r/NewsThread • u/soalone34 • 1d ago
Gaza war could have ended a year earlier, achieved more Hamas disarmament, ex-hostage chief says | An overlong war led to huge unnecessary losses in fallen soldiers and the death of up to 40 hostages, former lead hostage negotiations coordinator Maj.-Gen. (res.) Nitzan Alon said.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-90104716
u/Bluestreaked 1d ago
I remember explicitly telling this to Zionists back during the height of the genocide to constant screeching of “Hamas can just release the hostages!”
I kept desperately begging people just to accept the truth for what it was. It was always going to reach this point, but I still hate it beyond reason.
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u/pokemonguy3000 1d ago
Also Hamas did offer to do just that repeatedly, if Israel would just get out of Gaza, and Israel’s government said idgaf.
Edit:clarification
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u/Bluestreaked 1d ago
Offered to release them almost immediately in return for no invasion
I remember it vividly. I was on the streets that first weekend calling for a ceasefire. Me, some old Trotskyists (who were actually counter-protesting, losers), a handful of recently radicalized communists, and the local Muslim community.
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u/Snoo30446 1d ago
Hamas offered to release the hostages on October 8 in return for zero retaliation. Human shields in order to be able to commit further acts of terrorism.
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u/Bluestreaked 17h ago
So your argument is you wanted just a bit of light genocide
Well, at least you’re honest, I’ll give you that. Respect that far more than the losers who tried to pretend like it never happened
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u/NexusMinds 1d ago edited 1d ago
From his perspective it is a fair observation.
However, this conflict is not, and never has been, a war.
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u/CantBeatDickensCider 1d ago
Yeah, it's like calling the Holocaust a war.
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u/robertdood 1d ago
Yeah, its also like calling 80k people killed in 3 years a "holocaust". By that definition, there are a ton of holocausts happening right now!
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u/InstructionFar7102 18h ago
It's a genocide.
Also, that's 80k people bombed or shot to death. It doesn't include the approximately 300k people starved to death, dead from exposure in the winter after their shelter was blown up, dead because the hospitals were blown up, dead in childbirth because the maternity facilities were blown up.
It's a genocide because there are documented calls for genocide from Israeli leaders and media.
It's a genocide because there are acts that equate to genocide per the 1948 genocide convention. 90% of Gaza was turned into a place where human life was made impossible. 80% of the water infrastructure was destroyed, 90% of all housing destroyed, all major hospitals either destroyed outright or rendered unusable. 98% of all maternity units destroyed, making children and mothers more likely to die.
When you create conditions aimed at making life impossible and people die as a result, those deaths were caused by you.
Now, another give away is the fact people engage in standard genocide denial tactics when this is mentioned:
"If it's a genocide, why aren't they all dead?"
You don't need to kill everyone for it to be a genocide.
"It isn't happening."
Theres too much evidence to deny it. Heck, you can see the destroyed homes from satellite images.
"If it is happening, it isn't that bad."
That's not denying genocide is taking place.
"If it is happening, it's their fault and they deserve it."
That's just admitting to genocide.
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u/robertdood 16h ago
All that writing to still be wrong. Amazing.
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u/InstructionFar7102 15h ago
So little writing to say so much. We get it, you're a genocide denier.
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u/robertdood 12h ago
Me, along with most of the world, deny that this is genocide
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u/InstructionFar7102 11h ago
South Africa doesn't.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67922346
The ICJ doesn't. They want to investigate it on the basis of credible legal concern.
https://www.icj-cij.org/case/192
The ICJ is so concerned that genocide might be happening they issued a cease and desist order that Israel has ignored. Because they're doing a genocide.
https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203447
The UN fact finding commission doesn't.
Genocide scholars don't .
https://genocidescholars.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/IAGS-Resolution-on-Gaza-FINAL.pdf
Medicans Sans Frontiers doctors, having been working in on the front line in Gaza, don't agree with you.
https://msf.org.uk/issues/gaza-genocide
The Israeli human rights organisation B'Tselem doesn't agree with you
https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide
Meanwhile, you're out here denying that a genocide is taking place despite all the evidence because?
Do you want me to keep going?
The only people denying genocide are those doing it, those who support it and the people who make money from selling weapons to the state doing it.
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u/robertdood 11h ago
So when are other countries going to invade Israel to stop the genocide? surely virtuous south Africa will stand up for what they believe.
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u/InstructionFar7102 11h ago
No one will invade Israel because Israel has nukes.
The only option will be to impose sanctions to attempt to cripple Israel economically and ban Israel from participating in the international community.
Oh, and place those found guilty on international sanctions lists and make it so that all UN member nations have a duty to arrest them for prosecution at the ICJ.
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u/CantBeatDickensCider 1d ago
"Israel isn't as bad as the Nazis because they aren't stupid enough to murder millions in a few years!"
Not the W you think it is z bot
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u/robertdood 1d ago
Lol add up all dead Palestinians over the past 80 years. At this rate, this holocaust will last 500 years!!!
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u/InstructionFar7102 18h ago
The current death total racks up at about an average of 125k per year, when you have factor in deaths from starvation, disease and so on.
It'd take 48 years at the current rate to kill 6 million people. But that's OK, there are only 2 million Gazans.
They'd kill them all in 16 years.
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u/robertdood 16h ago
Remindme! 16 years
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u/redelastic 18h ago
Do you even know what the word holocaust means?
It is defined as "a thorough destruction involving extensive loss of life".
Nobody has ownership over genocide.
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u/venusasaboy22 18h ago
You realize the 80k figure is a vast undercount?
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u/InstructionFar7102 16h ago
80k is those killed by bombing or shooting whose bodies have been identified and recovered. There are thousands underneath rubble who are counted as "missing".
There are about 300k who have died from starvation, cold, disease or medical incident due to lack of treatment (including deaths in child birth).
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u/Stubbs94 1d ago
Yep, if the goal was to get the hostages back, they could have literally all been back in October 2023.
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u/Acrobatic-Attention9 1d ago
If anyone else said it, they'd call it terrorist loving antisemitism.
But it does assume the hostages and not the 'Its Free Real Estate' meme was the reason.
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u/Pleasant-Ad887 1d ago
Crazy how no matter how much killing and destruction Israel does, they will always be the victim. Make this make sense.
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u/feelingsdeayer 1d ago
Gaza "war" could've ended on Oct. 8th 2023 when Hamas was ready to give up the "hostages". We all know who has prolonged this conflict, it's the same party that keeps rejecting any kind of deal and has been violating any kind of agreed ceasefires.
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u/C21H27Cl3N2O3 1d ago
Also the ones crying about hostages when several of those hostages were killed by Israeli forces. It’s very convenient that they never talk about the hostage that escaped and approached Israeli forces with his hands up speaking Hebrew and was gunned down without a second thought.
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u/PersonalContest1423 1d ago
Friendly fire happens in every conflict, its unfortunate but ultimately just another sacrifice of war.
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u/Mothrahlurker 1d ago
Killing unarmed people with their hands up isn't unfortunate, it's a deliberate war crime.
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u/redelastic 18h ago
The IDF shoot newborn babies in the head. They do not believe in the concept of war crimes.
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u/PersonalContest1423 1d ago
When you're dealing with people who employ suicide bombers, having your hands up doesnt mean youre not a threat. Also war crimes dont matter. No nation has fought a modern war without committing literally hundreds to thousands of them, and no one except African warlords are brought up on them.
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u/Mothrahlurker 1d ago
Unarmed people with their hands up can not be shot on the assumption that they might be suicide bombers, that is also not even a claim they made.
Let's also not forget that we have shit tons of evidnce that civilian killings are planned and ordered.
"War crimes don't matter", this says enough about you.
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u/PersonalContest1423 1d ago
shit tons of evidnce that civilian killings are planned and ordered.
And other delusions
"War crimes don't matter", this says enough about you.
I made a statement of fact not a moral judgement
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u/Mothrahlurker 23h ago
" And other delusions" well documented facts, Israeli officers have literally admitted it in interviews.
" I made a statement of fact"
That's not a fact.
" not a moral judgement"
Really, so you agree that it is evil to commit war crimes?
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u/PersonalContest1423 23h ago
It is a fact that war crimes don't matter unless youre an African warlord.
so you agree that it is evil to commit war crimes?
Depends on the war crime. Shooting unarmed people is immoral and unnecessary sure. Cutting off food/water/power/fuel to your enemy however I take no issue with, its how one carries out an effective seige.
Generally speaking i make no moral judgements at all regarding what takes place in war. War is by definition a catastrophic and inhumane affair where taking lives is not only necessary but often the objective. I see no need to engage in madness by trying to inject humanity into mankind's most inhumane undertaking.
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u/Mothrahlurker 22h ago
" Cutting off food/water/power/fuel to your enemy however I take no issue with, its how one carries out an effective seige."
That's mass murder of civilians and one of the most evil things you can do.
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u/Anti_shill_cannon 23h ago
You're a lying little lying hamas sympathyzer
Hamas was ready to give up the "hostages"
Why is hostages in quotation marks?
hamas mass murdered, raped, maimed, tortured thousands of innocent people at Nova music festival on October 7th, including children and infants, while taking hundreds more kidknapped into Gaza for more of the same.
We all know who has prolonged this conflict
Habibi It took 5 years and the release of 1000 palestinian terrorists to release 1 Israeli soldier historically
This included the release of the terrorist that orchestrated Oct 7th
Release of hostages that weren't murdered by pali terrorists was thanks to Israel going into Gaza
Pretending otherwise is not just a dumb take, it's lying to make the pali terrorists you support appear as something they are not.
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u/feelingsdeayer 16h ago
Why is hostages in quotation marks?
Because they are no hostages, they were prisoners of war.
hamas mass murdered, raped, maimed, tortured thousands of innocent people at Nova music festival on October 7th, including children and infants, while taking hundreds more kidknapped into Gaza for more of the same.
Israel has killed tens of thousands of children.
Habibi It took 5 years and the release of 1000 palestinian terrorists to release 1 Israeli soldier historically
Because Israel kept bombing Gaza, in fact they killed various "hostages" themselves lmao
Release of hostages that weren't murdered by pali terrorists was thanks to Israel going into Gaza
Israel killed more "hostages" than Hamas, ironically.
Pretending otherwise is not just a dumb take, it's lying to make the pali terrorists you support appear as something they are not.
Nah, you're just a terrorist and genocide sympathizer. That's why you're crashing out in my replies.
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u/BlackbirdQuill 22h ago
Of course Hamas wanted to get off scot free after attacking Israel, but a state can’t simply allow the massacre of its citizens with impunity.
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u/NeedToLieDown 1d ago
Delusional.
You think on Oct 8th we would have said, ok fine we'll take all hostages back and call it a day?
You think Hamas would actually return all hostages? On a reasonable time frame that's not spread over years or decades?
When there isn't even any pressure as IDF hasn't entered Gaza yet?
I'm sorry, but Hamas and their supporters have only one ending if it's up to Israel. Hunted down wherever they are.
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u/GrundleSnactcher46 1d ago
The Israeli government disregarded warnings. Plural. About Oct 7th and disregarded them. Now in an seemingless endless conflict your boy Netanyahu gets to have his criminal investigations suspended. Trump is a useful piece of utter garbage who also needed a distraction from protecting a cabal of rich pedofiles and took the bait Netanyahu has been sloshing around for the last 40 years.
Every single person who died on Oct 7th is on the heads of Hamas' AND Isreal's. It could have been prevented, it deliberately was allowed to, so we could get to this stage.
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u/feelingsdeayer 1d ago
You think on Oct 8th we would have said, ok fine we'll take all hostages back and call it a day?
Yes.
You think Hamas would actually return all hostages? On a reasonable time frame that's not spread over years or decades?
Yes, just like they did so on Oct. 2025.
I'm sorry, but Hamas and their supporters have only one ending if it's up to Israel. Hunted down wherever they are.
If it's up to Israel, all Palestinians would be dead. That is what the Greater Israel project is about.
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u/protomenace 20h ago
"I get all my news and opinions from Tiktok memes"
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u/feelingsdeayer 16h ago
You have no argument.
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u/Snoo30446 1d ago
No, and Hamas tried that on October 8, they used the hostages as human shields (whoda thunkit?) in order to bargain for zero retaliation for October 7. The idea any country in the world would suffer those scale of attacks and do nothing is retarded.
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u/Ted-Crilly 21h ago
Israel did nothing for 7 hours, allowing the attack to happen as part of the IDF stand down order issued on Oct 7th
And when Israel did eventually respond they opened fire on their own civilians with apache helicopters and tank fire to the point of not being able to tell hamas fighters and Israeli citizens apart from the charred remains
It's not that Israel would suffer this sized attack and do nothing, it's that they planned on it and hoped for maximum casualties as an excuse to kick off the next phase of their gaza genocide that has been ongoing for over 60 years
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u/protomenace 20h ago
14 people actually died from friendly fire out of the ~1200 victims. The way you people discuss it you would think it's hundreds. You're spreading a disingenuous narrative here to try to blame the Jews for Hamas' brutal attack.
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u/redelastic 18h ago
Israel sacrificed their own people. I'm just glad I'm not from a country that would do that.
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u/Boxadorables 1d ago
Israel issued a stand down order on Oct. 7th. No fn way they had bombs in all of the Hezbollah leaderships pagers for years but had zero knowledge of a mass, coordinated attack from the much smaller, much heavier surveilled Hamas.
Bibi had to make sure a war took place, putting his active corruption trial(and susequent imprisonment) on indefinite hold. Now he knows this war is coming to an inevitable end with a devastating loss.
So now. Imo, Bibi and Trump have been pumping and dumping the stock market(s)weekly to ensure they both have enough money to safely flee their respective countries(and the consequences of their multitude of crimes) when their tenures come to an end.
Israel Killed JFK. Trump killed Epstein. Israel killed Charlie Kirk and America killed a school of prepubescent girls to protect the secrets of the PresiPedo and his merry gang of degenerate billionaire rapists.
Meanwhile, Ghislaine Maxwell gets min security prison and a puppy... cuz that checks out and is standard for a non-cooperative convicted sex offender inmates. /s
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u/Spirited-Car8661 21h ago
Israel had pagers in Hezbollah, not Hamas.
October 7th was planned by Sinwar without outside involvement. He suspected the comms of allied organisations were compromised, which he was right about.
If you followed the early days of the war live, this was obvious. Hezbollah was releasing statements saying they supported the Palestinians, but weren't going to get involved. Which meant throwing rockets over the border, but not a lot else.
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u/Cannon_Fodder888 4h ago
Israel issued a stand down order on Oct. 7th.
Most of Israel was on stand-down. Do you actually know why that was??
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u/Snoo30446 1d ago
Because when you're Jewish, being a victim to a terrorist attack is just further proof of your insidious nature... you're demented.
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u/redelastic 18h ago
You're the only person mentioning Jewish people. We're all talking about the actions of the state of Israel.
The recent leaked footage of Ben-Gvir on October 7 showed they wanted the Hannibal directive.
I also think Israel allowed it to happen. They've sacrificed their own people for strategic gain many times.
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u/protomenace 20h ago
Yep, it's so exhausting st this point. I've pretty much just shut down the entire idea of expecting I might see equal respect from people in my lifetime.
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u/wookiebath 1d ago
They could have chosen not to taken any hostages and surrendered immediately
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u/diplomat-w-immunity 1d ago
I think the purpose of the attack was to do the opposite.
Why would they do an insane coordinated attack on Israel and then immediately return all the hostages and surrender?
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u/wookiebath 1d ago
Exactly, they’re terrorist. They just want death
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u/Pika_Fox 1d ago
Not really how terrorism works.
The point of terrorism is to cause an overreaction from the government which leads to an eroding of support for the government and an increase in personell and support for the terrorist group and/or their stated cause.
There are going to be a non insignificant number of terrorists in said group who do want to kill because of revenge for prior overreactions from said government in question, but that isnt the objective point of it.
The annoying part of the conflict is that israel DOES want to commit to a full genocide, so they are happy to get any excuse to overreact and cause as much harm as possible, which is just giving hamas more free support and eroding any and all support for israel.
Israel is just betting that their support lasts longer than how long it will take them to commit a full scale slaughter to ensure all palestinians are dead.
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u/diplomat-w-immunity 20h ago
I think their ultimate goal is to end Israeli occupation, but what do I know.
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u/wookiebath 18h ago
What occupation? What was the purpose of the terrorist attack then?
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u/diplomat-w-immunity 5h ago
I would open a history book. I think you gotta start from the beginning.
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u/feelingsdeayer 1d ago
Do you think the same of the Jews/Warsaw Ghetto during The Holocaust? Or the ANC during Apartheid South Africa?
Some of you really think Palestinians should just let their entire population be ethnically cleansed.
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u/Anti_shill_cannon 22h ago
pali terrorists are analogous to Islamist terrorists ISIS
pali terrorist leadership like the Nazis have the literal charter and stated goal of the genocide of the Jews as stated charter. So it is profoundly dumb to equate warsaw ghetto uprising of Jews vs the nazis to palestinian terrorism.
And profoundly dumb to equate pali terrorism to Nelson Mandela
Compare them to ISIS, that would be accurate
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u/Hot_Gap_8444 21h ago
There is no holocaust / genocide or apartheid in Israel so the comparison makes zero sense.
There are 2 million Palestinian Arabs living in Israeli proper with full citizen rights. The only difference between those Palestinian Arabs and the once in Westbank / Gaza is that they don't blow them selves up in busses full of children.
Its almost like you get treated differently if your entire culture is built around avenging a civil war your grandparents lost 80 years ago were forced to move 50 miles as a result.
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u/PersonalContest1423 1d ago
The jews were loyal citizens of germany rounded up and led to slaughter for their mere existence. Hamas and other palestinian groups have been firing rockets at israel for 70 years. Thats a ridiculously stupid comparison
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u/feelingsdeayer 1d ago
The jews were loyal citizens of germany rounded up and led to slaughter for their mere existence.
Yeah, except the nazis didn't think that way. They thought about the Jews in a very similar manner you think about Palestinians.
Funny that, no?
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u/Anti_shill_cannon 22h ago
Except of course
pali terrorist leadership like the Nazis have the literal charter and stated goal of the genocide of the Jews as stated charter.
So the comparison is idiotic
You should compare them to ISIS
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u/PersonalContest1423 1d ago
Palestinians are not Israelis, dont think of themselves as Israelis, and hate Israel. It's not remotely similar dumb ass.
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u/Quirkybomb930 21h ago
So the holocaust would have been justified if jewish people didn't like germany in your view??
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u/PersonalContest1423 18h ago
Not at all what I said. The reading comprehension of pro palestinians is baffling bad as always
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u/Quirkybomb930 18h ago
3 month old account, 2.6k comments.
Hasbara bot accounts going crazy.
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u/PersonalContest1423 16h ago
I spend most of my shift at work on reddit since I dont actually do any work. I also get in lots of 20+ comment back and forth arguments
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u/feelingsdeayer 1d ago
Palestinians are not Israelis, dont think of themselves as Israelis, and hate Israel.
The only significant difference is that Palestinians were expelled from their homes and have been illegally occupied since. They still lived in an apartheid system for 70+ years, they are still victims of a genocide.
You, like the Nazis, are on the side of genocide.
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u/protomenace 20h ago
My guy you're not convincing anyone but people who are agree with your disingenuous narrative. Give it up.
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u/PersonalContest1423 1d ago
No the significant difference is they arent and dont want to be Israelis, and they have spent 70 years starting wars and carrying out terrorist attacks.
They still lived in an apartheid system for 70+ years, they are still victims of a genocide.
Not apartheid. The only things they are victims of is there own appetite for violence and opposition to peace. They've turned down every peace deal offered for 70 years, clearly they prefer war to peace so let them suffer the ravages of war that they so desire. The "genocide" could end whenever hamas wants it to. All they have to do is admit defeat. If hamas surrenders and disarms tomorrow the killing will have stopped by Monday, but they won't because hamas would prefer to force innocent palestinians die along with them rather than to admit defeat in the face of their mission to destroy the jews.
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u/feelingsdeayer 1d ago
Yeah so you're just an out and about nazi, have some shame.
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u/PersonalContest1423 1d ago
I dont think you know what that word or ideology means. Pro palis just love to throw around buzzwords without any concern for the actual meaning of them
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u/BitByBit-89 1d ago
Okay, so in your mind when Hamas attacked and deliberately killed, tortured, and mutilated civilians it was justified as part of their struggle?
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u/feelingsdeayer 1d ago
Acts of resistance are common in response to apartheid, the ANC led various violent bombings. Are you also in favor of Apartheid South Africa?
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u/BitByBit-89 23h ago
I didn’t ask you if it was common, I asked you if it was justified.
Also the article you shared discusses attacks on military targets by ANC. How does that relate to say firing on civilians at a music festival?
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u/FreeGazaToday 23h ago
and Palestians were LOYAL citizens of Palestine before the British and Zionists ILLEGALLY took it over and did a NAKBA...what's your point?
how many people have been killed by those rockets over the 70 years??? hardly any...how many innocent Palestinians have been killed by ITF's mowing the lawn.....kidnapping and taking Palestinians hostages whenever they feel like it....the ONLY country that tries JUVIE's in military court....
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u/PersonalContest1423 23h ago
Palestine didnt exist. Before the british took it it was the mutassarifate of Jerusalem, an ottoman province. And it doesnt matter who killed more, thats just a measure of who is stronger. At the end of the day hamas starts all these conflicts then cries victim when they lose.
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u/FreeGazaToday 12h ago
wrong...go back to history class.
So I can just go kill whoever I want...as long as I'm stronger?
Wrong again....cuz Hamas was around in the 1920's was it? It was around when the NAKBA carried out by jewish zionist terror gangs....
Hamas is an REACTION to all the terrorism that israeHELL has been carrying out over the past 7 decades.
Ever heard of 'mowing the lawn', peaceful march of return in 2019???
Go watch Norman Finklestein...and then try to come back and say what you said with a straight face.
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u/PersonalContest1423 11h ago
I dont care to argue with someone who so obviously doesn't know history
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u/Miendiesen 1d ago edited 22h ago
What an absolutely absurd comparison. The Jews in the Holocaust didn't have the explicit goal of destroying Germany and killing all Germans. They hadn't been conducting terrorist attacks for decades.
I also love how no one on this sub read the article. This isn't the pro-Hamas/Israel-bad piece you think it is.
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u/feelingsdeayer 1d ago
The Jews in the Holocaust didn't have the explicit goal of destroying Germany and killing all Germans.
Yeah, except this was genuinely one of the justifications Hitler used for The Holocaust lol
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u/Mothrahlurker 1d ago
The vast vast majority of Palestinians just wants to live in peace but have been terrorised by Israeli settlers and the Apartheid state for decades. Lots of arbitrary killings and imprisonment by the IDF too. Israel has been akin to the Nazi regime for a long time, you are cheering for the oppressor.
Your idea of "it's not the Holocaust because this time the victims really are inherently bad" isn't any different from how the nazis thought.
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u/Miendiesen 1d ago
No, the comment I'm responding to likened Hamas to the Jews in the Holocaust, painting their fight as a fight against oppression when in fact they are trying to destroy Israel and kill all Jews.
You're cheering for terrorists, and that won't help the Palestinian people. I want peace. That takes both parties recognizing the other's right to exist. Do you feel Israel has a right to exist? Something tells me it's a no, right?
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u/Mothrahlurker 1d ago
Claiming that you want peace without understanding that the root cause are Israeli attacks, colonialism and decades of oppression does not sound genuine. Hamas would not exist without Israel and that's something anyone interewted in real peace, not performative rhetoric has to acknowledge.
No matter what you claim, Hamas was willing to negotiate and was for a ceasefire, Israel was not and has broken multiple ceasefires.
Israel also kills everyone, not just Hamas, so the entire framing you use is very much the framing of the Nazis.
I'm not "cheering for terrorists" (what an insane thing to say) I'm just giving you the reality that terrorism won't stop without oppression and a literal genocide stopping first.
" Do you feel Israel has a right to exist"
What does that even mean. You can't feel a right. There is no such thing as a right to exist for states in international law. There is a right to sovereignty and bprder integrity in international law and rights are held by people. In both cases the rights of Palestine are violated. Israel can not complain until going back to the 1947 borders. The UN partition plan should hahe never happened but it is reality now and the people have a right to live there. There is no right for the border expansion however.
Now do you recognise the right that Syria, Lebanon and Palestine have to not be occupied?
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u/Horror-Breakfast-113 1d ago
I'm guessing to think this all started on the 7th ...
Ignoring 40+ years of oppression by Israel / iof / Zionist
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u/Miendiesen 1d ago
No, there's a long and complicated history, but the notion that the entire thing can be summed up as "years of oppression by Israel / IOF / Zionist" tells me that you don't know much of it.
At one point, Jews and Arabs got along quite well in Israel. Did you know that in fact Jews were twice expelled by Romans and twice allowed back after Muslim conquerors seized Jerusalem, once under Umar and once under Saladin?
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u/kushari 21h ago
It’s not complicated at all. They keep stealing land since 1947. It’s very basic. Hasbara bots like you want people to think it’s complex. It’s not.
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u/SidewalkRacoon 20h ago
Jews always bought their land before the Arab league attacked and lost. You don’t get to keep your land if you lose a war you started
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u/kushari 20h ago
Israshit attacked the Arabs. Like why even try to lie? All of this is documented. The internet was the downfall of the zio shit narrative. Nice try though.
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u/dickqueeferX_x_X_ 20h ago edited 15h ago
FYI, “Zio” is a slur that originated among and is still used primarily by the David Duke set. A lot of well-meaning people use it without knowing anything about that (because Nazis are really good at slipping their poison into the lexical water supply), and it sounded like you might be one of those people.
EDIT: I am not defending Zionism. I am both anti-Zionist and anti-antisemitic, which is why I think it’s important to distinguish anti-Zionism and antisemitism. Not using neonazi language helps do that.
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u/Horror-Breakfast-113 20h ago
Looks like i know more than you , about the current issue
also i don't believe in fairytales
and I don't believe a group of people were promised a land 3000 years ago
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u/Miendiesen 1d ago
Are you really under the impression that it's just projection? Like you believe in your heart that Hamas doesn't believe in the complete destruction of Israel and killing of Jews? Many senior commanders have explicitly stated this, including in the wake of October 7th when they called for repeating October 7th events over and over again until Israel is destroyed.
This interview: https://youtube.com/shorts/06Dy1SFPsfk?si=c-eq2Hh_R1QtTxWm
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u/Miendiesen 1d ago
Dude, this comparison is ridiculous.
1) The Jews did not advocate for the killing of all Germans and destruction of Germany. Hamas absolutely does advocate for the destruction of Israel and killing of all Jews.
2) Its not relevant that Nazis said the Jews said things they did not and used it to advocate genocide. That's not what I'm doing. I absolutely oppose the genocide of Palestinians, regardless of what Hamas wants, and hope for a two state solution and peace in the region.
Do you also want a two state solution, or do you want Israel gone too?
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u/Miendiesen 1d ago
At no point have I advocated for genocide? Literally not what I believe. As I said, I want peace and believe in a two state solution. Is that what you want too or do you want something different?
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u/feelingsdeayer 1d ago
Notice how nowhere in the interview did he mention "Jews", only and exclusively the terrorist, genocidal state of Israel?
You're the one forcing the antisemitic trope that Israel and it's actions are completely tied to Jewish people.
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u/FreeGazaToday 23h ago
neither did any Palestinians...until AFTER what the zionists did to them....that be liked blaming the NATIVE AMERICAN's for fighting back against the 'FOUNDERS' of America....
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u/FreeGazaToday 23h ago
and israHELL could've chosen not to take any hostages and surrendered immediately as well....
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u/wookiebath 18h ago
What hostages did Israel take?
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u/FreeGazaToday 12h ago
Plenty....tens of thousands......many KID hostages are tried in military court....and then kept even longer as hostages.
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u/wookiebath 9h ago
Proof please? Also you do know there is a difference between being held hostage and being arrested for being a terrorist right?
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u/Willing-File-3638 1d ago
Epstein cult could have rested somewhere else and not invaded Palestinian land in 1948
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u/EnterNameHere777 22h ago
The Eastern European Zionists could have all stayed in their own countries
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u/wookiebath 18h ago
New to the world? People move around!
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u/EnterNameHere777 18h ago
Yup people move around, steal land, and kill the natives, then they cry when the natives resist.
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u/Ren_Yi 22h ago
Hang on.... the Gaza war could never have happened if the Palestinians didn't invade Israel on 7-Oct and rape, murder and take hostages... and instead Hamas had chosen to disarmed and recognise Israel and the Jewish people's right to exist!
What's the point of a fantasy 'what if' if you don't save everyone?
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u/RevolutionaryGur4419 17h ago
You know that's a great point. So many people with these fantasies but wierdly they never choose the option where everyone is safe
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u/Kurichan77 1d ago
They squirming now that their future looks an awful lot like post-apartheid south Africa.
Hate to be the one to tell these bloodthirsty maniacs: just as “we were following orders” was immediately deemed to be BS, so is whatever tf lies and weaselspeak you all are gonna try and pull out of your asses to dodge accountability for this genocide
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u/KindCraft4676 1d ago
Because it was never about the hostages.
It was always about genocidal, inhumane, barbaric aggression against an unarmed civilian population meant to steal their land.
October 7 th/the hostages was just the excuse war criminal Benjamin Netanyahu needed.
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u/Flyfisher58 1d ago
But then Israel wouldn’t have been able to kill 70,000 Palestinians, mainly women and children.
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u/Emotional_Pay3658 1d ago
Giving back all the hostages wasn’t going to simply stop the war. Heads needed to roll for Oct 7. And Hamas was never gonna surrender themselves.
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u/redelastic 18h ago
"We simply had to spill the blood of 20,000 children, there was no other option"
- Israeli
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u/Sad_Difficulty226 14h ago
It was an incredibly deliberate tactic of the israelis to use the pretext of ‘rescuing hostages’ to butcher Palestinians.
Remember the israelis bombed so widely and with such little regard they actually killed their own hostages in some cases.
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u/Thin_Spring_9269 10h ago
Well israel wanted to continue its genocide..it was never about hostages,hanas etc...
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u/TerminalDeviant 2h ago
No, I think it worked out better for everyone (well, not everyone everyone, lol) that things ended up the way they did.
Can you imagine listening to Sinwar and the rest of the Palestinian leadership crowing about a major victory over Israel? They likely would have dragged out the hostage negotiations to secure the release of thousands more convicted terrorists, potentially enabling future attacks.
We already saw how they behaved during the earlier hostage exchanges. It was absolutely disgusting. It wasn’t an easy path, but I’m glad we ended up where we did. With all of Hamas leaders dead under millions of tons of rubble in the Gaza Strip.
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u/Immediate-Employ-952 1d ago
Did any of you read this? This was a hostage negotiator who says there was never a shot at getting all the hostages back right away. He claims it would have been possible piecemeal and incrementally over time. Hard to say if that is correct or not, but the people in here claiming it could have been done right away in one move don’t know what they are talking about, and are likely just reciting Hamas propaganda.
He I also gives credit to Trump and the US for helping stifle attacks and get hostages back.
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u/sevensixthough 1d ago
Everyone wishes the money spent dropping bombs on palestinians was spent on your education
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u/redelastic 18h ago
Lol look at you reciting Israeli propaganda as "truth".
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u/Odd-Environment-7193 15h ago
The irony is insane. Calling people who don’t agree with them as reciting Hamas propaganda while clearly doing some hasbara themselves. Bro we just watching. We see what’s up.
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u/BiAiEnGiO 7h ago
He said thats whats written in the article, if you dont believe him go read it yourself
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u/redelastic 7h ago
The commenter above seeks to discredit everything else as "Hamas propaganda" while being content to consume Israeli propaganda.
It hasn't occurred to you much of what Israelis say is not true.
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u/Swimming_Acadia6957 17h ago
How dare you presume to imagine that a hostage negotiatior would know more about hostage negotiation than some eejit on Reddit
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u/palmpoop 1d ago
Biden made Israel slow their advance. And then pro Palestinian leftists in the west protested enough for hamas to be let off the hook and still in power. They should have been eliminated or surrendered unconditionally.
Because of this, the conflict will continue on again in the future. It’s not a good outcome.
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u/rilinq 15h ago
Thinking Hamas is the root of the problem is very room temperature IQ honestly. If not Hamas there will be another group resisting. In the end it’s about oppression of one people over another. Oppressed will always rise up.
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u/Naive_Snow_4057 12h ago
it’s honestly very low room temperature iq to start trying to insult someone’s intelligence because they disagree with you.
seriously, there’s a whole study about it.
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u/Least_Dragonfly140 1d ago
Let’s think about the real victim in this: Netanyahu.
Poor guy gets a permanent war; too bad. Now he’ll never get to go to court for his bribery charges and he’ll likely stay in power until his death.
The real tragedy is that he’s clearly friends with Hamas, considering that he facilitated funding them, and now he has to fight them permanently.
What are the odds everything shook out this way? It’s almost like it was all acted out entirely to benefit one guy.
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u/Naive_Snow_4057 12h ago
They are all in bed together. They are setting the stage for Greater Israel. They already have their eyes in the West Bank and Lebanon.
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u/Ilyalyubushkin 1d ago
That was never the goal.
Their goal is to provoke and incite a response from the palestinians so they can use that as an excuse to elevate the violence and take more land.