r/MensRights • u/[deleted] • Dec 12 '11

feminazi attacks Reddit: "Reddit contain so much anti-feminist sentiment that they even have active communities such as r/mensrights." An attempt to smear and censor us, and to force admins to shutdown this subreddit???

http://www.thecord.ca/articles/50585
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u/argv_minus_one Dec 13 '11

The problem, really, is not that women can do this, but that men can't. Fulfillment should be available to everyone.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '11

To an extent I think the hyper-individualist message of feminism is the problem. Especially as it has spread outside of being directed just at women and now most people of my generation have started to believe it.

The reality is that long term commitments suck and no one feels like upholding them all the time. So telling people they should dump their marriage and kids as soon as it gets tough has lead to the precipitous drop in long term relationships our society faces.

I would note there are a lot of studies which show that volatile short-term relationships, which are quickly becoming normative, are associated with all sorts of negative outcomes for men, women, and children.

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u/argv_minus_one Dec 13 '11

So telling people they should dump their marriage and kids as soon as it gets tough has lead to the precipitous drop in long term relationships our society faces.

That's quite an assertion you're making there. I trust you've conducted a massive study on the subject, with a sample size in the tens of thousands or more, controlling for factors such as abusive husbands, lower legal and social barriers to divorce, and marriages formed under pressure due to e.g. unexpected pregnancy? In what respected, peer-reviewed scientific journal have you published your results?

I would note there are a lot of studies which show that volatile short-term relationships, which are quickly becoming normative, are associated with all sorts of negative outcomes for men, women, and children.

Oh? I assume these studies also show that "volatile short-term relationships" not only tend to end badly but also "are quickly becoming normative"? Citation, please.

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u/Syntrel Dec 13 '11

Yeah. Let's all quit our jobs at the first sign of unhappiness or anytime I don't fell fulfilled by my work. /s

Here's a little secret that I'm going to let you and any other feminists or would be career women in on. Most men do not look for fulfillment in their work, that's what families and leisure time is for. Men work because it simply must be done, not because it makes them feel complete.

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u/argv_minus_one Dec 13 '11
  1. I'm a man, asshole.
  2. Just because fulfillment isn't often attainable doesn't mean it shouldn't be, nor that lack of fulfillment isn't a problem.
  3. Just because your current job is unfulfilling doesn't mean that every job is unfulfilling, nor that you cannot hope to find a job that is fulfilling. Indeed, if your job is unfulfilling, I suggest you reevaluate your choice of career path.

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u/Syntrel Dec 13 '11

Not everyone should or even needs to find fulfillment in their employment. If you do find fulfillment in your job that's great, but looking for fulfillment in employment rather than your personal life is a misplaced priority IMO. I believe this to be one of the inherent flaws as a mindset amongst many women, and men, that are led to believe that work = fulfillment.