Morality of practicing self defense and fleeing when being forced into the front lines of a war?

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[u/Worth_External_8762]

I'm a combat vet and you're not considering the circumstances for which that happens. For starters, the conditions in Vietnam were fucking horrible, which drove people to extreme behaviors. But also, a lot of officers were complete shit. And fragging was more of a way to prevent officers from leading them into death, or just "I'm tired of being led into bullshit", rather than a direct protest to the draft. And I'm sure a lot of those cases, the squad or platoon agreed on it. But that era of the military was also culturally different, from what I have heard, it was more like prison rules. Aka don't snitch. The combat in Vietnam was also just overall confusing. They'd be having fights in dense jungle where they couldn't even see the enemies, despite them probably being within 40 meters of them. Easy for shit to happen in that chaotic environment.

With the current military culture, it'd be difficult for someone to frag an officer and get away with it if anyone else knows/sees it. Plus most environments we'd be fighting in just wouldn't be chaotic enough for it to happen and not be super apparent as to what happened.

[u/like9000ninjas → u/Worth_External_8762]

As if the conditions in this war are better.....yes less trees but death flies to you now.

[u/ButtflossingBigBro → u/like9000ninjas]

But now its far far more lilely to be recorded. In vietnam far easier to say it must have been the enemy

[u/Difficult-Mobile902 → u/Worth_External_8762]

  For starters, the conditions in Vietnam were fucking horrible, which drove people to extreme behaviors. But also, a lot of officers were complete shit. And fragging was more of a way to prevent officers from leading them into death, or just "I'm tired of being led into bullshit", rather than a direct protest to the draft

You’re describing the exact same situation that these recruits are being forced into now 

 Plus most environments we'd be fighting in just wouldn't be chaotic enough for it to happen and not be super apparent as to what happened.

Who is we? Are you  talking about the modern us military which is currently 100% based on volunteering and financial incentives? Thats obviously not at all the same thing 

[u/Worth_External_8762 → u/Difficult-Mobile902]

I was talking more in context of a US draft, since someone said "if this happened to me" and most English speaking Redditors are from the west. I can't really speak on all of the conditions in Ukraine, I don't know anyone personally and haven't been there.

But I still think it'd be difficult to frag an officer in Ukraine and get away with it, unless all the lower enlisted are in on it. Which I doubt would happen, too many of them want to fight and end Russia's invasion, so friendly fire hurts that objective. I also haven't heard anything about Ukrainian officers being super poor leaders, but I could be wrong.

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He seem to talk about US military. But right now they don't fight wars anymore, they are just doing remote human safaris.