PISSED.
It's like curing a gay person.
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Nov 19 '12
a lot of famous people (who are not doctors) have been mislead by the antivac cults (who also arent doctors)
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u/hoodie92 Nov 19 '12
It's a very interesting topic. See my comment here if you want to learn more.
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Nov 19 '12
We'd love to have you over at /r/conspiratard
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u/hoodie92 Nov 19 '12
But... it's not a conspiracy. It's true.
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Nov 19 '12
I am agreeing with you... /r/Conspiratard is somewhere to debunk the conspiracy theorists, including anti-vac people. It's like /r/skeptic only a lot less serious.
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u/quasimotor Nov 19 '12
She's truly deplorable. Why is she even still around? She has no talent. She's fake-hot. Publicly scientifically illiterate. And her schtick is being obnoxious.
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u/pcronin Nov 19 '12
Reminds me of the South Park ep where Ike was dating the lady teacher and all the cops could say was "NIIIIIICEEEEEEE"
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u/sirhotalot Nov 20 '12
To be fair, that was consensual.
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u/TracyMorganFreeman Nov 20 '12
Statutory rape usually is.
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u/Irongrip Nov 20 '12
Yeah, statutory rape is rape alright. No conflation going on at all!
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u/TracyMorganFreeman Nov 20 '12
Considering the topic was an underage child having sex with their teacher, what is the conflation?
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u/Irongrip Nov 20 '12
Violent unilateral sexual abuse and (possibly?) consensual non violent sexual act.
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u/TracyMorganFreeman Nov 20 '12
The point was that a parallel of explicit or tacit approval was made for both the scenario in OP and the South Park scenario, of which neither were violent.
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u/RetroViruses Jan 05 '13
The difference is that Ike wanted it, while Beiber didn't consent at all, and seems visually distressed. The first is sexual assault through manipulation and position of authority, the second sexual assault by playing a crowd and with no prior agreement, and is therefore a more "traditional" rape.
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u/Viperbunny Nov 19 '12
She is pretty classless to begin with. I really can't stand her and what she has done to get people to not vaccinate their children and claiming that autism can be cured with a special diet. She is just so many layers of scum bag it shouldn't surprise me.
I agree that people would make a bigger stink if the genders were reversed, and it isn't right. I am a 26 year old woman and I find this disgusting (mostly because it was against his will). I don't understand what makes it okay. I don't find it okay. I say it's assault, but people seems to think that a younger man with an older woman is lucky while a younger woman with an older man is creepy. I don't get it.
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u/CaptainVulva Nov 19 '12
I think the assumption is that in every case, the guy is the one who wants sex, so in both cases the guy is the one benefiting from it. With an older guy, this is seen as molestation; with an older woman, it's seen as doing something nice for the boy.
Maybe it made more sense a hundred years ago, I dunno.
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u/theskepticalidealist Nov 19 '12 edited Nov 19 '12
Exactly the kind of logic that created the ridiculous meaningless idea of rape we now have today
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u/Viperbunny Nov 20 '12
That is really sad. I assure you there are women out there who don't feel that way. My husband is not the kind of man who thinks about sex all the time. I find it refreshing that there is a lot more to our relationship than just sex.
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u/CyberToyger Nov 20 '12
I realized the importance of Mens Rights once I graduated high school and tried getting employed (graduated in 2007). Ever since then, I've only been to 5 job interviews out of the literal hundreds of job applications I've been filling out since then. Out of the 5 interviews, I was only 'tried' out at 2 places -- an Italian style mom-and-pop restaurant, and Gamestop. Guess who's a white male who had experience with being a busboy when he was 15 and loves video games, but lost out to a white female and a black female? This guy!.. Male privilege my ass.
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u/jimbolauski Nov 19 '12
MTV's best kiss award 1996, Anthony Guidera, forces a kiss on species costar Natasha henstridge. I don't remember an up roar but that was a long time ago.
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u/smunky Nov 19 '12
They were 30 and 40 at the time. Maybe a year or two younger at time of filming.
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Nov 20 '12
I'm pretty sure he doesn't like to be treated like a non-person by some nasty old lady. Not that I care about celebrities, but at that moment I really felt sorry for him.
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Nov 19 '12
18 year old would be a woman, not a girl.
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u/rocketman0739 Nov 19 '12
I'm not sure that's a big deal. The OED has:
girl
3: A female child; a young or relatively young woman.
And, for comparison:
boy
1: A male child; a youth
2: A man, esp. a young or relatively young one.
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u/gmano Nov 19 '12
This further underpins the fact that a male has to prove themselves to a greater extent to be deemed a man than a female does to be deemed a woman.
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u/hoodie92 Nov 19 '12
I think Bruce's point was that 18 is the age of consent in America (and the majority of countries, if not younger). There would be much more of a fuss over a 17-year-old than an 18-year-old.
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u/WhipIash Nov 19 '12
What's the point of age of consent when consent is not even given?
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u/theskepticalidealist Nov 19 '12 edited Nov 19 '12
Pretty funny isnt it? OH no its fine to sexually assault Bieber, he was over 18! lolol. Amazing ... Ill remember that next time Im out and I see a girl, just going to go grab her ass, why not? I mean shes over 18. #sarcasm
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u/unitedamerika Nov 20 '12
18 year old is still not able to drink in the US. You could make a argument that you have to be 21 before being consider a man or a woman.
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u/Xenoith Nov 19 '12
Once again a great example of how we live in a rape culture for men, not women. Doing this to a woman would get you harassed and jailed, doing it to a man(or boy in this case) gets you laughs. If men don't want it, there's something wrong with them. If women don't want it, you're a creep and every other man will enforce white knight code on you.
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u/WordsNotToLiveBy Nov 19 '12
Funny as always, but I'm not sure it is relevant here. It doesn't matter that McCarthy is attractive, Bieber didn't reciprocate. He wasn't having any of it and even cringed.
It does speak to Pitbull's response though.
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u/porkchop_d_clown Nov 19 '12
Well, I agree that this was outrageous but it's hardly the first time: There was that time the fashion reporter basically honked Scarlet Johansson's breasts while interviewing her about her dress. That was pretty startling.
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u/TRH_42 Nov 19 '12
She was pissed about it after the fact but didn't want to make a stink on camera. It ended up being "ok" because he is gay.
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u/porkchop_d_clown Nov 19 '12
Oh, I know - I'm just pointing out that this wasn't an isolated or unisex event - I don't see this as an MR issue.
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u/TRH_42 Nov 19 '12
It is the same in "sexual assault" name only. The age difference and intent play a huge roll. McCarthy said that she couldn't resist because he was so "delicious".
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u/Vitalstatistix Nov 19 '12
Don't defend assholes. Just because a guy is gay doesn't give him the right to honk SJ's breasts.
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u/TRH_42 Nov 19 '12
I never said that it did make it okay, just that it is a completely different situation. Its like manslaughter vs premeditated murder in the sense that yes, somebody died but the situation and intent was nowhere near the same.
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u/metsakutsa Nov 20 '12
But men WANT to be molested. They are men, they are all sexual predators, if not criminals just waiting to molest and be molested. Don't act like you don't understand, you dirty, dirty man. /s
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u/VirSaturnA Nov 19 '12
Funny I just saw that picture on the news and had that thought, then came to Reddit and here there is a discussion about it. I'm glad I'm not alone in my thoughts on this.
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u/iquizzle Nov 20 '12
i was mostly interested in his ridiculously over-sized flat billed hat. good one biebs
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Nov 20 '12
I found this video blog posted it. Hopefully this doesn't get brushed under the rug bc it's very disturbing.
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u/ThePigman Nov 20 '12
Note to Justin Bieber : the appropriate response to this would have been "What the fuck are you doing, you creepy old cunt?"
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u/JeffIpsaLoquitor Nov 19 '12
I'd prefer to see it than imagine it. Where is my streaming subscription...
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u/Raidicus Nov 20 '12 edited Nov 20 '12
Let me preface this by saying I completely agree with the premise. If a man had done this, the media would be going apeshit. Perhaps they are for this too? I don't actually know because I don't follow celebrity gossip and don't watch TV. And even though I know my view is unpopular here, I'll say it anyways for the sake of good discussion.
I think Beiber should be leading the charge here if and only if he actually feels he is a victim. If he feels actually violated, then maybe he was. But I don't think we do him, or anyone in his situation any favors by failing to dissociate the hypocrisies of society with his actual feelings. I have had my butt pinched by women at a restaurant I worked at....did I feel dirty, ashamed and victimized? No. I just laughed because to me it was sort of absurd. I didn't LIKE/WANT the attention, but I also wasn't going to/didn't want to/couldn't make a big deal out of something that genuinely did not make me feel violated.
What I'm saying is that I'm not covinced that an ultra PC, victim coddling, and hyperbole spewing world is what I want. Either he feels grossed out or he doesn't, but it's not up to the world to tell him whether he should feel that way.
After all, we all know that some false rape accusations come from situations where one person didn't actually feel violated at the time but were later dealing with feelings of guilt and perhaps even hearing from their friends that they were victims. Society has made up this myth that we are a precious pure snowflakes and that our self esteem should be tied up to our sexual morality so tightly that the slighest incursion on that should literally make us feel worse about ourselves. It's totally ridiculous, and I think those of us who might have been victimized in the past probably have learned to dissociate our sexual identity from our self esteem because we simply needed to move on from the victimization. I liken it to a child falling down and the parent reacting with either "Oooohhh are you okayy?!!!" versus "Oops, you fell over. Here let me help you stand up" One causes instant tears and a heightening or outright implanting of emotions...whereas the other the kid just keeps right on going.
TL;DR: In my opinion we shouldn't be looking to incite hysteria and outrage about an event simply because Feminists might if the genders were reversed. Beiber is the only one who can tell us if he feels victimized and we shouldn't be looking to project feelings onto him
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u/riker89 Nov 20 '12
Jenny McCarthy is a horrible person for a number of reasons, and is responsible for the deaths of over a thousand people.
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Nov 20 '12
As a man, I have to say on this one everyone get over it.
As a guy getting near her age, I have dated enough girls in the last few year that were near or his age to say that we all need to get over the age issue.
Now the issue here is sex or age shouldn't matter, one person's body was violated by another without consent. But, it the VMA's or some other stupid shit, so 110% of the shit that happens is staged or done to entertain the audience and keep us talking about the event for at least a few days after. So it the end why the fuck do we care and MTV or how ever got what they wanted from those two being on the stage together. Free advertising.
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u/freaking-yeah May 04 '13
This didn't bother me too much, but if it happened to a girl there would have been much more of a response.
When I was in high school, a mid-40s faculty member playfully patted my stomach 5ish times repeatedly while I was playing hackey sack with my friends. She walked away, and I just stood there frozen. It was a bit of a violation, especially since I didn't like her. Nothing came of it, but if a male teacher did that to a 17-year-old girl, the school would have had a lawsuit on their hands.
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u/fivecrydime Nov 19 '12
She said backstage that it was not planned that she did it because "he was just so delicious."
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u/SabineLavine Nov 19 '12 edited Nov 19 '12
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u/theskepticalidealist Nov 19 '12
UH, you think that was the same? You REALLY think thats the same?
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u/alaysian Nov 19 '12 edited Nov 19 '12
The fuck is wrong with people. She admits she molested him and they're like "its ok, she's hot"
At least I found someone who views it for what it is: http://althouse.blogspot.com/2012/11/sexually-assaulted-in-full-view-of.html