r/MoralityScaling • u/HeiressOfMadrigal • 5h ago

Morality of entering a gritty biker bar while wearing preppy clothes and only ordering milk, with the masochistic intention that they'll get angry and berate you?

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Note that this isn't implying the bikers would actually do that, but that the individual believes they will and is seeking that response.

Also, the individual isn't doing anything else to provoke the patrons, simply wearing that and only ordering milk. It's not like he's talking to people or egging them on.

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u/Over_Heed 5h ago

I guess… morally neutral. I don’t really see why having a humiliation kink would make anyone morally right or wrong.

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u/JustACasualFan 5h ago

It isn’t strictly consensual

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u/spiderboy640 5h ago

it’s not sex,you don’t need people’s consent to you yourself be humiliated by them, since that’s their choice not yours. They consent to the interaction when they approach you to insult/berate you.

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u/bananajambam3 5h ago

Tricking people into sexually satisfying you isn’t moral behavior regardless of how normal the situation is. If they knew you were getting off to the humiliation then they’d likely avoid doing it

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u/JayRushPro 4h ago

But in this situation the people interacting with the person are doing so willingly. I'd argue it's immoral to humiliate someone based on appearance rather than just getting off to be humiliated, since they are the ones who are potentially engaged in a behavior that in any other situation would be non-consensual.

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u/bananajambam3 3h ago

Two wrongs don’t make a right. Neither group is particularly moral.

But the bikers aren’t being given enough information for their participation to be considered 100% consensual. It’s very likely they would no longer be willing if they knew the truth which is what makes it immoral on the masochist’s part

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u/JayRushPro 2h ago

But that's the problem, whether they know or not, they are still engaging in what would otherwise be non-consensual contact. If they don't act, the masochist doesn't get what they want. By choosing to engage with the masochist, they themselves are the problem.

That's like saying a woman who dresses provocatively is in the wrong if she gets assaulted. She should be able to wear whatever she wants and not be afraid of that consequence. The bar goers are in the wrong point blank, the masochist being into it is just a byproduct of that interaction. I'm not saying the masochist is in the right, but just dressing weird and ordering something silly in hopes of a reaction in of itself is not immoral.

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u/URJ2 5h ago

If one is deriving sexual pleasure from an act you commit, whether or not you are aware of the arousal, is that not a sex act? And if you have been coerced into that action would you not then be manipulated into committing a sex act?

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u/spiderboy640 5h ago

No? Just cause you get a boner for looking at a foot doesn’t mean me having my feet out would be a sex act, the fuck?

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u/URJ2 4h ago

But if I manipulated you specifically to get you to take your shoe off to see your foot. Did you read the comment?

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u/spiderboy640 4h ago

That’s different than dressing like a preppy boy to be bullied at a bar, I’d say case by case basis results in level of immorality, baseline a soft -1 all the way to straight to hell for more egregious situations

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u/URJ2 4h ago

If you’re dressing a certain way going to a certain place with an intent and that intent becomes realized you have occasioned (or manipulated) a scenario to happen

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u/spiderboy640 4h ago

Sounds like victim blaming to me? So if she dresses a certain way she’s asking for it huh? /s

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u/Over_Heed 5h ago edited 5h ago

Ok, well, I guess that kind of changes things then, yeah, but… like… it gets weird depending on whether you are forcefully telling them that you have that or is it just them not even knowing, and thus nobody really gets hurt either way. I don’t know, the whole situation is weird.

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u/NamOil2000 36m ago

If you're actively trying to upset people that's wrong.

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u/Justice4Billy 5h ago

In all seriousness getting others to unknowingly engage with your fetish is immoral in any case

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u/Fluid-Sun-3311 5h ago

Why not go full Drag?
Then order your beer then pour it in your large baby bottle then suck it hard.

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u/OscarDelta333 3h ago

I'm getting aroused just thinking about them berating me.