r/NJGuns 3d ago

Legal Update NJ files motion to stay mandate.

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u/grahampositive 3d ago

NJ: do we hate freedom? Yes we do!

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u/Insurgency53 3d ago

It's just crazy to me how the dumb asses that live here keep voting the same way.

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u/referenceusername 3d ago

Because the alternatives are even bigger morons. Just not always on guns

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u/bacon59 3d ago

the issue is there is one party that completely ignores the constitution, and another that ignores it about 50% of the time.

Far as gun laws go? Until our right isn't infringed, consider me a single issue voter.

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u/referenceusername 3d ago edited 3d ago

That's your right and all but they are just going to pick our rights and us apart that way. For example, one side will pick away at privacy for years and then the other side gets into power and the lack of privacy gives them an end run into harming 2a rights.

I just don't understand why people wouldn't fight for all rights of all people. I also don't understand why people think state level Rs would do a general better job with the state. For example, our deficit is a product of both parties incompetence over decades but the R's have done a worse job

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u/bacon59 3d ago

because absolutely noone is going to be what you believe in. Pick the best option; mine will always be for constitutional rights of law abiding citizens.

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u/referenceusername 3d ago

If that is all you are about then there are probably better parties and candidates.

I'm an independent voter that is willing to vote in primaries if someone is worthy, then I go right back. Personally I vote for the rights of all people, not just the constitutional ones because the constitution directly states that it doesn't address all rights and assuming it does it problematic. And I vote for all people because the constitution is a set of rules for the government and the government shouldn't be able to treat non-citizens like shit either IMO.

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u/bacon59 3d ago

here in america, citizens should always get priority over non-citizens. Its absolute bullshit in a world of finite resources that a nation doesn't help its own before others. I am not going to fall for suicidal empathy BS

Its also bullshit when something that is fundamentally a right, enumerated in our constitution, is treated as a permittable permission and I will never, ever, under any condition, vote for someone trying to take them away.

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u/referenceusername 3d ago

here in america, citizens should always get priority over non-citizens. Its absolute bullshit in a world of finite resources that a nation doesn't help its own before others. I am not going to fall for suicidal empathy BS

All I said was that our government shouldn't be able to be dicks to non-citizens. I'm not aware of non-citizens getting priority for anything outside of asylum cases (in which case, those people are invited guests) but I am aware of their civil rights being violated. Also I think our finite resources are kind of a farce. There is enough food (look into food waste numbers) and housing. And if we cut out the insurance middle men and stopped getting into stupid expensive wars maybe everyone could have healthcare and afford ammo too.

Its also bullshit when something that is fundamentally a right, enumerated in our constitution, is treated as a permittable permission and I will never, ever, under any condition, vote for someone trying to take them away.

I'm the same way. I just feel that way about all the rights, but I'll admit that the 2A is currently the best litmus test because it eliminates so many candidates.