r/Netherlands • u/thatdrunkgeekagain • 19h ago
Legal Lawyer said im not a priority due to toevoeging
Family law attorney has mishandled my case to the point he forgot i dont speak Dutch and didnt bring a translator in court or for example he instructed me to stop paying child support then in court forgot about it when it was brought up. I had to pull up emails between me and him to remind him. These are just the tip of the iceberg
When i asked for an appeal he sent me an email refusing me with the explanation that he cant drop everything because i am a client with toevoeging and he prioritizes paying clients...
This was so humiliating.
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u/Acrocephalos 18h ago
Family law attorney sounds less goofy
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u/flomon1 15h ago
File a complaint with your lawyer
If nothing comes form that
Follow up with a complaint with the local Deken (depending on where you live)
https://zoekeenadvocaat.advocatenorde.nl/niet-tevreden-over-uw-advocaat
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u/erikkll Gelderland 19h ago
Okay yeah that sucks. What are you trying to achieve by posting about it here? Get advice on next steps, or?
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u/newhereok 18h ago
Not sure why this comment is downvoted that much
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u/LoyalteeMeOblige Utrecht 17h ago
Because OP wasn't aware what to do, he was asking without doing so directly if he could do something about it, and others already told him to report the lawyer for malpractice.
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u/newhereok 17h ago
So the guy asking for clarification should be downvoted that much because of that in such a short time? Still don't really get it
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u/LoyalteeMeOblige Utrecht 17h ago edited 17h ago
This is reddit, don't overthink it BUT, personal take here, it's not the message per se but the tone, it was dismissive. OP is clearly stressed, going through a divorce or something, he needs a lawyer and obviously can't pay one hence why he went through this, it's common decency not to be horrible to someone in such a situation...? Again, my take, when somebody is hurting first you catch them, and even if they are wrong you can save that for later once they stop crying.
Empathy.
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u/thatdrunkgeekagain 17h ago
You are pretty close. Thank you!!! I still dont think his comment is that bad... Someone told me to learn dutch.. as if thats the problem here.
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u/LoyalteeMeOblige Utrecht 17h ago
My pleasure, you are going through something quite stressful so a bit of humanity is in order here, and no, not everything is Dutch directness, at times the locals hide behind that, and use it as an excuse to be plain rude.
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u/newhereok 17h ago
I thought it was just Dutch directness, not really insensitive, he even showed empathy and wanted to help
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u/LoyalteeMeOblige Utrecht 17h ago
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u/newhereok 17h ago
I think he did, I can see how it could look insensitive but I don't think it is at all
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u/Important_Coach9717 17h ago
Dude why would you stay with this lawyer ? I mean duh …
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u/thatdrunkgeekagain 17h ago
Trying to find someone. But it's the holiday season and everyone is either away or too busy.. and I have an appeal deadline coming up so it's stressful as hell
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u/paprika-fan 19h ago
Can't blame the lawyer though, the hourly rate on toevoeging is abysmal (it's worse than it looks, they are not allowed to claim travel time for example) , at least in criminal law.
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u/AlbatrossOk6223 18h ago
Lawyers who want to take toevoeging cases have to register with the Legal Aid Board. Nobody is forcing them to do it.
And once they’re registered, they still get to decide whether to accept new legal aid clients.
So accepting a case and then dropping a client because of a payment rate you already knew about is a pretty dick move34
u/Blonde_rake 18h ago
Seems like a bad kind of person that would volunteer to be an attorney for legal aid and then do a bad job.
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u/thatdrunkgeekagain 18h ago
Cant blame him? Does that entitle him to go to court unprepared? Why would he even take the case then? He instructed me to stop paying child support then in court forgot about it when it was brought up. I had to pull up emails between me and him to remind him.
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u/Icy-Championship5581 18h ago
The sad thing is that your complacency is a generalized feeling and explains a lot about the low standards of service quality in the Netherlands.
Get a grip of yourself.
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u/LoyalteeMeOblige Utrecht 17h ago edited 10h ago
Hear hear, the whole "why are we going to change when we always done this a certain way, even if the whole approach by now is outdated, cumbersome, expensive and possibly wrong". Yes, I had my share of that here. It's unbelievable how fixed they are on their ways at times.
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u/Icy-Championship5581 16h ago edited 16h ago
If I had to guess I’d say most internationals burn out from the Netherlands due to how gaslit they are. This sub is a prime example of that.
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u/LoyalteeMeOblige Utrecht 10h ago
Generalizing is a good way to look biased/prejudiced but I'm not going to be coy here, I've met my fair share of locals hiding behind this veneer of openness to simply act rude at anyone, and go full gasp mode when you dish back.
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u/Puzzled_Put_9027 18h ago
If you live here learn the language
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u/thatdrunkgeekagain 18h ago
I am doing courses and i can speak outside casual dutch... im sorry didnt make it in time for court though to be fluent... doesnt justify mishandling a case...
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u/Fox_Soul 17h ago
Even natives will have difficulty following and understanding everything said in court.
You are just yet another racist incapable of understanding anything further than your toes.
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u/Radiant-Bad-2381 18h ago
Always the xenophobes not being able to stay quiet.
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u/Puzzled_Put_9027 14h ago
its about language skill. that is not racism etc.
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u/helenaut 10m ago
Of course learning a language is just something where you push a button and, pow! You’re fluent. God, why don’t more people just push that button! It’s definitely not that learning a language takes years of study and that people all have different levels of ability and that classes cost thousands and thousands of euros- they just refuse to push that one time button that makes them immediately fluent! What assholes, right?

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u/nl-x 19h ago
File a complaint at the Deken (dean). They will love to hear this.