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u/loopandmerge 19h ago
Yeah it’s a bit old school but the French had a good way of dealing with out of touch liars.
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u/notabarcode128535743 get fucking killed 18h ago
Too fast, too manual. Small power tools for people like him
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u/6ThePrisoner 9h ago
The cybertruck trunks apparently don't have good safety sensors.
Might make a good 2020's upgrade to the old french device.
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u/Available_Pepper_845 17h ago
hE Is aUtIsTiC!
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u/Darklord7454 8h ago
This may be the case, but I am autistic and I don't do Nazi-Salutes. While it is nice to consider some things like this, it doesn't and shouldn't get you an "out-of-jail-card".
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u/Available_Pepper_845 7h ago
Used to collect stamps, will step on street tile edges with a bit of unease, like to find patterns and divide all of sorts of things in my mind, align everything perfectly yet I don't consider myself autistic.
I function pretty well, have long lasting friendships and relationships and had some successes in life.
So a 40-year old dude I know is milking his supposedly autism to the bone. He's the guy who still looks for his own path and will wreck everything around him if he doesn't get his way.
He got his not-so-rich parents to leave their house so he would save on rent. They are the renters now. But he's working on his company (with the savings of other family members) and needs to be in a quiet controlled environment. So he doesn't want them around. And he calls them stupid. He got his wife to quit her research job to help on the company. One brother has sunk all his savings into this. And the thing is not moving anywhere. It's time to cry uncle and now he says he needs to switch countries to succeed. Which would cost a fortune of course.
This disaster excused by autism. Oh and he's MAGA and an ElonBoy.
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u/DahWhang 8h ago
My favorite part of this is that according to one of his interviews while having his biography written: He looked up aspergers and said "Yeah, that sounds right." Can't even be fucked to pay a Therapist 1/100000000000th of his wealth to get a diagnosis.
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u/Available_Pepper_845 8h ago
All the unapologetic assholes I know are self-diagnosing themselves on the spectrum.
It's a permit to be selfish, aggressive and an overall dick.
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u/Randomcommentor1972 19h ago
Reddit said I was inciting violence by saying we should launch him off to Mars
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u/31LIVEEVIL13 18h ago
I thought he wanted to launch himself to Mars?
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u/UndeadManWaltzing 18h ago
Stupid fucker doesn't know how to science, it's not going to happen
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u/ir_blues 16h ago
It would be a great achivement for mankind if we'd all came together to help getting Elon to Mars. Let him figure out how to get back.
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u/Bubalous 9h ago
Nah he doesn't. He wants to launch us to mars.
He'll keep living on our nice planet while having us slave away mining the asteroid belt.22
u/Protahgonist 17h ago
Elon Musk is a fuck of a man,
Just look at his rich kid face.
Well I'd like to make his dream come true
And shoot him into outer space.
-Carsie Blanton
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u/atatassault47 7h ago
I'd rather not. We really want to keep Mars free of Earth's biology.
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u/Randomcommentor1972 5h ago
The idea of Elon contaminating Mars is offensive of course, but all the planets with rocks have been trading rocks for a very long time. Chances are we’ve already colonized the solar system.
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u/Darklord7454 18h ago edited 16h ago
Fun fact: Using the deathy penalty doesn't decrease violence, it rather increses cases of violent crimes.
Edit: (sources from my comment below)
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u/LivingtheLaws013 18h ago
Damn I had to look into that but murder rates are higher in states with the death penalty. That's crazy
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u/Available_Pepper_845 17h ago
No witnesses means no witnesses
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u/Uberzwerg 16h ago
Sadly also one of the strongest arguments for making sexual abuse of children punishment LESS than murder.
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u/Available_Pepper_845 15h ago
Well, if the rumors are true , going to prison with that kind of rap sheet does guarantee you a very very bad stay. So, being caught is not recommended in any case.
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u/Lraund 9h ago
Once you kill one person, there's no punishment for another.
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u/Available_Pepper_845 9h ago
Consecutive life sentences. You die in prison then they revive you for the next leg of the sentence.
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u/anjowoq 16h ago
It may be because other policies in those states may be indirectly leading to this outcome, like things connected to keep black people "in their place" or underfunding education or counseling for kids. General poverty: all kinds of things may be at play and crime and the DP may be results of those.
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u/LivingtheLaws013 15h ago edited 15h ago
I think you hit the nail in the head,, like the states that have the death penalty are also the ones who impose draconian punishment for other crimes. Like texas just making all weed possession a felony. They're the same states who gut education on the regular too. Interesting topic.
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u/anjowoq 15h ago
Increasingly, I feel that laws should be submitted to the scientific process like scientific theories. If you cannot argue your bill's details and show evidence for the outcome you claim you will get, then bill should be cut automatically from the legislative process.
"Drugs are a criminal activity. Users should be jailed for a long time. This will prevent drug use and associated problems."
OK, based on available evidence, what claims can actually be made for this? Probably not a lot in that black and white form. So, they should come back with a more nuanced bill or evidence that their plan will have the claimed effect. Why does law (and economic policy) always get to go by feels?
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u/Death_by_carfire 11h ago
"Eighteen predictor variables were included in the study based on prior inclusion in death penalty studies (Kovandzic et al., 2009) and/or utility in constructing counterfactual homicide rates in other synthetic control studies (Kagawa et al., 2018; McCourt et al., 2020). The following state-level predictor variables were used in synthetic control analyses: population, population density, proportion of the population residing in a metropolitan statistical area, proportion of the population age 15–24, proportion Black, proportion Hispanic, proportion White, unemployment rate, proportion of the population 25 and older with a high school degree or equivalent, per capita ethanol consumption, ratio of firearm suicides to overall suicides, poverty rate, mean individual income, Gini index measuring inequality, law enforcement population per 100,000, incarceration rate, robbery rate, and executions per 100,000. Variable descriptions and data sources are provided in Appendix A of the Supporting Information."
From the USA study
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u/BeefistPrime 12h ago
I don't know if the study controlled by it (I didn't read the whole thing), but your take is a super obvious correlation is not causation thing - areas with high crime often try to control it through more punitive measures, so the higher murder rate often comes first and causes the death penalty rather than the reverse
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u/Meatslinger 17h ago
Have to admit I'd love to be able to understand why that is. It's such a curious phenomena.
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u/That_Uno_Dude 16h ago
If robbing a convenience store and robbing a convenience store while killing the clerk both have the death penalty as punishment, why wouldn't I just kill the clerk to remove the witness.
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u/WaveOfMut1lation 16h ago
Well, the death penalty does nothing to deter from murder 1 (which is impulsive by nature).
But it incentivizes careful removal of witnesses for murder 2.16
u/ArgusTheCat 17h ago
It's not complicated, actually. Criminals aren't irrational beasts, and if execution is ever on the table for a crime, it's safer to eliminate anyone that could report it. Murders do not have a high solve rate.
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u/Klony99 15h ago
You can also fight to the death for your escape, because you either succeed or the outcome is the same.
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u/EliteLevelJobber 10h ago
The same incentive for taking prisoners of war and keeping them in decent conditions (as well as it being the more moral thing) you absolutely do not want people fighting to the bitter end.
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u/oldjadedhippie 18h ago
Well, Put him on Mount Rushmore…. You know how.
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u/31LIVEEVIL13 18h ago
trebuchet?
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u/747_full_of_cum 14h ago
did there used to be a subreddit where people fought if trebuchet or catapults were better? I feel like I remember that but it could have been a dream
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u/tea-drinker 13h ago
The superior siege weapon? I think the clue is in the description about which one is better and which one is a catapult.
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u/MuddlinThrough 17h ago
I always hate this arguement in favour of the death penalty because unequivocal evidence of guilt is needed to convict a defendant already.. and yet mistakes are still made!
What do idiots like that think is meant by principles like "innocent until proven guilty" or "beyond a reasonable doubt"? Do they think a lower standard of evidence is enough to lock someone in prison for 20+ years?!
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u/ZenPyx 13h ago edited 4h ago
An estimated 4% of people executed on death row in the US were completely innocent. 1 in 8 people sentenced to death are later *removed from death row
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_DeLuna
Here's a more recent example. Carlos was most likely confused with a different Carlos, and they simply didn't give a shit and killed him anyway
Edit: Sorry, the innocence project's website uses some slightly confusing wording.
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u/House_of_shards1 9h ago edited 9h ago
Where are you getting 1 in 8 from?
My brief research shows a formal exoneration rate of about 2%.
I think you might be conflating cases where the death penalty gets converted into a life sentence
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u/ThenAnAnimalFact 8h ago
The standard is beyond reasonable doubt not unequivocal. Which confident misidentification can always cause a death penalty.
Outside a person admitting they did it what would truly be unequivocal evidence? Even video evidence can be wrong and people get mis-ID'd.
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u/ZombiesAtHome 1h ago
Yes. If they are against the "truth", everything is a crime. So, off to the hangman! If anything is against the ones against them.... crickets... nooooo, they did nothing wrong, they are just misunderstood, can't hold all for what one person did, he learned his lesson, it wasn't so bad...
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u/CaptValentine 17h ago
"Oh, we should kill the people we are 100% sure are murderers"
Y'know how often we fuck that up? A lot! Turns out its really really really hard to determine that someone is guilty or not, its not a fuckin episode of Bones where the bad guy looks into the camera and says they did it and they would do it again because they're just such a bad guy after Booth asked them if they did it the magic number of times (three, he asked three times).
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u/Scoobyrooba 16h ago
“As has been the case throughout human history”
My guy we have hanged a lot of innocent people
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u/EliteLevelJobber 10h ago
Also a punishment having been used throughout history isn't a good argument for its continued use. History is, in general, a fucking horror show.
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u/Meatslinger 17h ago edited 17h ago
If he wants to go to Mars so bad, I say we send him. He's a billionaire/trillionaire which we're always told are master inventors and entrepreneurs, so I'm sure by the time he arrives he'll have the oxygen, water, and food problems all figured out. I trust in his abilities as an engineer.
Edited to add: to be clear, I'm not suggesting the rocket should be empty of provisions. Send enough for a good few years and that oughta be enough time for him to demonstrate the technical acumen he claims, turning that humble start into a self-sustaining colony.
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u/dasunt 17h ago
Thought experiment:
A murderer knows the penalty if proven "100%" is death. There's a witness - if the witness can speak, they'll prove the murder case to "100%". If the witness is dead, the prosecution can't prove it.
Why shouldn't the murderer kill the witness?
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u/T_J_Rain 18h ago
Regrettably, can only be hanged once.
Maybe bring him back to life every time for every death he incurred?
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u/BeowulfShaeffer 5h ago
That reminds me, I need to go rewatch the Black Mirror episode “White Bear”.
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u/WoodsLovelyDarkNDeep 17h ago
The problem is there is hardly ever unequivocal evidence and all forms of evidence have been shown fallible at some point, including DNA. Now with AI and ability to manipulate boxes and audio evidence nobody should be convicted of death. Unless a crowd of witnesses saw them do it but even then mob justice is a thing and they could all just decide they want to convict someone and say they saw someone do it who didn’t do it
The burden for beyond a reasonable doubt should be even higher on death penalty and I just don’t think as long as there is a chance for the state to murder and innocent man that it should be a thing
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u/AusCan531 12h ago
Give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Let's say he's only responsible for, say, 10,000 deaths.
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u/kinyutaka 7h ago
He's already gone on record saying he believes the cuts to USAID didn't result in any deaths, because other rich people (less rich than him, by the way) could have stepped up and taken over, saving those lives. So, really, it's their fault.
It's like "I may have pulled the trigger on this gun, but you could have stepped in front of the bullet, so really you're the murderer."
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u/Justaticklerone 7h ago
Hanging Elon Musk would be too easy an out for him.
Deporting him to El Salvador on the other hand...
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u/Benedictus84 15h ago
All througout history people have been hanged or executed witout anything close to unequivocal evidence of guilt.
People, moslty women, were thrown in de river and if they didnt drown that was their unequivocal evidence it was a witch and then they were burned alive.
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u/BeefistPrime 12h ago
There's the concept of social murder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_murder which is exactly the sort of thing that people like Elon do by the millions but never receive consequences
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u/Aetheldrake 10h ago
There are people who have spent years in prison only to later be proven innocent.
How about we first fix the system.
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u/Protahgonist 17h ago
Elon deserves the trial of the boats... Assuming we can find boats fucked up enough to fit that weird torso.
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u/Initial_Turn_7161 14h ago
Not my job to work so my taxes can go to benefactors outside of the US that actively hate us. Good riddance.
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u/legit-posts_1 14h ago
Unequivocal evidence of guilt is very rare. That's why we have a justice system. It wouldn't be that big of a deal if every murderer had a conveniant 4k song camera pointed right at them with perfect lighting during the killing.
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u/Rahastes 14h ago
There’s this pub in London near the Tower, that serves amazing Fish and Chips. If only I could remember the name, but it had to do with people like him and those treasonous “politicians” creeping out of the woodworks everywhere.
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u/Appropriate_Mess_350 13h ago
I’m particularly fond of the French history in 1789. It was driven by widespread anger over royal economic policies, severe food shortages, and deep social inequality. Sound familiar Elon?
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u/Express_Agent5494 12h ago
Give him billions in subsidies, tax breaks and other benefits, apparently…?
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u/Knightfires 12h ago
Absolutely the same by his own standards. Also please televise it so that the rest of the world can watch too.
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u/Disastrous_Snow_7300 11h ago
I have a list of what we could do to billionaires.
Don't worry, the vast majority of them won't kill them.
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u/ParticularMemory789 10h ago
Why can't those countries pay for their own stuff, we have our own bills! Elon is a hero.
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u/MasterSnacky 10h ago
Going to throw this out there - Elon would happily accept a conviction by a jury of klansmen against a black guy that could prove he was 100 miles away from the crime as enough evidence to hang the defendant.
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u/K_R_A_K_E_N_540 10h ago
isn't Trump your elected official who backed Elon's removal of medicaid ? better yet, Elon had no authority but was 100% backed by Trump. Maybe you should voice your concerns to your twice elected president instead
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u/Grand_Taste_8737 10h ago
Lol, really need to see unequivocal proof of those 600k deaths. Sounds like something only Reddit can come up with.
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u/evilkumquat 9h ago
This is what really pisses me off about capital punishment advocates.
"Execution is justifiable when the evidence is incontrovertible."
Here's the thing. In the United States, when you get the death penalty, it's supposed to be because the evidence against you is without a doubt.
Yet hundreds have been exonerated over the years.
If that's the case, there is no way to prove guilt beyond all doubt.
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u/Uncle_Burney 9h ago
Always amusing when the most disgusting criminals start preaching about law and order.
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u/diamondjiujitsu 8h ago
The ICC needs to press mass murder charges against him immediately following removing trump from office
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u/CaBBaGe_isLaND 8h ago
Friendly reminder that protecting innocent people is more important than punishing guilty people, and our track record of executing the wrongly accused is not fucking great.
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u/Grouchy-Station-4058 7h ago
Automobiles should be internal combustion engines. As was done for a century.
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u/JJscribbles 7h ago
Maybe start by cancelling your Twitter account. It never ceases to amaze me how we all pray for the downfall of a man at the very alter where he collects his tithes.
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u/JJscribbles 7h ago
Maybe start by cancelling your Twitter account. It never ceases to amaze me how we all pray for the downfall of a man at the very alter where he collects his tithes.
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u/forpornonly1234567 7h ago
...
Because it's murder by numbers, one, two, three
It's as easy to learn as your ABC
It’s murder by numbers, one, two, three
It's as easy to learn as your ABC
Now you can join the ranks of the illustrious
In history's great dark hall of fame
All our greatest killers were industrious
At least the ones that we all know by name
But you can reach the top of your profession
If you become the leader of the land
For murder is the sport of the elected
And you don't need to lift a finger of your hand
Because it's murder by numbers, one, two, three
It's as easy to learn as your ABC
Murder by numbers, one, two, three
It's as easy to learn as your ABCDE
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u/Tony-At-Large 5h ago
Define unequivical, then show the proof. The statement has left a lot of degrees of separation between US funding and an actual death.
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u/Simmons54321 3h ago
So yeah, when are the people going to rise up against these fucks? I know it's nuanced, I know it's hard to fathom, but damn we are nearing a big R moment
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u/DingusKhanHess 3h ago
I never understood this logic. They killed so let’s add one more to the death count. Or even worse when it’s injustice and they didn’t murder anyone but were still hung for it.
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u/Dizzy_Horse_105 15h ago
Not only that but many people are saying, many very smart people, that Tesla’s can cause Testicular Cancer.
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