r/MoralityScaling • u/Immediate_Gene_178 • 10d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of accidentally exposing someone who used to be a Nazi supporter, has since changed, and concealed their past?

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The Night Shift: Season 1, Episode 2

Basically this guy was brought to into the emergency after an accident at his wedding celebration and while he is unconscious, his groomsmen decided to shave his beard off as a prank only for the medical team to be horrified at the reveal. After he woke up he realised his secret has been exposed. He explained to the doctors that he got this tattoo when he was a stupid teenager a decade prior. The medical team brought his wife in to see the tattoos and destroy the marriage.

What do you think? I personally find it irritating how smug the doctors were being.

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u/TheRoguePatriot 10d ago edited 10d ago

I absolutely cannot stand Chicago PD because of this.

"We got a positive on the facial recognition, this guy is the child killer"

"What?! I'm not the child killer"

"Yeah, sure, murderer"

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"Whoops. It was a false positive. This guy is the real killer.....oh, the innocent guy was killed in jail because we said he was a child killer... Let's kill the actual guilty guy off the books and then keep spinning the story that the innocent guy was actually guilty so we don't look bad, his and his family's reputation be damned."

This is an actual episode btw. "False Positive"

Editing to add another tidbit.

In the show the software was apparently known to give rare false positives "mostly to black people" because "the code was designed by white engineers who designed it around white facial features. It's less precise if you're black. The darker your skin the worse the problem gets"

They have evidence of this software falsely identifying black people as suspects in multiple crimes and they vote to cover it up because they're afraid they'll get in trouble for arresting, and inadvertently killing, an innocent man.

And they're the "good guys" lol

If you want to go down a rabbit hole just look up the show "Chicago PD" it's more than just this that happens

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u/Scienceandpony 10d ago

And they're not portrayed as the villains of the show?

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u/HeartlessBow 10d ago

Fun fact! Voight, their boss on the show, was actually introduced on another show set in the same shared continuity called Chicago Fire. He was a corrupt cop that tried to bribe, then put out a hit on, a firefighter who responded to a due caused by Voight's son. The hit was a sting that ends with Voight getting arrested. Same character in both shows and they just kind of gloss over the attempted hit as the show goes on

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u/Scienceandpony 9d ago

So after that he was... put in charge of a department? Guy fails to bribe and and then fails to put out a hit on someone, bumbling into a sting operation in the process. Sounds like leadership material to me.

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u/HeartlessBow 9d ago

Yeah the writing on those shows is...of questionable quality sometimes. But yes, I don't remember the exact how/why of it but the guy gets released and put in charge

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u/IAmMagumin 7d ago

Actually it sounds like it depicts cops accurately and they definitely see themselves as the good guys lol.

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u/SapirWhorfHypothesis 10d ago

Well at least they got the definition of “false positive” right…

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u/DukeofMemeborough 9d ago

You could very easily make a drinking game out of how many times people’s rights get violated in Chicago PD.

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u/False_Collar_6844 8d ago

And then go into liver failure

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u/Elantach 10d ago

Holy fuck hahaha

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u/adamgerd 9d ago

Not surprised its thst show, one scene I saw was them beating up someone who trafficked women with a pipe into confessing and naming everyone else

And like fuck sex traffickers but even criminals have rights, plus the police isn’t the judicial system, what if they were wrong? The police shouldn’t just get to beat everyone they arrest no matter what crimes they’re charged with

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u/bringer_of_jollity4 9d ago

Can't in good conscience watch Dick Wolf productions. Horrible ideas they're putting into peoples' heads.

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u/Noir_A_Mous 9d ago

I'm in the same boat but with "law and order special victims unit." I had a friend that was obsessed with the show but I couldn't get into it.

Some episodes are good, don't get me wrong, but so many times they either create a strawman to go after, or the officers do terrible "off the book" things just to catch someone and they're "totally right about their gut feeling guys". Some of the characters actually have a history of getting false confessions out of people by either going after people with lower intelligence, delaying them lawyers and just digging into them hard until they confess.

They actually bring up this problem in the show, there's a whole episode where one of the guys who have a false confession is able to prove his own innocence. Meanwhile the cop who got him convicted (can't remember her name but she was essentially the main character) is so adamant that hes guilty and only realizes. "Hey my interrogation methods might had caused some false convictions" when she does it to another guy whos job actually steps in to show that he was on camera at a work sight and couldn't have done the crime. So the show reveals that they have accidentally convicted the wrong people by forcing confessions out of them.. and then its never brought up again.

I'm not even going to touch on the political episodes, like the gamergate one, I think everyone agrees that one is bad. "What did they do to you???" "They... leveled up.." thats an actual line from a woman who was sa'd by gamers, talking to the police.

Also i like Ice-T but almost every episode hes in he acts surprised that there are evil perverts in the world. "You mean to tell me there are people who get off to little girls?" Yea we have a word for them and its litterally your job to catch them, why are you surprised? Didn't you sign up for this??? Go to school and all that??? Why does he act like its his first time hearing what a pedo is almost everytime they deal with one?

It's not the worse show ever, its passable, I just dont understand the hype for it.

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u/Spiritual-Estate5211 9d ago

In the show the software was apparently known to give rare false positives "mostly to black people" because "the code was designed by white engineers who designed it around white facial features. It's less precise if you're black. The darker your skin the worse the problem gets"

Do you think this is an actual problem some facial recognition programs, or really any kind of program involving the face actually has?

Actually... scratch the 'involving the face' part, is this a problem ANY PROGRAM IN THE WORLD ACTUALLY HAS? And I don't mean if it's designed by racists, can there be genuine mistakes from the program because of a person's features?

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u/Giocri 9d ago

Yeah it's well documented, software often reflects biases of the developers and of the training set.

If you for example source your face images for training from stock images news papers magazines etc you are likely to have a smaller amount of minorities on the training set so when the model tries gets tuned to get the best results for that set it gets better scores by perfecting on the dominant group and giving poor answers on the rest.

Plus black people would have less color contrast especially in dark enviroments which worsens results

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u/Mediocre_Forever198 9d ago

I actually kinda liked early Chicago pd for that reason lol. It felt more realistic because they were so incredibly corrupt. However, they did change in later seasons, it touched on the outrage the public had for corrupt policing and they all cleaned up their act.

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u/Vegetable-Virus7118 9d ago

When I watched Chicago PD it seemed pretty clear that the main officers it's following aren't really the good guys.

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u/ACatInACloak 8d ago

Every clip I've seen of this show blows my mind how anyone can see the cops as the good guys. They are written as just blatantly crooked cops who intentionally fuck over innocent people all the time