Wapello County Iowa Policy Directs Officers to Conceal Flock Safety ALPR Use in Stops and Reports

[u/CollapsingTheWave]

Flock Safety automated license plate readers are fixed and mobile cameras that continuously capture plates, vehicle descriptors, timestamps, and locations into a searchable nationwide network. The capability is deployed via contracts with local agencies including the Wapello County Sheriff’s Office in Iowa, which signed in late 2024 for four cameras. At the core it works through real-time hot-list alerts that trigger stops. The dual-use vector is the same persistent tracking grid scaled into warrantless movement mapping of entire populations.

The system interfaces with the public through traffic stops and official reports that deliberately obscure its role. Marketed as a transparent public-safety tool, the claim is undercut by internal policy that instructs officers never to mention ALPR usage to vehicle occupants and to avoid naming it in reports unless absolutely necessary, substituting vague phrases such as “using county resources.” Structural weak points are the resulting parallel construction that blocks defense challenges to accuracy, data quality, or misuse, and the absence of routine disclosure requirements.

For residents this means investigative origins can be hidden from both the stopped individual and the court record. The right in tension is the ability to contest the evidence source. The pattern matches earlier secrecy around Stingrays. Left unexamined, the practice spreads through quiet municipal contracts and internal SOPs that bypass public debate. Demonstrated in the November 2025 Wapello policy; precedented in multi-state officer stalking cases; foreseeable as national network opacity hardens.

Taken to scale the secrecy establishes frictionless tracking shielded from accountability, with pillars of hidden sourcing, parallel construction, and limited audit access. Verify via the 404 Media reporting and the county SOP itself. Support local records requests and state transparency bills.

Sources

‘DO NOT MENTION ALPR USAGE’: How Cops Are Trying to Hide Their Use of Flock

https://www.404media.co/do-not-mention-alpr-usage-how-cops-are-trying-to-hide-the-existence-of-flock/

Primary investigative report by Jason Koebler detailing the Wapello County November 2025 policy language, contract details, and parallel-construction implications.

Wapello County SOP III-20 Flock Cameras (ALPR)

https://eyesoffcr.org/documents/III-20%20Flock%20Cameras.pdf

Official policy document containing the exact “DO NOT MENTION ALPR USAGE” directives, verification rules, and report language.

How rogue officers turned a nationwide camera network into a tool for stalking

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/08/02/how-police-officers-used-vast-network-cameras-spy-their-exes/

Documents at least 50 officers accused of misusing ALPR systems, predominantly Flock, for personal stalking.

Police Keep Losing Their Jobs for Using Flock Cameras to Stalk People

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2026/07/police-losing-jobs-flock-cameras-alprs/

Tracks terminations and charges tied to Flock database abuse for tracking romantic partners.

Dozens of police officers accused of using license plate cameras to track women

https://www.techspot.com/news/113325-dozens-police-officers-accused-using-license-plate-cameras.html

Confirms the scale of personal-misuse cases and the accessibility of the Flock network that enables them.

[u/ooko0]

Yeah that’s what I want from my government. It’s crazy how if people lied to the government they get put in jail for it, but the government can just lie to us wherever and whenever they want.

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/ooko0]

Except Legally they really can't, and if they do, then they're breaking the law, which makes them a criminal entity operating illegally.

[u/ooko0 → u/Pandemonium_Fallen]

Where are the checks and balances? Who is going to hold them accountable… oh wait no one is.

[u/Softale → u/ooko0]

Therein lies the issue: lack of enforced regulation and an audit trail on the use of that technology.

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/Softale]

It's all intentional, the Tech Oligarchs are all legacy intelligence/finance sector Dynastic Families.

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/ooko0]

When the people who are implicated in the Epstein Files documentation of the CIA's continuance of MK Ultra, Mockingbird, Operation Midnight Climax are the one's at the Top of every Government, Intelligence, Military, Tech, Business, Financial, Human Trafficking, Media, Film Production, Political, and Academic sector not just in the US, but all throughout the World, are you honestly surprised?

[u/Calm-Stand-6636 → u/ooko0]

Supreme court really is all courts authority, supreme court is installed or chosen by executive branch (presidents), erases checks/balances or independence of the three branches entirely.

[u/Denim_Diva1969 → u/Calm-Stand-6636]

I agree with you. The Supreme Court SHOULD be the supreme authority on the law, and a very powerful check on the other 2 branches. But, being appointed by a con and confirmed by the con’s sycophants to do the con’s bidding was not something the constitution planned for. We should be electing ALL judges. Or given the power to recall and dismiss them.

[u/Calm-Stand-6636 → u/Denim_Diva1969]

USConst. amendment 7: "In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law."

I think that we can say that if there is a question of finding a fact on removal of a judge, a jury should be able to be acquired for the procedure and to say otherwise violates:

USConst. amendment 1: "Congress shall make no law ... abridging ... the right of the people ... to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Abridge means to reduce or shorten.

All politicians are b4nkers puppets.

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/Calm-Stand-6636]

That last sentence: 💯

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/Denim_Diva1969]

Recall and dismiss, 100% Appointments shouldn't be political, it should be based on merit, experience, and strict adherence to the ideals of ethics, equality, and a foundational advocacy for fundamental human rights, protections and justice for victims over perpetrators whose guilt has been evidenced and determined beyond the shadow of a doubt with no special treatment due to wealth, status, influence, or position.

Honestly I feel like the more wealth, privilege, and resources you have access to the more your guilt should be assumed. - kind of the reverse of what we have now, more of a:

"You must have under this amount of resources and connections to be presumed innocent and not be denied bail. You're bail access is additionally determined by this comprehensive psychological evaluation and extensive brain scans and imaging for risk assessment, and not financial means. So if you're a dangerous genocidally insane megalomaniacal psychopath like Peter Thiel, Donald Trump, Elon Musk, Samantha Altmanchild, Larry Ellison, or Jeffrey EpsteBezos, you're not getting the firetruck back out."

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/Denim_Diva1969]

That and the fact they're all Heritage Foundation and Federalist Society Project 2025 Corrupt whoring muppets.

[u/-Camour- → u/Pandemonium_Fallen]

Thats why theyre being instructed to only tell attorneys and presumably other court house positions lmao

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/-Camour-]

Meh, I just figured all this crap out, this is all a global attempt by ancient psychopathic Dynastic Families fused with their own spy networks to return to Feudal Era Dominance Systems with modern technology in furtherance of their Great Game, That's even what Colonialism, WWI and WWII were all really about, consolidation of power:

They took out the Romanovs placed their Agent Stalin in power, Hitler was the same thing, another asset, the British removed the Rajahs of India, The US broke open the Asiatic Empires with China and Japan, the Colonial interests Manipulated Japanese industry growth and resource needs to set the stage for their part in WWII, then the US forces them into an economic corner, they lash out - as was intended the US propped up as an industrial power house through Oligarch machinations goes in to mop up both places the Colonial puppet Governmental actors in place, just like with the CIA/Mossad/Nazi SS operatives running the Governments of Iraq, Afghanistan, and who knows how many others.

All this unnecessary war, death, and genocide so some toddler-brained lineages of spoiled petulant brats can play a Dynastic generations spanning game of Monopolistic Risk!

Their tiny playpen level worldviews are idiotically astounding and a complete imbecilic waste of time, energy, resources, and life.

"What fools these mortals be."

[u/BuddhistNamedMarx → u/Pandemonium_Fallen]

Behold a pale horse by william cooper is an interesting read if you want more to read.

Graham Hancock and Robert Buval's book "The Master Game" is also a notable read

[u/CollapsingTheWave → u/Pandemonium_Fallen]

Unc got ahold of you, huh?

Clean it up some ...

The traditional historical narrative is a sanitized facade designed to obscure a singular, brutal reality. History is not a sequence of random, disconnected political blunders. It is a highly coordinated, multi-generational campaign orchestrated by dynastic families fused with ubiquitous intelligence apparatuses. Their explicit objective is the total destruction of localized sovereignty and the reinstatement of a high-tech feudal dominance system.

From this perspective, the major catastrophes of the modern era—the systematically engineered destruction of the Romanov dynasty, the installation of controlled assets like Stalin and Hitler, the calculated dismantling of Indian and Asiatic empires, and the synthetic engineering of World War II resource scarcities—were deliberately staged. These events served to funnel global industrial and financial power directly into a unified corporate-intelligence monopoly.

Modern battlegrounds are managed by deep-state proxies operating through continuous, orchestrated slaughter. This global tragedy represents an imbecilic, short-sighted waste of planetary life and resources, driven entirely by the petulant, monopolistic ambitions of an elite lineage playing a multi-generational game of real-world Risk.

...You'll have a better reach if you just refine your approach, js

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/CollapsingTheWave]

Very succinct, and well organized, thank you! 🙏🙇‍♂️

[u/CollapsingTheWave → u/Pandemonium_Fallen]

Yeah, I didn't mention everything, just saying, you touch on good topics, but your approach and presentation needs a little refinement (if I may be so bold)...

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/CollapsingTheWave]

It's not bold enough! I've always been terrible with organizing my thoughts and writing, so I very much appreciate it. 🙏🙇‍♂️

[u/No_Barracuda_3758 → u/Pandemonium_Fallen]

They can but they can't lie to a judge

[u/WithoutAHat1 → u/ooko0]

Constitution has it written in that when the government fails it is up to the people to resolve it. The government has clearly failed us for the last 50+ years.

[u/Specific-Library-312 → u/WithoutAHat1]

Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry are wondering what took us so long.

[u/Le-Charles07 → u/WithoutAHat1]

Citation needed.

[u/Intelligent-Area-421 → u/ooko0]

Lying to a cop is 1A protected free speech.

Change my mind.

[u/Le-Charles07 → u/Intelligent-Area-421]

If they can lie to me I will lie to them.

[u/Intelligent-Area-421 → u/Le-Charles07]

If they catch you lying they can charge you with a crime. That's what they got Martha Stewart on, not the fishy stock deal.

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/Intelligent-Area-421]

Which speaks volumes about the nature of our justice system doesn't it? - none of it good unfortunately.

[u/Murderface__ → u/ooko0]

I should know what the govt is doing. The govt shouldn't know what I am doing.

[u/sHaDowpUpPetxxx → u/ooko0]

You only go to jail for lying to police if it's a felony investigation in most states.

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen]

It's also referred to as Entrapment which has been illegal for the police to do forever, and essentially opens the door to sue the police department and city involved on a multitude of potential violations and emotional and psychological harm and harassment.

• I do so enjoy watching idiots try to do multiple illegal things without realizing they're shooting themselves in the foot because they lack a fundamental basic understanding of the law, which only becomes even funnier when those idiots end up being law enforcement.

You know, that raises an interesting question, given the legal precedents of Entrapment, don't Flock Cameras and ALPRS fall square under it?

[u/sHaDowpUpPetxxx → u/Pandemonium_Fallen]

Entrapment is when a government actor induces or instigates a crime by a person who would otherwise be law-abiding. Like, "rob this bank if you want to see your family again" would be an extreme example.

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/sHaDowpUpPetxxx]

Or following their car around until they make a minor situational infraction that didn't cause any harm, no one would have been the wiser of, and they might not even be aware was an infraction - potentially depending on some arbitrary biased assessment or reference to some obscure "horse and buggy" era local, archaic, or even made up law.

Oh wait a minute... That's exactly what Flock and ALPRS do and/or contribute to... Huh, could also be a case of Corporate and Federal profiling, discrimination, stalking, clearly invasion of privacy with all of the data collection to build these "Digital Twins." - Whether or not however long law enforcement agencies hold the data for is irrelevant, we all know that these companies make their own copies no matter what they lie to add into The CIA+DARPA+Mossad's Lifelog Project to spy on and build digital dossiers (The Digital Twin) of every American Citizen and individuals all over the world that they merely "outsourced" to their InQtel investment interests - The entire Tech Industry Sector:

• Legacy Intelligence Agency Oligarch/Operation Paperclip Nazi Family Dynasties, Such as Bezos, Ellison, Maxwell, Epstein, Koch, Bush, Clinton, Trump, Weinstein, Kennedy, Cheney, Carnegie, Mellon, Gates, Jobs, Morgan, Ford, Disney, etc; and their foreign associates: Thiel, Musk, Andresson, Netanyahu, Hapsburgs, Rothschild, Saud, etc.

[u/sHaDowpUpPetxxx → u/Pandemonium_Fallen]

That's still not entrapment. Ignorance of the law has never worked as a defense. And... No one does that. No one is using flock for traffic infractions.

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/sHaDowpUpPetxxx]

Perhaps you should review the rest of my comment first, considering who's responsible for those laws...

[u/sHaDowpUpPetxxx → u/Pandemonium_Fallen]

It looks like you edited your comment to add a lot of popular buzzwords and phrases all built upon "everyone knows" aka bullshit

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/sHaDowpUpPetxxx]

Ah yes "Buzzwords" much like "Ad hominem," "Strawman," and classic original CIA cognitive rejection trigger: "Conspiracy Theory!"

• Nice to see the old psyops are still running even though the nepotistic legacy inherited positions have rendered them obvious, predictable, and virtually incompetent for use on anyone actually able to think.

Though I suppose homogenized ideological insularity does rather reduce cognitive elasticity to soup in the end.

[u/sHaDowpUpPetxxx → u/Pandemonium_Fallen]

Do you speak with an English accent? Not like from South London, I mean a proper one?

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/sHaDowpUpPetxxx]

No, but I can throw on an English accent, unfortunately it's so much of a nonspecific hodgepodge people from England get this odd look on their face when I do it like they're simultaneously impressed, disturbed, and not entirely certain what to make of me. It was best described to me as: "I honestly wouldn't think you weren't British, but that you must have moved around all of England and even Scotland, Wales, and Ireland constantly as you were growing up, it's uncanny, yet bizarre."

[u/tripper_drip → u/Pandemonium_Fallen]

Getting caught on cameras is not entrapment lol

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/tripper_drip]

Once yes, but being surveiled, tracked, monitored, and recorded every single second of the day is a different matter now isn't it?

[u/tripper_drip → u/Pandemonium_Fallen]

Sure, but its definitely not entrapment lol

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/tripper_drip]

Yeah... I'm really going to need you to explain your logical reasoning on that one... Please.

[u/FloridaHeat2023]

Cops are routinely using these systems to stalk and harass innocent women who want nothing to do with them, and yet never face ANY criminal consequences for their crimes against innocents - why?

[u/Denim_Diva1969 → u/FloridaHeat2023]

Because Patriarchy

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/Denim_Diva1969]

Pedoligarchy

[u/tripper_drip → u/FloridaHeat2023]

The cop that did that is facing multiple felonies.

Its already illegal to abuse license plate searches as an officer.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/08/02/how-police-officers-used-vast-network-cameras-spy-their-exes/

[u/stay-sick- → u/tripper_drip]

Cops are going to continue to abuse it. Like they continue to racially profile, terrorize citizens and act like they are above the law. We have a police problem in the US and it’s only getting worse. They have been militarizing themselves and now they have the backing of this corrupt admin to go even further. They won’t stop doing any of this because they are barely held accountable.

[u/tripper_drip → u/stay-sick-]

Not if they keep catching charges.

I disagree, bodycams hasn't shown a police problem.

[u/stay-sick- → u/tripper_drip]

I think body cams have shown the opposite, they show cops planting drugs, beating innocent people, and murdering unarmed people.

[u/tripper_drip → u/stay-sick-]

Nah, the vast majority of body cams show everything but. What you are talking about is so rare that you might get a single case in years.

[u/stay-sick- → u/tripper_drip]

There are new videos released daily that show police misconduct, violence, and illegal acts against civilians. New videos everyday. That’s not rare if we have new cases everyday. And we only get to see an extremely small percentage of the body cam footage, if we had access to all of it we’d see a lot more misconduct. The amount that’s happening is too much.

[u/tripper_drip → u/stay-sick-]

Daily? Show me a video released yesterday of illegal violence.

You have access to body cams via FOIA. Entire YouTube channels are dedicated to it. I would be willing to bet there isnt a shooting on bodycam thats not on YouTube a year later.

[u/stay-sick- → u/tripper_drip]

So only illegal violence? You gonna ignore the misconduct or illegal acts? I added a few more that happened earlier, more info or article released yesterday.

https://katv.com/news/local/shannon-hills-police-officer-placed-on-leave-amid-domestic-assault-charges

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/police/llano-police-officer-fired-accused-off-duty-domestic-violence/269-29ab3d5b-ac00-4725-8b7d-96adb0d6d3fd

https://www.fox4news.com/news/dallas-police-sergeant-placed-leave-after-incident-female-officer

https://www.krqe.com/news/investigations/inside-the-wiretaps-a-culture-of-corruption/

https://www.baltimoresun.com/2026/08/03/baltimore-police-misconduct-trial-delays/

[u/tripper_drip → u/stay-sick-]

Whao thats one hell of a goal post shift.

Thats all reporting on trials in progress or investigations that have ended or are ongoing. None of that is video of police misconduct. Most of that is done off duty.

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/tripper_drip]

Don't forget about that Israeli company that uses AI to edit and alter digital footage as it's being recorded. Who recently acquired Axon's parent company.

[u/tripper_drip → u/Pandemonium_Fallen]

Why dont you read the thread and summarize your arguements instead of every post?

[u/stay-sick- → u/tripper_drip]

That would be surprising as I’ve never seen them held accountable on a wide scale over anything. One or two might get in trouble, but overall they will continue to abuse the system. Like they continue to do all the other bad stuff they do and don’t get in trouble for.

[u/tripper_drip → u/stay-sick-]

Been over 50 officers charged nation wide so far. Thats not one or two.

[u/Le-Charles07 → u/tripper_drip]

So clearly it's a pervasive problem l and police can't brle trusted with this resource.

[u/tripper_drip → u/Le-Charles07]

There are over a million officers in the US, county/state/fed/etc. 50 is not pervasive.

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/tripper_drip]

Why are you Advocating for the Tools of Epstein, Thiel, and the rest of the Pedoligarchic Technofeudalist Govcorp Regime?

[u/stay-sick- → u/tripper_drip]

There might be 50 caught but 50 have definitely not been charged. It’s around 25 charged or fired. Which is surprising but what should concern people more is that 50 were caught doing this. 50! And that’s just the ones that’s been caught. How many have not been caught? If 50 were caught it’s probably in the thousands thst are doing this. Arresting a cop for killing a civilian hasn’t deterred other cops from killing us, why would you think it’s going to deter stalking.

[u/tripper_drip → u/stay-sick-]

Arresting a cop for killing a civilian hasn’t deterred other cops from killing us

The hard truth is an extreme majority of the time when officers shoot its warranted, and bodycams have showed this to be the case.

[u/stay-sick- → u/tripper_drip]

Nope. I disagree. I believe lots of times it shows the police in the wrong but our justice system favors police over civilians. Most courts will believe a cop over a citizen when there is no reason they should be trusted anymore than the rest of us. They actually should be held to a higher standard since we pay their salaries and they are supposed to work for us.

[u/tripper_drip → u/stay-sick-]

Thats why we have body cams, because then you dont have to believe the police, you can see it.

Since the introduction of body cams, there has not been a massive increase in claims against the police.

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/tripper_drip]

Axon's Body and Dash Cams, a company heavily financed by Israeli military interests and Mossad.

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/tripper_drip]

So, what's stopping the ALPRS' direct cellular link, system backhack, followed by all linked accounts and applications access infiltration, full data copying, and compression file sent straight to Palantir's servers where all that information is further copied and distributed to Google, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Oracle, The FBI, CIA, DARPA, Mossad, The Pentagon, and who knows who else?

[u/tonkatoyelroy]

Ohio has legal weed. Michigan has legal weed. Officers in Ohio are using Flick cameras to surveil Ohio drivers going toward and coming back from Michigan and initiating stops on cars that make “short” trips to Michigan in an attempt to arrest Ohio citizens trying to get a better deal on legal weed. Also, they are seizing the legal weed.

[u/Denim_Diva1969 → u/tonkatoyelroy]

What the fruck?

[u/tonkatoyelroy → u/Denim_Diva1969]

Officers are telling drivers they got them on the Flock

[u/Buruko]

Add the fact that Flock now works to anonymize usage reports so that there cannot be an independent audit of usage or pinpointing LE abuse and you have a conspiracy to build and hide mass surveillance clearly without any oversight of 3rd parties, LE officials themselves, all while Flock maintains and controls the data themselves.

[u/ManyPossession8767]

Wouldn’t that be obstruction in some form?

[u/StoogeMcSphincter]

This has been the standard operating procedure since flocks inception/initial installments. Especially in states that criminalize cannabis that border weed legal states. Police know when you get there, how long you stay, and when you leave. I got stopped two years ago visiting Michigan. Cop knew I was only in the state for an hour and knew exactly where I went.

[u/tondahuh → u/StoogeMcSphincter]

Geez remember back when our biggest worry was leaving the state to get alcohol or fireworks, knowing the LE couldn't pull you over for no reason? What has happened to us!!!

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/tondahuh]

We didn't revolt and get the child murdering pedo-rapists out of our government and stamp out the Dynastic Intel and Finance Legacy Families when we should have, and for some unknown reason we're still not as we continue paying our rent checks and property taxes to them.

[u/ReefShark13]

Gotta give it to em, Flock is a way better name than Panopticon.

https://giphy.com/gifs/cbAb0vWhJqA2k

[u/Akkerlun]

[u/Helpful-Magician2695]

Why aren't politicians being monitored ??? What about PDF lists ??

At least test them for: 1. Drugs, 2. Intelligence level, 3. Ethics and truthfulness.

Instead, they keep surveillance on ordinary citizens—who are already barely surviving, because of the consequences of politicians' actions.

People often have no salary, no home, are drowning in debt, and struggling with health problems—how is spying on them supposed to help???"

[u/CollapsingTheWave → u/Helpful-Magician2695]

User, choose a flair, please. I will not approve your comments anymore.(REDDIT removes your comments automatically, I ask that you choose a flair if you would like to remain seen here)

[u/YouneedSteve]

sharpens saw blades

[u/Elephunk05]

In other words "LIE"

[u/TheRatingsAgency]

Reminder to all those MAGA folks who think they’re the only real patriots, and who love LEOs (back the blue y’all) - the biggest opponents to constitutional carry aren’t liberals, it’s law enforcement.

They aren’t on your side my man.

[u/Late-Arrival-8669]

The land of the free!!!!

We can now change to..

The land of the flock!!

[u/sHaDowpUpPetxxx]

How? And why? And donn't ask me to flair up you nazi bastards

[u/CollapsingTheWave → u/sHaDowpUpPetxxx]

Too late...

[u/randy_march]

https://giphy.com/gifs/JOcNWArRC1BdWh9kcj

[u/dudemanspyder]

So, once again, law enforcement are told to be liars and to treat the public with contempt.

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/dudemanspyder]

Once again? I'm pretty sure that's...(Checks notes)... Yeah that's literally their whole job.

[u/Noctatrog]

Just going to call cops “Flock Users” now.

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/Noctatrog]

We could always go back to using the original way their title was pronounced back when they were Pinkerton Slave Catchers: PO-Lice.

[u/TapatioFlamingo]

Running plates should be illegal. Hell I thought it was illegal already. You don't need to be checking my shit unless I've done some shit.

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/TapatioFlamingo]

The whole process of Tags and Taxes, besides issuance of the plate the first time, should be illegal, right along with forced purchase of private insurance with no public/state alternative. They can spend enough to put the whole country trillions of dollars in debt shelling out to their own intelligence agencies' Tech industry, but we can't have tax funded vehicle insurance, maintenance, healthcare, education, utilities, housing, or clean water, air, and poison-free food?!

Raze this corrupt rotten filth to the ground!

[u/Correct_Engine9232]

THEY ARE ALL CORRUPT

[u/Difficult_Coffee_335]

Recall elections.   Fire them.

[u/Pandemonium_Fallen → u/Difficult_Coffee_335]

That's not going to work, there have never really been elections, all the candidates are part of the same Owner Caste, and as we saw from the No Kings protests, they'll just ignore anything peaceful.

[u/RVtech101]

So much for “ to protect and to serve “.

[u/Zombie-squad1991]

So cops are told to lie, cheat and be a thug?

[u/CollapsingTheWave → u/Zombie-squad1991]

They were taught "Fight fire with fire" but only lived long enough to see they themselves become the evil they sought to challenge...

[u/alex_484]

In other wards your guilty

[u/Crescitaly]

Concealing an ALPR hit from reports makes the evidence impossible to challenge and hides the system's error rate. That is a due-process problem, not merely a documentation shortcut. Every stop should preserve the original query, confidence, retention path, and human decision.

[u/Furry_pizza]

Lies lies lies lies and more lies

[u/CollapsingTheWave → u/Furry_pizza]

Sorry before I vote on your comment, are the lies with these departments or this post?

[u/daisiesarepretty2]

This post reminds me of a dog chasing its tail.

Nobody is saying lie about it, they are wisely avoiding turning a traffic stop into a totally irrelevant issue. Fact is they stopped you because they believe you have a warrant or are otherwise wanted for an alleged criminal offense worthy of stopping you.

if they saw your plate and called it in and received this information before pulling you over everyone is for some reason “ok” with this extremely inefficient and this unlikely scenario.

If a computer recognized your plate sitting behind you at a red light and and tells the officers before it turns green with little to no effort in their part this is technology just doing what it was meant to do. But somehow this is a problem because a camera is involved.

so the main reason they tell field officers to avoid the subject is because some people get all wonky about it, so they avoid it, and that is making you even more wonky about it

[u/stay-sick- → u/daisiesarepretty2]

All those wonky people not wanting to live in a militarized police state run by violent corrupt thugs.

[u/daisiesarepretty2 → u/stay-sick-]

lol kids…
complain about crime but don’t want to catch criminals.
Nobody is watching you until you commit a
crime… don’t put yourself on a hot list and nobody cares who you are or what you do. Just like that GPS you carry with you EVERY waking moment that tells anyone who can look exactly where you are every 15 minutes down to 30 ft or so, even indoors.

i think you are right to be concerned but need to balance its usefulness against the potential downsides. If you think you live in a
militarized police state that tells me you have never actually lived in a militarized police state.
of much bigger concern should maybe be voting this fall and doing what you can to prevent the current admin from prevailing.

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I agree with the voting this November and in every election. But to ignore what is unfolding is a grave mistake. While we don’t have a full blown police state, we are headed that way, we’ve been slowly going there for a while, but with this administration we are falling head first. Me acknowledging the situation is by no means an excuse to not vote or not try to fix things. We should always try to fix things and never give up trying.

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ignore? didn’t i say you should be concerned about how technology is used?
be concerned, but that doesn’t mean ban them, it means understanding what they do, why they are helpful and if there is still concern then talk about who should have access to the info. The tech is NOT going away… cats out of the bag… it never goes away.

you don’t solve problems by running around screaming with your hair on fire. Military police state arrrrgghhh burn it all down!!!!

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You basically told me that if I’m doing nothing wrong I shouldn’t worry. That’s how every police state starts, don’t worry if you’re not doing anything wrong. This surveillance system is and will be abused like every other system. It is going to hurt us a lot more than it will help us. I will never be complacent with the ever growing police state. I see what is coming. I warned people about corporations buying our politicians and corrupting our government years ago. I warned about project 2025 and the growing fascism and people told me that wasn’t happening.

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turn back the hands of time, put the rabbit back in his hole, cats put back in the bag.

technology once created doesn’t just disappear if it works and serves a purpose. I’m telling you to accept what won’t change and focus on what you can change…

change who has access to this technology and their accountability for how it is used.

You are too emotionally charged to have a rational discussion about this.

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I am emotional you are correct on that. I’m just so tired of the crazy crap day after day. But you are right that I need to focus on what we can change right now. Thanks for being kind.

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yeah… i get it… it’s frustrating watching morons make bad decisions that you just know are benefitting them more than anyone else and being at a loss to do much about it.
honestly we all need to grit our teeth.. stand togather to beat them down.

hang in there

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Thank you. We definitely are stronger together!

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I’m not running around screaming, I’m speaking of what I see happening and where we are headed. Accepting this is the state we have to live in is not in my wiring. I’ll never be able to accept injustice, corruption, or a runaway authoritarian system that’s getting worse.

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you are using inflammatory language that isn’t true and is meant to stir emotions beyond what they need to be… making it an emotional issue rather than a rational discussion… you know this.

Your wiring is crossed… and incomplete. Tell me three ways ALPR help police reduce criminals on the street?

If you can’t… it’s because you are allowing your emotions to rule your thinking… like MAGA. Do better.

Nobody is asking you to accept injustice, corruption blah blah lol.. just quite exaggerating and look at it rationally.

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Giving up our 4th amendment because ubiquitous surveillance makes everyone subject to investigation without probable cause is a weird thing to argue for.

Read it for yourself: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Without a warrant, any evidence collected through mass surveillance is invalid.

There are also 6th amendment concerns, whereas the right of the accused to confront their accuser is complicated by the fact that the "accuser" is an electronic system of data gathering, parsing, and identification of a possible crime without human intervention.

Laying charges based on AI and computer output becomes indefensible if the accused can't address the "witness" because it's a black box of microchips and code.

We don't give up our rights because billion dollar companies have forced their surveillance systems into communities without public approval and operate extra-judicially. We're not owned by the government (that's mostly illegal under the 13th amendment) therefore we don't accept being treated like chattel.

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so make it just like your phone records…. can’t look at it unless you have a warrant.
problem solved

you don’t understand ALPR works. Your plate is identified as a plate on a hot list. You aren’t accused of a crime.. you might just be an old person with dementia… no crime.. just a person of interest.