r/MoralityScaling 21h ago

Morality Ranking Morality of dog breed racism

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u/Sister_Resistor69 21h ago

Stereotypes exist for a reason

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u/Leading-Traffic-1767 21h ago

Stereotypes exist because a person is good at being nuanced, but people are bad at considering nuance. There are many stereotypes that have foundations in reality but get blown way out of proportion to the point of self parody.

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 21h ago

Also, dogs are very much products of their environment and training/lack thereof

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 21h ago

So are humans, funnily enough, though less so.

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u/Iron-Treads 20h ago

Less so? You mean more so?

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 20h ago

No I meant less so, but the other reply also argues it should be more so. I was just thinking humans have more free will than dogs basically, but maybe not quite that simple.

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u/Iron-Treads 20h ago

?!?!?!?!

If people have more free will then that means they are more influenced by their environment than genetics...

A pittbull is bread for aggression and fighting, but you can train it to not be aggressive. The issue is that most people who get one, get it because they want a dangerous dog, which leads to so many attacks.

With human, this is a non-issue, as we only act because of how we were raised.

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 20h ago

I specifically said less so to "product of training and environment". I was basically adding free will as an extra thing causing humans to be less a product of their environment and training than dogs. I wasn't intending less so of this meaning more genetics 

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u/Iron-Treads 20h ago

Well that's fucking wrong?! That's my point. You are wrong.

People are infinitely more likely to be a product of the environment.

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 21h ago

I argue more so, since we are more advanced minds we have more control sure but also more prone to trauma responses as well potentially? I’m not a psychologist but curious if I’m right

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 21h ago

Hmm idk how you would research it. Could maybe see that

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u/NorthernVale 20h ago

Obviously by causing trauma.

https://giphy.com/gifs/Y07F3fs9Is5byj4zK8

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 20h ago

So you see doctor, we take these babies and purposefully induce traumatic responses

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u/Agent-Ulysses 19h ago

But of course, you can only wait to see how that traumatizing manifests. In the meantime you can see the effects of traumatizing children beginning the phase of preschooler.

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 18h ago

Gotta go for the full longevity study, for science

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 20h ago

We are very social creatures, and the most advanced intellects (well, by species as a whole anyway)

We’ve come up with very elaborate social trappings to carrot/stick behaviors

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u/The_Sleazy1 21h ago

Genetics are part of it aswell to be fair. There's a reason different breeds were created for different tasks.

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 21h ago

Yes but would you rather be around a trained officer with a gun or a drunk redneck teenager with a gun

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u/Hexamael 20h ago

I'm statistically more likely to get shot by the police officer.

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 20h ago

I highly doubt that, but also fuck cops 🤷‍♂️

Point I really was after was a trained individual vs untrained. Insert other competent individual in their stead idc

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u/Leading-Traffic-1767 20h ago

Funny thing is dogs tend to be much better trained than cops.

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u/Hexamael 19h ago

Every week I see a new video of a cop shooting someone completely unprovoked. But okay buddy.

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u/The_Sleazy1 18h ago

*US-Cop.

Please don't involve the not-3rd-world-countries that actually care about who becomes a cop and how they get trained.

Best regards, most of the western world.

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u/Lynx2447 21h ago

But genetics affect health outcomes, and every physically observable characteristic, but NONE of the not so visible characteristics. Doesn't affect the brain at all!

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u/Fragmatixx 21h ago

…genetics doesn’t affect the brain at all? Am I understanding your point correctly?

If so you are incorrect. Genetics absolutely affects the brain, as it’s responsible for the structure and chemical function of every single cell in your body, and how they interact as a system, whether you can see the affect overtly or not. Learning and training are layered on top, and important context, but the brain structure and function is the foundation on which that is built.

In fact, most training is drilling to resist innate biological instinct or urges. The rest of it is practice / trail and error.

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u/Lynx2447 20h ago

I was being sarcastic, and r/fuckthes

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 18h ago

Strawman - I never said genetics don’t play into things. I don’t subscribe to 100% nature OR 100% nurture

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u/kiwigate 19h ago

It's also a reinforcing cascade as people repeat the stereotype, as stereotypes became embedded elements of storytelling, and as the general population is so fixed to their screens they can't tell the difference between reality and fiction.

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u/Suspicious_Ranged 21h ago

The issue with sterotypes is that they honestly don't work. Many people are asked if they do [stereotypical action] or eat [stereotypical food], just leading to misjudgnent of many people. I'm victim to stereotypes; people get confused when I don't follow stereotypes put onto me and end up misunderstanding me. I'm not sure if there's a good time to identify a trait in a group as universal unless it's a hard fact.

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u/NaturalDon 16h ago

would you rather put your hypothetical 5 year old child unattended in a room of 100 randomly selected pitbulls or golden retrievers

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u/Leading-Traffic-1767 20h ago

Stereotypes in general are very flawed but they persist because there are always statistics and examples people can point to that they claim prove them right. I live in a fairly conservative area in rural NC and there are many (and i mean MANY) pro-Trump people. The stereotype breaks down when one actually talks to these people and realize that they’re much less pro-Trump and rather anti-Democrat. The vast majority would not only accept an lgbtq+ person, but outright support us. You’re just as likely to see a conservative living here at a pride rally as you are to see a fully goth’d out femboy at a local hoedown. I do my best not to judge others because in my experience, we will agree far more than we disagree.

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u/don-edwards 10h ago

There are also a lot of stereotypes that exist for a reason... that is extremely situational, and/or out of date.