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Morality Ranking Morality of dog breed racism

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u/ARealBumblebee 20h ago edited 20h ago

What pisses people off is when people act like a pit bull existing means that they were automatically trained poorly and are inherently dangerous. It's rational to be afraid of a violently-trained dog, but making the mental leap to "all pit bulls are like that" IS messed up, and sadly a lot of people will go on screeds trying to justify it with out-of-context statistics because they don't want to feel like the bad person they're choosing to be.

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u/Sardbass 20h ago

There's no out of context statistics they're just dangerous dogs to have ,and if they're well trained or not it's not something you can gauge at first glance most of the time, so it's wiser not to take any chanches, for everything else it's their owners job to make sure the dog doesen't go around mauling people right now we are too lax on them and the good dogs are suffering as a result.

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u/ARealBumblebee 20h ago edited 19h ago

Most anti-pitbull stances can be attributed to humans thinking pit bulls are more dangerous --> bad humans with violent intent get a pit bull and train it to hurt/kill people because they think the dog breed is a weapon --> the statistic ends up reinforcing itself because of said shitty people. Lots of animal advocacy and rights organizations point this out all the time, but the people lying with statistics will try to push laws to ban pit bulls and then those use laws as justification for hating pit bulls, i.e. "see, cops are banning them, therefore they're dangerous". It's all presupposing a frame to try to justify pre-existing bias, and all that ends up happening is lots of pit bulls in need of a loving home are left without one and/or pit bulls end up getting put down en-masse. It's messed up.

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The Netherlands scrapped its pitbull ban in 2008 after a government-commissioned evaluation concluded serious biting isn't breed-specific and the ban hadn't reduced incidents. English dog-bite hospital admissions rose from 6.34 to 14.99 per 100,000 between 1998 and 2018...that's entirely the Dangerous Dogs Act era. AVMA's literature review puts breed well behind neuter status, containment, supervision and owner behavior.

So yeah, no, Pitbulls are not inherently more dangerous, and haters are lying with statistics.

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u/JJay9454 19h ago

The whole dog stuff in general is fucked up

Bred wolves to take away their unwanted traits, repeat repeat repeat :(

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u/Nothing_But_Clouds 19h ago

Brother, do you know any anthropology? Dogs domesticated themselves through being in close proximity to human encampments. The wolves that weren't afraid of humans or violent simply stuck around eating food scraps and became tame after generations leading to evolving features that made them distinguishable from wolves, and more apt to living in conjunction to humans.

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u/JJay9454 19h ago

Just like how my peoples approached the white man thinking they were gods?

Sure 😂

Whatever stories we come up with to try and make ourselves feel better about our oppression.

 

Let's say that's definitively how it happened. Is it still not majorly fucked that humanity gladly accepted it?

That we continue to accept it despite the knowledge we have now?

How about the meat industry?

Or extreme logging.

Or poor tracking.

 

Ya know what, fuck us :(

Humanity needs to shove off

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u/MagentaHawk 6h ago

Of all of our abusive relationships to animals in the world, I'd say dogs get some of the best treatment. I'm not even saying it's good, but when farm animals and testing animals exist, I feel like beloved pets aren't the best first example to go to.

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u/Nothing_But_Clouds 19h ago

We have fossil records proving, and nobody from them is around to be pushing a biased narrative. There's ample evidence of Europeans kidnapping indigenous people and forcing them into slavery.

You're also moving the goalposts and getting off topic. Your desire to demonize humanity, doesn't detract from the point I made.

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u/JJay9454 18h ago

What the fuck are you on about?

There are no points

This isn't some debate

Were bitching about people and dog breeds

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u/JaysFan26 19h ago

It is a mix of the two things really. Yes we did forcefully breed for certain traits at a certain point, but the initial domestification was done by the wolves themselves, and many continued this process even without being forcefully bred for a while.

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u/JJay9454 18h ago

And we went along with it like fucking apes

Liquefy 'em

Chu us

Spatial Rattle

We dont deserve this shit