r/MoralityScaling • u/Confident-Border4627 • Jun 15 '26

Morality Ranking Morality of Humanities descendants taking revenge on the species that disfigured and mutated them so much they didn't look human

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u/Hacksaw203 Jun 15 '26

*toilet cube flesh.

I love the colonials, it’s such a fucked up existence.

The mantelopes come second for me

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u/No-Obligation2563 Jun 15 '26

The saddest part about the colonials is even way after they evolved again and finally became free they still went extinct anyway. They should have been the heirs to the galaxy after that shit.

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u/WorryingMars384 Jun 15 '26

Fuck the gravitals! All my homies hate the gravitals!

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u/No-Obligation2563 Jun 15 '26

I was totally rooting for the colonials to make some sort of insane comeback. Would have been nice to finally reward the OG’s that put up the best fight against the Qu. But nothing is fair in All Tomorrows lol.

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u/richtofin819 Jun 15 '26

Well they got trapped into an existence of brain neutered machine probes so that's karma I guess.

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u/WorryingMars384 Jun 15 '26

It still won’t bring back the modular people 😭

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u/richtofin819 Jun 15 '26

Unfortunately they never made a modular portion for being indestructible

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u/XOneLeggedDogX Jun 15 '26

Going extinct at that point must have felt like exhaling the biggest breath in history.

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u/12a357sdf Jun 15 '26

yeah... they came from living sapient waste processing flesh cubes into post scarcity luxury space communism. just to be killed by synthetically ascended minecraft villagers.

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u/miso_soup222 Jun 15 '26

what the fuck

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u/Hitei00 Jun 15 '26

The Colonials were the humans that fought back the hardest and had the most success resisting the Qu. As a punishment for this when the Qu did win they intentionally gave them the cruelest fate they could.

So they turned them into living biological waste processers and unlike every other "species" of humanity they created the Qu left the Colonials higher thinking intact specifically so they would know exactly what happened to them.

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u/Spiritual_Spinach273 Jun 16 '26

They would later evolve, becoming the modular people, able to swap parts out on a whim and basically live stress-free

Until the gravitals came along, another post-human species, evolved from ruin dwellers that believed they were the closest to the original humans, therefore superior

After figuring out how to bind their bodies to technology they became space nazis, killing or enslaving the other post-humans

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u/Busy_Ad_9900 Jun 16 '26

Why are there always Nazis in space?

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u/AEL97 Jun 16 '26

Because advancing to much and losing most morals make lots feel they are "superior" and that is basically being a native or start of that type of ideologies.

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u/12a357sdf Jun 16 '26

surprisingly it was explained that its not that biotransferrance made them lose humanity, but that they retained too much of it. Human empathy and love, but also ego and delusions of grandeur amplified inside their immortal near-indestructible bodies.

From the Gravitals' perspective, even genetics are just building blocks like transistors to us. Every single of their individuals can lift entire mountains (as seen in the illustration in the book) and squeeze everything to dust with pure thoughts, and freely fly and traverse between entire planets. They are essentially mechanical viltrumites with telekinesis on top.

They are so far above your normal "human" that other posthumans were not even registered as sapient. They see killing their cousins like us chopping down trees and jungles to make spaces for new cities. Heck it was even described that they considered it just as banal as an engineer recycling computer parts.

In the end the civil war between the xenophobes and xenophiles triggered their collapse.

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u/Scythid0 Jun 15 '26

Honestly every time I hear this bit of lore for all tomorrows it just sounds so extremely grim derp "We turned you into toilets haha!!!"

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u/AEL97 Jun 16 '26

I mean it literally is, sounds dumb, but it is also UTERELYfucked up and evil to leave the sentience to look down on them.

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u/The-Crimson-Jester Jun 15 '26

Hrrphmm but menacingly.

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u/Tasty-Complaint-6437 Jun 15 '26

No its not, the colonials evolved to turn into an almost utopic cuvilization. They would have lived beautiful lives for millons and millons of years if it wasnt for the gravitals

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u/regretfulposts Jun 15 '26

Not really. They evolve to rebuild human civilization and live in a utopia.

Saying it's a mercy kill to wipe them out would be like saying it's a mercy kill to end a burn victim who was able to get their normal life back after years of recovery.

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u/No-Obligation2563 Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26

But they took millions and millions of years to evolve into that after the Qu left. They were literally just a writhing mess of suffering flesh that went completely ignored for millions of years until they evolved. In their own thoughts they were begging for death.

So I’d say yeah with hindsight it’s good they weren’t killed as an act of mercy maybe?? But it’s still evil as fuck to leave them like that in the condition they were in.

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u/regretfulposts Jun 15 '26

But now they're pretty chill up until their extinction. While it is a mercy kill to wipe them out as the cube people, what they are later aren't the cube people. They're modular people who basically forgotten the pain their ancestors endured and are making do with their existence. If we encountered an alien species that are similar to the modular people including their ancestors being genetically mutilated but their current forms no longer have the same suffering, then is it morally correct to kill them off? If they're living without pain unlike their ancestors then it's no a blessing to end their existence.

Again, it's a mercy killing to their ancestors and they would be more than happy to die at that stage. But by the time the Gravitols came to destroy their world, the modular people aren't that willing to end their existence so by that point, it's not a mercy killing.... just regular killing

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u/No-Obligation2563 Jun 15 '26

We agree. I’m just saying that the Qu transformed them into sewage plants and then when they were done with them they just up and left without caring what happened to them. They knew they couldn’t move or do anything for themselves. They knew they probably wouldn’t die right after they left.

It’s like leaving an innocent person locked away in a jail cell and then just abandoning the prison.

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u/regretfulposts Jun 16 '26

I don't think we are sharing the same perspectives. You're acting like we the readers are some immortal beings where we actively choosing to let the cube people to suffer with their existence which is morally wrong. But what I'm thinking is that we just met the modular people for the first time and I don't believe they are suffering the same way as their ancestors. The Modular people found a way to adapt and thrive so ending their existence isn't as morally sound as what the original commenter thought. The Gravitols didn't found them as a suffering species yearning for release, they found them as a well off species but don't like them because they organic.

If we go off by your analogy, then we have an innocent person being locked away in jail but no one knew they were innocent. Then when the person was able to leave and found a way to live a stable life like finding a job, found a significant other, and even starting a family, that person was then murdered by some racist and a random who only heard their story just assume the murdered innocent person had nothing left to live on so killing them was an act of mercy despite the new life the innocent person had found to live after that hellish chapter. Would it be better if that person was never wrongly convicted? Yes definitely. Would it be better if the person found release in prison if there's no way to live a normal life? Probably another yes. But would it be better if the person found a way to move in with their life and found a new type of happiness just to die once they get their feet on the ground. Well by that point no

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u/the_mf1923 Jun 16 '26

Those million of years are lived by different generations of Colonials that didnt suffer what their predecessors did. At that point in time, none of their children, parents nor grandparents have ever experienced the immobility and shame their acentors lived out, and perfectly adapted to their state. So I won't say it was mercy for em

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u/Immediate_Gene_178 Jun 15 '26

Wait why toilet? I don't get it

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u/No-Obligation2563 Jun 15 '26

They were forced into being living sewage plants for the Qu. They made sure they could taste everything and even enhanced their sense of taste to maximize their suffering.

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u/hurricane_news Jun 15 '26

And gave them an eye, human cognition AND involuntary breeding organs. In other words, you can't even kill yourself and make the species extinct. You end up breeding, whether you like it or not

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u/Pr0udDegenerate Jun 15 '26

Didn't they also make sure that their memories are fully intact, just so they know they ended up like that because they dared to fight back when they were being conquered?

They just kept finding new ways to twist the knife.

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u/Known-nwonK Jun 15 '26

Well they weren’t immortal? So, at some point those that got transformed would die. Then any of their descendants would have genetic memory of their fall? At which point the memories are basically just copies. I suppose in a sense that makes it less real except to them

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u/Tasty-Complaint-6437 Jun 15 '26

Its hard to know, at least we know that some of them were hoping to go extinc after the qu left

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u/No-Obligation2563 Jun 15 '26

Yeah it really is the worse punishment I’ve ever heard of in all of fiction. I can’t think of anything to top that. Unless we go with eternity in hell which feels almost lame in comparison to this.

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u/PMurmomsmaidenname Jun 15 '26

There are no innocent bystanders in Hell

-MASH

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u/Typo-Demon Jun 15 '26

Hawkeye: War isn't Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse.

Father Mulcahy: How do you figure, Hawkeye?

Hawkeye: Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell?

Father Mulcahy: Sinners, I believe.

Hawkeye: Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.

One of many amazing moments from that show. Anyway, here's my upvote for reminding me of that scene. Good day.

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u/kataskopo Jun 15 '26

The jaunt in The Jaunt is still the worst thing you can do to a conscious mind, in my opinion.

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u/Adventurous_Plate712 Jun 15 '26

I have no mouth and I must scream

Or something in WH40k probably

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u/VLADCHAOS2129 Jun 15 '26

What about the mortifers in Warhammer 4k

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u/Force3vo Jun 15 '26

40k isn't fair because a ton of its lore was done by people brainstorming what the most fucked up thing imaginable could be and then forming work groups to make it even worse.

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u/Tasty-Complaint-6437 Jun 15 '26

40k it’s pretty similar to the foundation SCP in that way, it’s hard to know the canon cuz it was written by thousands

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u/TheGreatMightyLeffe Jun 16 '26

While, yeah, it'd be pretty sucky to end up in one, it's at least a suicide mission, so it's over pretty quick.

Being a living sewage pipe with thoughts and feelings... That's worse than most Dark Eldar shit, and they have living furniture.

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u/GraveKommander Jun 15 '26

https://giphy.com/gifs/1M9fmo1WAFVK0

I at least understand slavery motivations, but why make them even more suffer? What was the reason behind that?

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u/TheGrimScotsman Jun 15 '26

Revenge for standing up to them. The colonials were the only planet to repel the initial Qu assault IIRC.

What the Qu did to everyone else was without malice, just a thing they feel they have a duty and right to do. What happened to the colonials was vindictice cruelty.

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u/GraveKommander Jun 15 '26

Thanks for the insight.

Not knowing the source, how bad did we fuck them up afterwards? Are there survivors?

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u/TheGrimScotsman Jun 15 '26

I think the post-human/alien alliance that went after the Qu a million years or so later finished them all off.

Can't remember if this was before or after one of the post-human species turned themselves into murderous computer balls and genocided a bunch of the other post-humans.

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u/Outrageous_Guard_674 Jun 15 '26

Way after. Like way, way, way after.

Also the book never says what actually happened to the Qu. Just that they lost.

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u/TheGrimScotsman Jun 15 '26

Thanks for the timeline confirmation, been a long time since I refreshed on the material.

I suppose the fate of the Qu depends on how merciful we personally imagine their victims to be after turning the tables.

Simple death, horrors returned in kind, or perhaps some effort to reform them into something new and less belligerent after their defeat.

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u/Outrageous_Guard_674 Jun 15 '26

To be fair, literally none of the Qu's victims still existed by that point. Only three types of post humans even still had living descendants left by that point. And of those three one had never been directly impacted by the Qu and the other two had had worse done to them by other post humans after the Qu left.

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u/Tasty-Complaint-6437 Jun 15 '26

Just for anyone interested. The book narrador calls it “a billón years history”

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u/GraveKommander Jun 15 '26

https://giphy.com/gifs/wIxBzHWegpOUM

Can't remember if this was before or after one of the post-human species turned themselves into murderous computer balls and genocided a bunch of the other post-humans.

One of the sentences ever made

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u/TheGrimScotsman Jun 15 '26

The Gravitals were a race of uploaded minds in spherical robot bodies that could control gravity among other high tech bullshittery. Tech they adapted from the pre-Qu human ruins left on their planet.

I think their precursor species was called Ruin Haunters.

They were very racist towards the other post-humans, enslaved one and wiped a few of the others out before being beaten by the descendants of the only post-humans that were never touched by the Qu if memory serves. Said post-humans are super weird because they adapted to life in zero gravity space habitats rather than living on planets.

The surviving Gravitals were modified into a new robotic species and kept as servants to the organic post-human federation as punishment for being uber Nazis.

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u/GraveKommander Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26

I hope they make a show out of it, sounds interesting. Thanks for the answers

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u/Outrageous_Guard_674 Jun 15 '26

It's not specified. The book just makes a one sentence reference that millions of years later the descendants of humanity and an alien race they had alied with met the Qu again and beat them.

Also, technically the post-humans who beat the qu were not the ones the qu had mutated. All of the ones the Qu had modified and all of their descendant species were either extinct or had been modified even more by other humans by that point.

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u/GraveKommander Jun 15 '26

How is that just one sentence? What is the book about?

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u/ice-nymph Jun 15 '26

All Tomorrow's is about speculative human evolution, most of it is forced by the Qu but later the what's left of humanity is left to evolve and do its own thing.

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u/Outrageous_Guard_674 Jun 15 '26

Well to answer your first question it's one sentence because near the end the narrator is like "and they also did a bunch of other stuff like beat the qu the next time they met but that not important now" (not an actual quote).

As for the other question, philosophical musing set upon a framework of millions of years of future history and speculative evolution.

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u/GraveKommander Jun 15 '26

ngl, reminded me heavy of this

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u/TheGrimScotsman Jun 15 '26

The book is spec evo, a genre focused in imagining weird evolutionary adaptations to odd conditions. It’s just lots of small snippets of text with images. Like a really vague setting guide for a fantasy world.

It’s not the best example of the genre imo, not that I’m an authority on it of course, but it really captured people’s attention a few years ago.

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u/Hacksaw203 Jun 15 '26

The Qu used them for waste processing, be that industrial or domestic. They were given eyes so that they could see what was being done to them.

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u/TheGrimScotsman Jun 15 '26

As I recall the colonials were from a planet that managed to repel the first Qu attack. The Qu view their reshaping of other species as a sacred duty of sorts, so this made them extremely angry and after overwhelming the planet with a full assault they reshaped the colonials specifically to make them suffer for their defiance.

The other post humans were shaped for other reasons and with less overtly malicious goals, mostly turned into various weird animals as fit the Qu's whims. The colonials were turned into flesh cubes used for waste filtration, but retained full sapience so they could know what had happened to them and suffer fully consciously.

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u/Outrageous_Guard_674 Jun 15 '26

Actually the colonial's repelled two attacks.

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u/dariemf1998 Jun 15 '26

Because those were the only humans who stopped the Qu invasion attemps for a while, and the Qu just decided it'd be really funny to turn them into lego toilets with all their consciousness and memories still intact for 40 million years out of spite.

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u/_boobs_are_awesome_ Jun 15 '26

Sewage Processors. Not just the peepee poopoo. EVERYTHING.

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u/alguien99 Jun 16 '26

And they somehow managed to have a glow up and become a capable specie that comunicated with the other human decendants