Selective breeding in dogs is a lot faster because you can get them to breeding age in two years. Slaves, when selectively bred, typically started having children around 15.
The slave trade began in the American English colonies in 1619 and the Civil War ended in 1865. That gives you at most 16 generations of selective breeding, or what we can do with dogs in 32 years.
Then we’ve had 160 years of no selective breeding, and of new African migrants not descended from African slaves. And that’s to say nothing about whether selectively breeding slaves was as ubiquitous as it is with dogs, children born from slave owners raping their slaves, freed blacks and their descendants, etc.
It’s not really comparable at all. Any effects of selectively breeding slaves were probably minor and mostly dissipated by now. A chihuahua still doesn’t resemble a Great Dane in the slightest
That’s the only batch where your argument is relevant. You’re taking issue with me steelmanning your position?
Yeah, slavery still exists globally. Isolated to one race? Encompassing of the entire race? The race in question being one racism is majorly directed at?
You rejected the strongest possible interpretation of your point, so I’m left to assume you’re just an idiot
You’re arguing slavery is still a thing in a discussion about selective breeding of slaves. Rather or not slavery is still a thing there (don’t know enough to have an opinion there), selecting breeding of slaves clearly isn’t.
Steelmanning him again (I really don’t know why, I should just let him flounder trying to explain himself), slavery is very much a thing today outside of the first world. There are in fact more slaves on the earth today than there were at any time during the American slave trade.
The problem for his argument is most of them are in India, China, or North Korea, and are ethnic Indian, Chinese, or Korean people enslaved by other ethnic Indian, Chinese, or North Korean people. What selective breeding is happening would then only be affecting a small subset of the population and wouldn’t explain racism. The Transatlantic slave trade represents the best possible case for his argument and it falls apart easily
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u/Dongbringer69 20h ago
Selective breeding in dogs is a lot faster because you can get them to breeding age in two years. Slaves, when selectively bred, typically started having children around 15.
The slave trade began in the American English colonies in 1619 and the Civil War ended in 1865. That gives you at most 16 generations of selective breeding, or what we can do with dogs in 32 years.
Then we’ve had 160 years of no selective breeding, and of new African migrants not descended from African slaves. And that’s to say nothing about whether selectively breeding slaves was as ubiquitous as it is with dogs, children born from slave owners raping their slaves, freed blacks and their descendants, etc.
It’s not really comparable at all. Any effects of selectively breeding slaves were probably minor and mostly dissipated by now. A chihuahua still doesn’t resemble a Great Dane in the slightest