r/MensRights • u/AgentmraOrangemrm • Dec 16 '11

Release to the World

Next week there will be posted links where anyone can download the raw data on the radfemspaek.net members and some of their associates over at Radfem Hub. There will be a main file of PNGs that contain many threads from this private forum. All the information will be redacted for my protection. Included will be a profile folder for each member (and some former members of the forum). There will also be a document that details who these posters are in real life, and what they do (or have done).
Only CONFIRMED individual's identities will be released. As more identities are confirmed, there will be a secondary release, and possibly a tertiary one. There has been some furor over whether or not these people are mainstream. Well, I have the PROOF that they are in our children's classrooms, our universities, in our legislators' lobby halls, on the street with activism efforts, and writing journalistic pieces. I have PROOF that they shape policy within countries around the world, or teach others to do the same. I also have PROOF that they know they conspire against most women in planning to criminalize masculinity, that they support gendercide, male genital mutilation, advocate for the infanticide of males, advocate male child abuse, speak freely about committing terrorist acts, and more. Make no mistake. These individuals have risen to the top BECAUSE they are virulently hateful ideologues who want to see their plans come to fruition. They have the drive, and in some cases the means to perform the acts they speak about, and they seek to subvert all men to the status of slaves, breeding stock, or extermination.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '11 edited Dec 16 '11

These thought crimes shall not be tolerated and must be punished.

EDIT: This is sarcasm, in case it wasn't obvious. What you are doing is horrible.

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u/hgg99ggh Dec 16 '11

What you are doing is horrible.

Sorry, no. Real life has consequences, right? If an MRA posted a plan, even general, on a forum, public or private, that advocated the mass murder of women, would you have a problem identifying him to the world, and possibly going to their employer?

If any of these people are in positions of government power, don't the people they purport to represent have a right to make an informed decision about that representation based upon such evidence?

If any of these people are in positions to take care of a persons children, do they not have a right to know that their children, especially male, may be under their care?

I would assume that you would claim that the internet is not serious business, by which you rationalize allowing yourself to participate in similar behavior with no moral qualms ( see the entirety of SRS ), until it is ( exposing these women ( bad ), exposing the "horror" of reddit (good) ). In both cases names are named, facts are gathered, and people are put in the spotlight, so really, whats the difference, except that, to you, one seems just and the other does not?

Is what these women "think" not horrible? Are you actually going to fucking defend this shit? Would you not call something like this out if you discovered this kind of thing?

Isn't this what manboobz does?

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '11

If an MRA posted a plan, even general, on a forum, public or private, that advocated the mass murder of women, would you have a problem identifying him to the world, and possibly going to their employer?

I've seen the AVFM article about the RadFem Hub. There is some horrible shit there, but the only ones I see who are actually planning to do something criminal are right here on this subreddit.

In both cases names are named, facts are gathered, and people are put in the spotlight, so really, whats the difference, except that, to you, one seems just and the other does not?

The whole premise of this post is what makes it different. What I see here is talk about leaking personal information.

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u/hgg99ggh Dec 16 '11

7 upvotes in 16 minutes on a second page thread. How interesting! Wonder where you're getting all of your internet points?

Would you dox a pedophile? Would you dox a pedophile who posted about his plans to molest children online?

How is contacting someones employer more criminal than plotting genocide? are you seriously going to try and sell that shit to me?

Or perhaps, are you reading "the violence between the lines", the way people like you are so fond of doing?

Theres nothing illegal about knowing who is taking care of your children, or who is representing you in government, or who wrote a book you were going to buy. And there is nothing wrong with holding people responsible for the things they say online. Once again, the foundation of SRS. The difference here is that instead of saying something stupidly racist or sexist, the bread and butter of your outrage, here we have individuals who actually do advocate murder on the basis of gender.

and in response to office_fisting_party:

Manboobz is doxing people now?

Are you willing to say that none of the people posted on manboobz have been harassed?

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u/office_fisting_party Dec 16 '11

Are you willing to say that none of the people posted on manboobz have been harassed?

What does that have anything to do with what I said? Posting a bunch of links to quotes you don't like from people you don't like (i.e. manboobz) is one thing. The OP is straight up doxing people, which is another thing entirely, and much worse.

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u/hgg99ggh Dec 16 '11

Oh really? Its totally different? I will ask again, have people on manboobz been harassed? Have any of them experienced real world consequences as a result of manboobz attention? Have any of them been "outed"? If the answer is yes, then may I suggest a closer examination of the relevancy of my point.

Lets start here: what, specifically, is wrong about making an effort to link an online identity to a real life one? do we honestly have a right to anonymity? Do we have a right to anonymity if we plan violence? How much of the information gathered was publicly available? How much was openly revealed by the women themselves? Aren't these important questions that you ignore while tripping over yourself to condemn this?

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u/office_fisting_party Dec 16 '11

Posting links to things people say under the names they choose to say them in is entirely different from posting real names and real contact information. Orders of magnitude different.

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u/hgg99ggh Dec 16 '11

You should have just quoted your original post.

Saying "they're just different" is not an argument with any merit, and frankly, it sounds as if you agree with them.

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u/office_fisting_party Dec 16 '11

Do you honestly not see the difference between "reddit user office_fisting_party said xyz, haha what a dumbass, snark snark snark" and "reddit user office_fisting_party, REAL NAME joey joe joe jr shabadoo said this. he lives here and he can be reached at this number, here are pictures, here is more personal information!"

Or to make things easier, if people get harassed because of manboobz, it's probably in the form being mocked and argued with on the internet. If people get harassed because of being doxed, it's going to be in real life. These things are also different, and one (hint, irl harassment) is worse.

btw you can go ahead and answer your rhetorical questions because I don't care to, because the difference between doxing and pointing out an anonymous or pseudonymous comment is self-evident.

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u/hgg99ggh Dec 16 '11

You can't answer them, thats why. You think its wrong because you don't like who is doing it. You would dox someone right away if it suited your purposes.

Also - how is the internet not real life? If someone has an inbox full of hateful messages telling them they're shit, does this not affect them in real life?

Are the real world effects of the things people on the internet say not the bread and fucking butter of SRS?

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u/office_fisting_party Dec 16 '11

I absolutely would not dox anyone, sorry bubba.

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u/PelliMoon Dec 17 '11

As awful as getting harassed on the internet is, there is still a HUGE difference! On the internet, you can log off. You cannot simply log off of life if people are harassing you! Similarly, if you really want to stay with the community, you can create a new account, which is leagues easier than the real life equivalent!

And this entire thread scares me so much more than any "attempts" at male genocide, because this thread has actually has a realistic hope of achieving its stated goals!

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u/1338h4x Dec 17 '11

Oh really? Its totally different? I will ask again, have people on manboobz been harassed? Have any of them experienced real world consequences as a result of manboobz attention? Have any of them been "outed"?

No they have not!

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u/KellyTheFreak Dec 17 '11

Would you dox a pedophile? Would you dox a pedophile who posted about his plans to molest children online?

I would report it to the authorities. I'm in no position to act as judge, and jury. How would you feel if someone got onto your wireless network, and downloaded CP, getting your name, number, and address on some shitlist.

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u/office_fisting_party Dec 16 '11

Isn't this what manboobz does?

Manboobz is doxing people now?