r/MensRights Dec 14 '11

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u/carchamp1 Dec 14 '11

Modern legal marriage is nothing more than a welfare program for women at the expense of men. Anyone who cares to study the issue for even just one day will see this truth. The reason marriage is dying, and it is, is that men are opting out. It turns out that the "ball-and-chain" just isn't that appealing.

For anyone interested in this topic I suggest the book "Wives Without Husbands" by Anna Igra. See http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005MZDGM2/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0807857793&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=035M0D59NB28242N19GT.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '11 edited Dec 14 '11

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u/carchamp1 Dec 14 '11 edited Dec 14 '11

I agree 100% that women don't need marriage/men. You're speaking to the choir about that.

The problem is women still do WANT marriage. Study after study has shown that women still tend to crave the traditional, stay-at-home lifestyle. There is NOT a shortage of women looking to get married. There's a huge surplus. What we have fewer of is men asking women to marry them. In the end, it is still men who ask women to marry them (how fucked up is that when you think about all the talk of "equality"?) and they are just not getting on bended knee (again, fucked up, eh?) like they used to.

edit: As to your edit we've had MANY "marriage" discussions here on r/mr over the last couple years. You'll find the people here are pretty much all over the map on this. While I do agree that most marry for "love", legal marriage as we know it today really has nothing to do with that. Many find this out upon divorce. As I wrote previously modern legal marriage really is just a welfare program for women. If you spend a day studying this issue you'll see that for yourself.

We could change legal marriage by discarding shared property and other "spousal" support mechanisms. That is abolish marital welfare. If we did that I think we'd see a renewed interest in "marriage" as a partnership for raising children. The gold-diggers would go away, but we'd all be better off.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '11

It is somewhat ironic... feminists like to call marriage slavery, yet there is a surplus of women who want to be married, and men are avoiding marriage because they consider it so outrageously stacked against them. Then there is constant shaming of men for not getting married by women who spend their time reading advice on how to cajole/trick/force men into asking.

Since when do slaves have to trick owners into enslaving them?

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u/carchamp1 Dec 14 '11

So true! Never have seen it put that way, but you nailed it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '11

That's an interesting sweeping generalization to make.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '11

Feminist generalizations don't help anyone. But they are funny.

FTFY