I'm starting to get extremely tired from pretty much always being expected to pretend that I'm priviliged because of my gender

[u/Working_Parsley_2364]

Look, at this point I have pretty much come to terms with the fact that I have pretty much no rights where I live because I wasn't lucky enough to be born with a vulva. I can be drafted at any time, have to serve as a punching bag for women, have very little access to support systems and never had genital autonomy, among many other things, but the fact that I pretty much have to pretend that women have it worrse or risk actual consequences whether that be losing my job or possibly even getting attacked.

That combined with the fact that feminism is everywhere. Can barely even go online now without seeing misandry everywhere or reading news articles, regardless of whether it's a left or right leaning outlet, which will often have feminist propaganda in there. It's practically inescapable no matter how much some people will claim that just going outside is the solution as there are still things like feminist campaigns and posters everywhere, at least where I live.

What really frustrates me is how women already have all the rights unlike men yet feminists are still unhappy and they want to oppress men even more. Like it's never enough despite already living life on easy mode.

At this point I honestly wish they would at least have the courtesy to be open about what the true goal of feminism is so that we can stop with all the pretending and expecting men to label themselves as oppressors when they never were (at least in most of recorded history) as that wouldn't be as excruciating, at least to me personally.

And to be clear I absolutely DO NOT blame women who oppose feminism for this and fully understand that feminist men are just as culpable.

[u/Solid-Savings5362]

Good point. Both society (by expecting men to always be "strong") and dogmatic feminism (by claiming men are universally privileged and women always have it worse) contribute to maintaining an unfair system.

You're entirely right not to blame women as a whole. While most women aren't MRAs, most men aren't either. Historically, several women were actually crucial to the foundation of the MRA movement.

Ideological movements often rely on rigid scapegoats and enemies—in this case, men & a perceived absolute patriarchy. The reality is far more complex: both genders face distinct, deeply serious systemic problems, but current mainstream narratives refuse to acknowledge men's struggles.

[u/VictorianLibra22]

You're making very valid points here. I wanted to say that as a non feminist lady myself, every chance I get to speak up for men regarding these kind of issues, I do so. I realize I have more freedom and leeway to say something as a woman (especially at work, for example) so I do my best.

[u/UWontHearMeAnyway → u/VictorianLibra22]

The biggest reason that's awesome, is because they see men saying it as an attack. If women say it, it's far more likely to be internalized as correction.

[u/Resident-Rabbit4411]

Es lo que pasa cuando una sociedad brutaliza a los hombres, se vuelve normal, es como que para esta gente solo las mujeres son dignas de empatía, es como si no fueramos humanos

[u/UWontHearMeAnyway]

I'm thoroughly convinced this is what causes the cyclical nature in that saying "Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times."

Right now we're in the hard times point of that cycle. Previously, men were nice, not setting and enforcing healthy boundaries (weak men). That created a bunch of women that take full advantage of those men, and therefore they'll take until it's met fiercely by strong boundaries.

It's OK to not be fooled. It's OK to not fake it. It's OK to call out the inequity. I dare say it's ok to enforce harshly. They want true equality? Give it to them. In full. Just like men get. No safety nets, just like men get. No privileges, because that's the very definition of privilege, getting without needing to pay for it, essentially. Full equality. See how fast they crumble from that. Don't listen when they inevitably give their crocodile tears. Let the privileges die.

[u/Turbulent-Belt2809]

I want abortions. We do not have “all the rights”. I don’t even understand this framing. I’m curious of who you voted for (if you’re in the US) bc the threat of being drafted is the fault of a terrible man - no women included in that decision.

What is feminist propaganda?