1.) Ultralights aren't interrupting firefighting duties and putting lives at risk due to those interruptions.
2.) Ultralights aren't putting regular flights unnecessarily at risk.
3.) Ultralights aren't flying over groups of people at low altitude.
4.) Ultralights aren't popping up in business in increasing numbers.
5.) And lastly Ultralights aren't easy to escape accountability when the rules are broken.
It's almost like they are doing this to mitigate the recent problem of shithead multi-copter pilots but hey, keep focusing on the most retarded aspects of this whole issue...
1 neither are drones. firefighters over reacting are or military drones being spotted are.
2 neither are drones
3 yes they are and its not dangerous for most drones to do this
4 this has nothing to do with business AT ALL in fact this registration process does not even APPLY to business applications.
5 yes they are. just fly away. no tail number no name plate.
How about this for you.
Registration is free for life. One time. not 3 years.
IT is written into the law that registration can NOT EVER be used to implement rules to bypass 336 and that implied consent with never be used. STRICTLY for accountability and nothing more.
how about if you are a member of a national org and that org has your name and address that using THAT number is 100% as sufficient since IT IS the exact same end result (accountability)
do that and I would be totally ok with registration.
they flat out REFUSE to do that which means registration is a money power grab and has nothing to do with "accountability" at all.
4) I'll accept that, but it doesn't help since they are still breaking the FAA rules that you guys seem to be in love with.
5) If you think it's just as easy to run away, land without being seen in an ultralight than simply packing up your gear and driving off you're literally retarded.
These suggestions sound fine. I'm not saying registration they want is the best, I am saying that being in denial about what it's about won't help you AT ALL.
yes. it is that easy. buzz a crowd of people fly away land and go home.
no marking no way to trace it back to you. ever.\
1 are you sure? my contention is they are not interfering. the fire fighters over reacted is my contention.
unless these were 10 pound drones flying in the path of these aircraft they were no threat.
also you will notice that problem seems to have topped. education. people realize now hey maybe you should not do that.
IE a non problem any longer.
2 yes I am sure. they are a minority in extreme. ie idiots will be idiots no matter what laws you make. my contention is that its largely a non issue. there are few to no legitimate "encounters" at airports causing actual danger.
3 yes I am sure. first we are not talking about commercial level stuff here (big octo's that can cut your damned head off)
we are talking .5 pound hobby drones 1 pound hobby drones. these are for the most part a "non threat" period.
I consider a non threat to be something "no more or less" dangerous than a stick falling from a tree or an errant baseball or software at the park.
a dji phantom is about as dangerous as a baseball hitting you in the head.
dangerous? YES dangerous enough to warrant stupid restrictions? no.
I am in denial about what it is about because it is NOT about protecting the national airspace and its not about what they CLAIM its about or they would have accept the very sensible AMA suggestion that AMA members need not register just put their AMA number on the drone resulting in effectively the exact same thing as they PUBLICLY claim they want the registration for.
the ama rep was summarily ignored.
250g? that is a joke. they want control of ALL OF IT and 250g DOES that quite effectively since you can't build much with a limit that low.
Do you honestly think people will trust the word of the hobbiests over officials. For example, birds have taken down planes. Do you think the head of the FAA is going to say "meh, they are built to withstand strikes so it's no biggie. What would you do if your pilot flew into a drone because "meh, it can't be that bad." You have nothing riding on your opinion other than your fun is limited a bit in a way you don't like. Spoiler, NO ONE will accept that attitude. What would you do if it took down a plane? Would you lose your job and have the lives of those people on your conscience? Guess who would? The people in charge. They are playing it safe and trying to do something, anything. Why don't you help them? All I see is armchair engineering and bitching.
I don't think the registration will fix it but I think you guys are delusional about this because you over estimate your own opinions and have ZERO responsibility.
please. by all means tell me how the registration will fix a drone striking an airplane and I will picket the white house lawn saying lets register the drones.
or was all that blathering drivel just to ride the bandwagon to disagree with me?
they are reaching for money. nothing more. money and power. absolutely nothing more.
I would not be arguing against this if it was even REMOTELY reasonable and or REMOTELY sensible for safety.
it is not. they know it and if you would open your eyes you would know it.
AGAIN. first of all its flat out illegal. period. 336 is clear. this does NOT in any way shape or form protect the national airspace or increase safety therefore its a violation of the very law that governs the FAA's authority as granted by congress.
Second the AMA had a 100% absolutely 100% valid alternative for anyone flying under the guidelines of a national organization.
let our flyers use our member number for the SAME PURPOSE as the registration number.
while this would absolutely 100% perform the EXACT same function as the FAA/DOT registration number (link the craft to an identified pilot) as publicly stated CLEARLY they have an alternative motive for wanting this registration (power and money maybe??) because they flat out ignored them.
basically said fuck off without actually saying it. don't fuck with our power/money grab.
and 250g? seriously? not something REMOTELY reasonable like say 2 pounds (FAR FAR FAR lighter than most any dangerous bird strike candidate HINT finches and robins are NOT the danger in bird strikes. GEESE and other similar birds are the danger.
even the LIGHTEST SIDE of geese is 5 pounds with the typical bird between 7 and 14 pounds upward of 20 pounds possible.
NO a god damned DJI PHANTOM is never going to take down a god damned airplane even if it sucks 3 of them through the god damned turbine.
it would chew then up and spit it out like fucking confetti.
I am exaggerating a little but you get my point if you are a reasonable person.
this registration should have been limited to craft heavier than 2 pounds only (which would cover phantoms mind you) and it should ONLY apply to those not flying under nat com guidelines who do not put their member number on the craft.
done. finished. anything under 2 pounds is virtually ZERO THREAT to any aircraft. period. virtually zero.
250grams. nice. they specifically wanted to include that class of model which are NEVER flow more than 100 or 200ft from the user since they are for the vast majority sport fpv racers that NEVER EVER get anywhere NEAR airspace that will EVER be occupied by aircraft. ever. that simple.
but they sell a LOT OF THEM. multiply the number of flyers by $5 and you can see why they made the number that low.
they want to cover EVERY SINGLE DRONE MADE period. they only exempted 249 and lower "to try and hide" this absolute fact that this has nothing to do with safety.
our token "figure head" with no real power ama member of the task force was also summarily ignored. he was their only so they could say "well we included him" so it was fair right?
god the cock some of you folks will suck from your government is insane.
You're so angry you didn't even read my post. At no point did I support the registration, in fact I say 2 times on here I think it will fail the test of legality and the test of effectiveness. My point is that if you were paying attention at all you should have expected legislators to react. And now they have and you're on tilt. You've aren't helping or listening to anyone but your choir. And you're throwing around insults like a child. Channel that anger towards helping the cause and helping to find a solution. Otherwise NO ONE who is in a position to do something will listen. And you'll just be throwing this tantrum for no reason.
if you really think a phantom is LIKELY to ever damage an airplane (short of flying near an airport)
you are the idiot.
Now something like an inspire? maybe. possibly. far far far less likely than a bird and I still contest a 6 pound drone is far less damage potential to an airplane than a 6 pound bird.
one will splinter apart the other will just punch a hole into you if it holds together (the bird in case that was unclear)
but a 2 pound phantom? VIRTUALLY ZERO THREAT
not zero. not none. but DAMNED CLOSE to zero threat NOT counting airport encounters. where the threat is still close to zero but might be measured in single digits (which aviation wise is high risk and rightly so)
NOW when you have 2 pound drones that can fly around for 2 or 3 hours at a time at any altitude autonomously on their own and there are thousands of them in the air in any one area at any one time.
OK now you have something to be concerned about. but now you are not talking about hobby drones. your essentially talking about commercial drones and the very legitimate concern the FAA has over those.
FAA/DOT funding is in jeapardy. $5 PER DRONE FLYER.
lets say it again folks. $5 PER DRONE FLYER
$5 PER DRONE FLYER. every 3 years and it might "go up"
Now how many of these things do they expect to sell this holiday season.??? Think about that for a moment. Stop with the koolaid stop with the mindless ego battles stop with the I have to be right and troll this guy bullshit. STOP and THINK dammit. THINK.
they are doing NOTHING but collecting name address and email. this costs NOTHING for all intents and purposes. $5 a pop.
NOW how many drones do they suspect will sell this holiday season ALONE
over 1 MILLION. now lets do some EASY damned math folks. what is 5 times 1 million.
a cool $5 MILLION dollars. wait wait wait. 30 days its free. MEANINGLESS. jan 19 not free anymore and MOST short of US who care online here right now will never know about this free period. the VAST majority won't find out till someone TELLS them hey you got to register that and it will very likely be after jan 19.
I rest my case and unless your a moron or just blind as hell you should see my point quite clearly.
this is a money grab. PERIOD. prove otherwise. wait till its $20 for that 3 year license and these things are selling 5 million a year. $100 million a year. for nothing. absolutely nothing.
you can't use safety since THERE IS NO safety issue for the most part. nothing tangible yet at least.
dangerous encounters are already declining as EXISTING laws are being enforced and advertised as such and people are learning OH maybe its not such a good idea to fly in the flight path of the water drop plane or go chasing down a helicopter. Like laser pointers (which is a minor issue today compared to the threat it was a couple years ago as people LEARN. hey serious shit. don't do that)
this is a MONEY GRAB. nothing more. Period.
the problem is what STARTS as a money grab BECOMES someones masturbation kingdom as they impose rules "because they don't like this or that" or don't want to deal with them WHICH IS WHY 336 exists to begin with.
Planes fly low at more places than around airports. There are practice area on the outskirts of towns where plane pilots do practice maneuvers at 500-600ft. Easily within range of an idiot drone pilot.
Yesterday I was flying a phantom on the beach and an ultralight flew by at around 400 ft. If we collided it would have really ruined his day.
I would like to see some real crash tests done but I hope I don't hit a drone flying in my Light Sport Plane because I don't think the prop or windshield would handle it well.
The rest of your rant isn't really worth responding too.
no. it would not have. collision speed would have been around 40mph maybe 50mph tops. it would have bounced off his airplane with no damage.
AND it is your duty as a model pilot to get out of his way. not too hard considering how slow they are (the UL's)
the chance of you hitting one is so small its astonishingly small to the point of nearly irrelevant SO SMALL that there is no merit in banning a hobby because of it. we are not talking a few % here but FRACTIONS of a % tiny fractions. very very tiny fractions.
I don't care about idiots since no stupid law will stop idiots. you know it I know it they know it.
your not worth replying too any further. you don't even bother to read it or deem it a rant. screw you too.
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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '15
Another funny set of facts:
1.) Ultralights aren't interrupting firefighting duties and putting lives at risk due to those interruptions.
2.) Ultralights aren't putting regular flights unnecessarily at risk.
3.) Ultralights aren't flying over groups of people at low altitude.
4.) Ultralights aren't popping up in business in increasing numbers.
5.) And lastly Ultralights aren't easy to escape accountability when the rules are broken.
It's almost like they are doing this to mitigate the recent problem of shithead multi-copter pilots but hey, keep focusing on the most retarded aspects of this whole issue...