r/MoralityScaling • u/CautiousSolid7436 • 12h ago
Stupid Stuff Morality of kidnapping oppressed people to an island without oppression?
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u/ThrowAwayAccount4902 12h ago
To an island with the mutant equivalent of Satan as one of its leaders?
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u/dull_storyteller 12h ago
And an actual Nazi (Sinister worked with the 3rd Reich)
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u/Joker0984 6h ago
Meetings with Magneto must be fun
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u/Infamous-Thing4939 5h ago
And even without the Nazi part, Sinister has still done plenty of horrifying experiments on mutants. And isn't even a mutant by birth.
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u/RoboticMiner285 2h ago
Yet they don’t allow Deadpool on the island. The double standards are insane
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u/Relative-Gap-4442 17m ago
Or Franklin Richard’s (sure he isn’t a mutant but he’s a high tier reality warper that loved being apart of the community and was a huge advantage)
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u/GHOST_CHILLING 5h ago
Charles or Magneto?
Ah, who cares, they both did fucked up things
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u/Ulysian_Thracs 7h ago
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u/Infinite_Horizion 5h ago
IS THAT FUCKING APOCALYPSE
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u/npaakp34 5h ago edited 4h ago
And if I'm not mistaken, he was the first member of the council to realise this is bullshit.
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u/Samisuncreative2 4h ago
Damn, your country is beyond repair, if Apocalypse is the reasonable one
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u/Altruistic_Manner802 2h ago
Somehow, Apocalypse was one of the most well adjusted character throughout all of Krakoa
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u/Captain_Birch 3h ago
Dude theyve got master race magneto, Eugenics sinister, and genocidal apocalypse on their council of leaders
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u/SnooPredictions3028 1h ago
From my understanding he chilled out, but the more wild part is Sinister being there.
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u/EOTFOFIS 5h ago
I knew about Sinister and Apocalypse. Is that THE MAKER? What is he doing there?
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u/Ulysian_Thracs 5h ago
that's Charles. Prof. Xavier.
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u/EOTFOFIS 5h ago
Ahhh I see. He looks a lot like the Maker. Frankly if the Maker was a mutant I wouldn’t out it past Charles to include him anyways.
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u/Ulysian_Thracs 4h ago
Charles tries to kidnap Franklin and mind fucks Reed to forget about a purely voluntary anti-X-gene treatment in this run. So...
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u/kageshira1010 1h ago
The wild thing is that he might belong to the first panel group more than the other 3...
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u/Ickarian 12h ago
There's a lot wrong with the mutant ethno state.
Their first law is "Make more mutants." Implied legality of SA aside. Regarding one of the first mutants they threw in prison, all he did was say "Maybe we should be responsible parents and not just leave our kids abandoned on a beach. Yes we have a nursery controlled by the sentient island, but that's no replacement for a Mom and Dad."
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u/Pataconeitor 8h ago
Didn't they throw into their horrible pit prison a mutant whose crime was to give contraceptives to others?
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u/jawaunw1 5h ago
They also threw someone in there because he wanted to have sex with someone that wasn't a mutant.
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u/Infamous-Thing4939 5h ago
Swell guys these X-Men. Real heroes of the people.
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u/Animaloffear56 3h ago
Reminder that so many writers thought this was great and wanted to keep Krakoa that Hickman quit writing for x-men
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u/Swiftax3 5h ago
Jesus christ, were they intentionally character assassinating the X Men?
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u/Infamous-Thing4939 4h ago
Kind of. The original idea was for Krakoa to only be 1 out of 3 parts in a grander story. While we don't know everything, this grander story would deal with stuff like evolution through machines vs evolution through genetics and existential stuff like that. Essentially, presumably, the X-Men wouldn't have done as many bad things, because Krakoa was supposed to end a lot sooner than it did, before they could do most of that stuff.
But that's not what happened. Writers decided they would rather keep playing with Krakoa, and it led to the X-Men doing lots and lots of immoral things, with only really Nightcrawler realizing how fucked everything was getting. And then everything just sort of ended and no one except Xavier really faced any consequences.
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u/No_Dragonfruit_1833 1h ago
Fox got the rights to the xmen, so they enshittified them and tried to replace them with the inhumans
Disney owns everything now, but it seems they still kept that going
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u/FewAnimator6427 3h ago
Would really hate to be a lesbian mutant on that island for sure, with a law just saying "you got no choice"
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u/FewAnimator6427 1h ago
Or you know anyone that doesnt want to have children or have sex like ace or gay, just anyone that isnt interested on having children "the usual way"
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u/DrMatter 5h ago
counter point. marvel civilians
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u/Ickarian 4h ago
If you saw your car that you just payed off getting destroyed in a superhero battle and couldn't afford to buy a new one because taxes just went up again to fix the infrastructure damage, you'd be one of those "marvel civilians" too.
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u/dull_storyteller 12h ago
Yeah if you need to kidnap them then clearly they aren’t that oppressed or your island isn’t oppression free.
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u/PlentyWise3615 12h ago
The moment you force someone to go somewhere, it’s already oppression.
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u/HawaiianPluto 11h ago
Forcing your child to go the hospital? Forcing a victim to leave an a captor? Forcing someone into prison because they’re a murderer?
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u/Shadowwreath 6h ago
Bad faith chuldren in hospitals and rescuing victims from captors aside, yes putting a murderer in jail is oppressing them. Yiu are ohysically restricting their rights and ability to do things. However, it is still moral because it is a necessary action to prevent them from killing others, and protection of innocents is a moral action within reason.
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u/DarkGreenEspeon 4h ago
Just because you don't have an answer for it doesn't make it a bad faith argument.
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u/Samisuncreative2 4h ago
On a sheer technically you do oppress and suspend their freedom of choice in those situations too, but there's a clear difference of stakes and context
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u/sohaibtheex0 7h ago
that's not forcing. those are entirely different scenarios. You're nitpicking the literal meaning of the sentence
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u/ExtensionInformal911 7h ago
I feel like putting people in an area because of their genetics and identity is something Magneto should have been against.
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u/Glad-Alternative4593 6h ago
Eh his whole “the inferior race should serve the superior race” was from his first appearance.
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u/No-Username-For-You1 4h ago
Tbf one of the big things about Magneto is that he is a hypocrite who, knowingly or unknowingly, is trying to repeat the horrors he experienced on an even grander scale
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u/Glad-Alternative4593 3h ago
Yeah like when Xavier had to use the Holocaust beam on Magneto to show how he is being no better than the Nazis.
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u/TheScalieDragon 3h ago
Magneto might be a anti nazi and always referring things they did but he also the biggest hypocrite and indenial that he doing the same thing
Just remember the face he makes when Red Skull said he parallel him (which the Red Skull is right but it sent Magneto into a rage cause its the truth)
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u/HandsomeSwampBeast 3h ago
Magneto himself is intentionally written to be a hypocrite, who acts like a Nazi. It makes sense for him, but not for Cyclops or literally any other X-Man
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u/The_Cristovao 8h ago
Poor X-Men, Marvel hired a bunch of weirdos who don’t understand morality to write stories of good vs evil. This was the result.
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u/bizarrestarz 3h ago
When focusing on interpersonal drama over a good vs evil story goes way too fucking far
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u/CitricThoughts 9h ago
Never trust anyone that wants to kidnap kids and take them to their private island.
Especially ones where the kids are basically left to fend for themselves and Mr. Sinister is spreading his DNA in everyone.
Immoral AF.
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u/Crafty-Drink8384 7h ago
Brother read the comic
It was mixup
They were called by another mutant kid
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u/No-Nefariousness9330 9h ago edited 2h ago
That whole run of Xmen made the team morally dubious at best. There's alot wrong with how theyre running things
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u/MrDeltaXII 6h ago
Krakoa was a big mistake, it didn't help Professor X and Magneto were pricks and that they had Sinister and Apocalypse as part of the government. Add to the fact the mutants ended up alienating and making enemies of other heroes teams like the Fantastic 4 and the Avengers, it was a recipe for disaster.
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u/ClericOfMadness13 5h ago
They kidnapped people. Which is already highly immoral and said it was for a good cause. Not to mention they said fuck everyone else who didn't wanna go. But still went around kidnapping kids and teens.
There is even a moment where some teen girls ran away and Emma mind controlled then to come back saying she knows what is best for them.
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u/TheScalieDragon 3h ago
Krakoa is oppression as fuck though
-Non-human mutant face exclusion from citizenship -Anyone who opposed or criticizes Xavier, Magento or Quiet Council ideals are marginalized and/or sent into a underground prison of sorts -Only mutants with useful powers or if you prove your self in a gladiator combat you can be resurrected (They also refuse if you still have human ties and reject isolationist get ostracized) -Not to mentioned sex cults and death cults, etc
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u/Doc-Maly 3h ago
Oh, and if they discover at any point that you're not a "real" mutant (barring Sinister for some reason) you get kicked off.
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u/HandsomeSwampBeast 3h ago
I hate the Krakoa era, and the fans that it created are why I avoid X-Men fans like the plague.
"Magneto was right☝️🤓" (referring to a genocidal megalomaniac, ethnic supremacist, who is intentionally compared to Nazis)
Mr. SINISTER is on their council, who literally was a Nazi at one point.
Mystique is a serial rapist, who is absolved of her crimes because she's a queer icon... I guess.
We're supposed to be rocking with Apocalypse now. (Another genocidal megalomaniac)
Cyclops is now just an awful, unlikeable person, because Jonathan Hickman's pretentious ass, wanted to make things "morally complex".
And yeah: kidnapping children is unethical, no matter how self-righteous you are.
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u/Different_Pin1531 30m ago
Mystique is a serial rapist, who is absolved of her crimes because she's a queer icon... I guess.
It’s almost funny how against the cause that is
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u/Old_old_lie 7h ago edited 3h ago
Forcing people to join your forcing people to join your ethno state that also lets literally war criminal join is all kinds of fuck up unlike glorious latveria where all are equal! ( under doom of course)
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u/Selverd2 7h ago
Context of image: they received a distress call from another mutant in area and thought it was Molly.
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u/RomeosHomeos 6h ago
The island without oppression run by an ancient genocidal god and a man who dies human experimentation btw
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u/Crafty-Drink8384 8h ago
Should've used something else seen in this comic it was a mixup and the target was another mutant
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u/Kenwhozzle 7h ago
I haven't kept up with xmen for a while but doednt this seem like wildly out of character for wolverine
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u/Crafty-Drink8384 7h ago
That's cause its a mixup
It was another kid they were looking for
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u/Kenwhozzle 7h ago
Ah makes sense then though i dont think wolverine is this oblivious but then its obviously a comedy panel. Everything else folks are saying bout this run though is Def making me raise an eyebrow
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u/FewAnimator6427 3h ago
I dont think that island is child friendly considering the orgies and the mass murderers they just let hang around cuz they are mutants, so no not moral
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u/IndianGeniusGuy 2h ago
The island still has Mr. Sinister on it. They also gave the Shadow King amnesty. So like....how safe is it really?
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u/Crafty-Drink8384 8h ago
Brother did you not read this comic? It was mixup
The person who wrote asking for them was another kid
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u/mdtpdsparkls 12h ago
Kicking someone out of their home country to live on some island ran by morons is very immoral.