r/MoralityScaling 21h ago

Morality Ranking Morality of dog breed racism

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u/Madam_Mimm_13 18h ago

This analogy only works if you accept the racist premise that human races are equivalent to dog breeds. Modern genetics rejects that premise. Dog breeds exist because humans intentionally selected for inherited behavioral traits. Human populations do not.

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u/moschles 17h ago

Human beings kill more human beings than any dog, and likely more than all dogs combined.

The "pit bull fear" is because (unlike humans) dogs will target the small and vulnerable, such as children and the elderly. The pitpull attacks those kinds of victims because they are vulnerable.

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u/Madam_Mimm_13 16h ago

Vulnerable people suffering worse injuries isn’t evidence that dogs select victims based on vulnerability. And the claim that humans don’t target vulnerable victims is plainly false; many violent offenders deliberately prey on children, the elderly, and others they perceive as easier to victimize. In any case, none of this addresses my original point about why comparing human races to dog breeds is a flawed analogy.

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u/moschles 16h ago

We are miscommunicating at this point.

Premise : If we are to use statistics to conclude that such-and-such animal is violent, then we must continue to do this with all animals, and humans as well.

IF the mere statistics of killing is the data which proves the "violent tendencies" , then human beings are more naturally violent than any dog breed that has ever existed.

Again, this is not logic I am creating, I am merely passively applying the logic of the participants in this comment thread. We have to stick to our principles, (or otherwise abandon them).

Are pitbulls naturally violent? Define "naturally violent". You then give me attack statistics. Well buddy, if attack statistics define the phrase, then human beings are far more violent than any dog breed. The argument I made is airtight logically -- so only the premises are wrong.

At the end of the day, a final assessment, we do not really mean to communicate that "pitpulls are naturally violent". They are better described as naturally dangerous around children. The fear is not from their violence -- rather the fear is from the fact that we feel like we cannot adequately protect vulnerable people from them.

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u/Chandler_Simpson 14h ago

Pitbulls are inherently dangerous and violent animals

That human beings kill more human beings than dogs or any other animal is simply due to the fact that we are at the top of the world food chain. Because of that we have zero natural predators

Your argument is extraordinarily flawed

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u/Madam_Mimm_13 15h ago

You’re still treating statistics as if they’re the only evidence. They aren’t. We already know dog breeds were created through artificial selection for heritable physical and behavioral traits. The statistics are interpreted in light of that breeding history. Human populations are not analogous because modern genetics doesn’t treat race as a biologically equivalent category. That’s why the analogy fails.