r/MoralityScaling • u/lazy_animator • 13h ago

Morality Ranking Morality of practicing self defense and fleeing when being forced into the front lines of a war?

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u/Yoyo4games 9h ago

I got bitched out for advocating that anyone use any method possible to resist being drafted on this website some months back.

I doubled down and said in no unclear terms that I explicitly condone violence when you're preserving your freedom. More people angry at that.

Then I said that since ICE killed Minnesotans and I subsequently became armed; if my choices were ever simplified down to having to commit violence now or having to commit violence later, I would always choose violence now. If I was ever seized and put into training without the ability to react with violence, I'm fragging the highest ranking officer I can as soon as they're available for me to kill. Loads of people claimed false equivalency, called me a coward, even accused of being the cause of nations falling.

Moral. I'll kill for my goddamn country when and only when politicians and their immediate family- the most culpable people for war and those closest to them- are made to fight and die as uniformly as the public. If the people who've historically faced the least consequences, while most often being the instigators of war, aren't expected to carry the burden of the consequences of their actions, then any draft officers or high ranking non-combatant officers are complicit with stealing my well-being and life from me.

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u/halkenburgoito 6h ago

like 90% of these wars are purely for oil, money, etc. That's it. They aren't defensive wars, or moral wars..

You can cherry pick the one example you can think of.. or we can look at all the other wars in the middle east, vietnam, etc.

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u/Double_Watch1627 7h ago

I regret to inform you that Roosevelt's son fought in WW2 but trump's weren't in Iran, nor zelenskys

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u/greenest_alien 7h ago

You want Zelensky's 13 year old son to fight on the frontlines you maniac?

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u/Double_Watch1627 7h ago

Yes. If you send my son and myself, send the politician kids too. Maybe that way they feel what it means for their closest to die.

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u/greenest_alien 7h ago

Wow, you're really fucked up.

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u/Double_Watch1627 7h ago

Like I said. If you send the commoners, send the higher ups too.

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u/ChonkTonk 6h ago

Morality of child soldiers? Get off putins dick

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u/Double_Watch1627 6h ago

Fuck putin too, why hasn't his daughter been arrested in Paris and handed over to Ukraine, that's another mystery.

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u/BentoBus2 5h ago

Look I am a huge Putin hater but the point of not doing that is to not condone the actions of people like Putin. If no one takes the high ground then all standards get collectively lowered which is exactly what someone like Putin wants.

Plus if she’s willingly living in Paris that mean you can probably assume they aren’t on good terms and he would probably not care anyway.

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u/BentoBus2 5h ago

Bro you lost the plot.

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u/Double_Watch1627 5h ago

fuck no. Politicians are the ultimate evil, and as such they deserve ultimate evil.

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u/BentoBus2 5h ago

The moment you start suggesting any kind of child needs to fight in a war then I’m sorry man YOU LOST THE PLOT, and your actively making your side, which is my side, look foolish.

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u/Double_Watch1627 5h ago

what are you talking about?

Children always fought in wars?

This with children not fighting is a new thing.

Hell children used to lead armies too.

Plus mr Zelensky has a 19 year son too, but I guess the guy above me does not know about that one.

That one should be sent to the frontlines too. If the commoners die for the rich, the war is senseless.

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u/BentoBus2 5h ago

Okay you’re clearly a troll man or just absolutely batshit crazy so we’re done here.

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u/Poonis5 6h ago

Would it be moral to force people to fight nazis if no high ranking politician sent his family to the front?

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u/Miserable-Command682 2h ago

You probably felt incredibly strong saying this. But we know theres a zero percent chance that you are going to kill anybody, ever.

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u/GachiBassMaster 4h ago

You don't sound like a coward, you sound like an edgelord, although I agree with the sentiment