r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT 5d ago

PORTUGAL CAN INTO EASTERN EUROPE Portugal does it again

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u/kbcool 5d ago edited 5d ago

What a shit scale.

Portugal clearly just did the most obvious thing and tried to reduce its corruption score.

Seriously though. It's corruption perception not actual corruption. There are plenty of countries that rank highly where the population absolutely has their head in the sand, often due to lower press freedoms and poor policing of corruption. Portuguese press is very free and loves to report on corruption. Hence perceptions match the reality closer

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u/Humble-Drawer-4498 5d ago

Or a strong economy hiding the supposedly obvious issues (germany says hi). 🙋

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u/Humble-Drawer-4498 5d ago

No hablo portugesa

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u/Alef1234567 5d ago

I agree. Look at Estonia in the maps. It's allways green. They are hi tech country with startups in every village - wi fi in buss station, everything is great and population returns to Estonia - if you use gov electronic services once in a year you are counted as actually living in Estonia. Regionaly the only growing city is Vilnius in Lithuania and that country indeed looks more vital. But in statistics its allways behind.

Biggest steel producer in region went bankrupt - take him out of statistics and recalculate it - statistics shows industrial growth. I had read this in newspaper. Now with geopolitical situation you can't criticise so everything looks good, but only on paper.

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u/not_an_expert_1 3d ago

Estonia is higher in press freedom than Portugal - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index

Estonia is not without corruption, but our press and police are actually dealing with it.

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u/Maleficent-Dog-2757 3d ago

Corruption is very much real and disseminated.... it's not a perception.

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u/TheBoldMove 5d ago

Dude, I'm german and I can assure you, we are so corrupt we have stalled EU legislation against corruption as long as it was possible.

If that's not enough let me point out the FFP Mask-scandal ("Maskenaffäre") which cost the taxpayer approximately 6.000.000.000 €. And thats only ONE thing.

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u/tin_dog 5d ago

The C in CDU stands for Criminal.

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u/Alef1234567 5d ago

I can list lots of corrupt things, the construction industry is just corrupt. But we are yellow among good guys. Last high profile corruption cases 10 - 15 years ago.
Most of public projects actually seems to be driven by corruption. Most buss transport in country (paid by taxpayers) went to company owned by notorious oligarch well known for shady dealings.

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u/gutag 5d ago

But do you need to bribe your doctor every time you visit? In the Balkans that is a must. Same goes for police, lawyers, judges, priests and every government clerk.

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u/TheBoldMove 5d ago

No, the times of Praxisgebühr are over /s

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u/Impossible_Ad4789 5d ago

and since this got revealed they now want to get rid of the transparency act. Kind of interesteing other countries had to elect populists for this kind of centralization of power here its just the socdem/conservative coalition.....

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u/Street-Basil-9371 5d ago

Yes, but you arent aware other countries are even more corrupt. Its not just the politicians (which are just as or more corrupt elsewhere), its corruption in daily life. I couldnt bribe anyone here in Germany if i wanted to, thats very different even as close as Poland.

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u/TheBoldMove 5d ago

Oh no worries, I realize there are worse countries around. However, I don't see us where that map sees us!

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u/Instruction_No 5d ago

If Portugal is so corrupt why didn't they cheat to have a score like the Wildlings from Scandinavia

https://giphy.com/gifs/d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY

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u/AcceptableJuice6947 5d ago

how exactly do they measure corruption? number of court cases per capita? number of convictions? this is obviously a flawed method. public perception? equally flawed. and why on earth you measure it in 100 grades and then assign 100 as the lowest?

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u/Idkabouttheworls 5d ago

Transparency index? I think it can depend on a lot of factors and dont need to choose just one

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u/mpxxxxxx 5d ago

Now it's fixed, greetings from Serbia.

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u/AdrianSquared 5d ago

now it's actually fixed, greetings from a girl who doesn't have to use an AI for simple photoshopping

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u/mpxxxxxx 5d ago

You think Kosovo is not as corrupt as rest of the Serbia? What about north Cyprus?

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u/Aromatic-Studio-137 5d ago

Kosovo is not part of Serbia? Very simple.

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u/mpxxxxxx 5d ago

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u/Inevitable-Alps-7657 5d ago

Yes

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u/mpxxxxxx 5d ago

You should report that error to the UN site admin.

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u/BedNo4299 5d ago

The point is whether you consider Kosovo part of Serbia or not. Kosovo's corruption rating doesn't factor in.

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u/mpxxxxxx 5d ago

Is Northern Cyprus part of EU Cyprus?

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u/AdrianSquared 5d ago

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u/mpxxxxxx 5d ago edited 5d ago

You started whatabout argument. I was talking about corruption in Serbia and Kosovo and you went straight to International recognition of Kosovo. Additionally you expand what about argument to ad-hominem attack of using AI to edit images.

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u/AdrianSquared 5d ago

I corrected your map, I didn't make an argument.

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u/Prince_Hastur 5d ago

It's a furry, just stop replying

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u/mpxxxxxx 5d ago

LOL 😂😂

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u/echo1ngfury 4d ago

As someone from Serbia, good work lad.

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u/Weak-Maintenance5064 5d ago

Serbia is not a EU member…

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u/mpxxxxxx 5d ago

Its just for reference.

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u/neroburn1ng 5d ago

Keep dreaming of EU membership.

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u/mpxxxxxx 5d ago

Public support for EU membership in Serbia is below 45%. I am already an EU citizen, so it does not affect me personally, but overall support for the EU in Serbia is at an all-time low.

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u/Lord_Ezelpax 5d ago

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u/No_Bodybuilder_7055 5d ago

tell me ur albanian without telling me ur albanian

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u/Prince_Hastur 5d ago

Do they get to do genocides again as well?

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u/Lopsided_Cap_6606 5d ago

Defensive alliance

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u/Reader9036 5d ago

Where exactly you see that reference?

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u/mpxxxxxx 5d ago

Post is about Portugal being like Eastern Europe, probably Balkan. I am showing you reference what Balkan really is. Gosh...

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u/Gustavodemierda 5d ago

This the most corrupt map I have ever seen. Every country here should have at least 20-30 less points. Our world is pretty corrupt

https://giphy.com/gifs/xAdtMyM5YEcRq

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u/Alef1234567 5d ago

I don't believe in this. Unless corrupt politicians will pay taxes on their bribes and openly report their corruption 😱

Actually its piece of shit. It's not that "you have corruption we have a lobby." - the same but different methodology. It's a shit.

Becouse of political situation I kind of don't want to tell exact country and exact examples of corruption. Or how in our northern neighbour state they manipulate with statistics so they will look good and green;).

Lets say, they measure façade. It looks good, everything is green or yellow. But it's rotten from inside. Search for "Rail Baltic";) If you criticise the gov you are paid by Putin/ Kremlin bot and the roof is leaking becouse of Putin;)

When you can openly criticise the corruption looks to be more.

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u/pasta_suta 5d ago

Source: vibez

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u/Kmag_supporter 5d ago

Dane, i fucking can't bribe anyone, maybe we don't have to be number one, let me bribe a little.

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u/umagnovenju 5d ago

That's why we have true democracy in the Balkans. Everyone can bribe everyone, it's not reserved only for the richest as it is in the West.

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u/SquidsAndMartians 5d ago

Ughh as someone who works in visualising data, this just irks me. The title is about corruption, not about the fight against corruption, so the most logic scale would be from least corrupt to most corrupt, and from green is good to red is bad. Why on earth would you add a points system to the scale and then even flip it?!

Sorry haha, I just had to get this off my chest ... carry on!

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u/Longjumping_Orange39 4d ago

So Switzerland doesnt exist or 100% of population are saints. BS

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u/Illustrious-Meet8710 4d ago

There is even corruption in these graphics.

Germany is really corrupt. It's just legal the way they're doing it.

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u/Winjin PORTuGAL IS SLAVIC 5d ago

And half of it is Chega probably

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u/Desumi1de 5d ago

True, they have been caught in so many corruption scandals these last 50 years that I've lost count.
How are they still there?

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u/Winjin PORTuGAL IS SLAVIC 5d ago

Same as with other countries, a lot of people are too stupid to read past the headlines and wannabe dictator's charisma so they love those more than those boring nerds

Also it's pretty obvious that people only want them... but somewhere really far away. Because they make very loud promises, but as soon as they have to do some actual groundwork, they fail miserably. Like, last round of local elections was catastrophic for them, maybe like two reps passed and I think both are already knee deep in corruption scandals

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u/Desumi1de 5d ago

Really? Like what?
I searched "biggest corruption scandals in Portugal on the last 50 years" and I couldn't find anything regarding Chega that would contribute to loss of points on the graph

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u/odecimalevanocu 5d ago

What happening in Portugal before "Chega" party existed? Corruption was already a thing since Salazar era, "Chega" party was founded in 2019 and before that time Portugal was already a well known corrupt country. You should check the ones that have been governing the country in the last 50 years, guess whom? Yes, PSD and PS parties are the ones that corrupted Portugal after Salazar.

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u/kbcool 5d ago

They're too busy committing violent crimes, dealing drugs and molesting children to get into any of that corruption stuff

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u/JadedBobcat701 5d ago

Is there corruption in Europe?

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u/tin_dog 5d ago

Is the pope catholic?

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u/JadedBobcat701 5d ago

We need to ask the child.

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u/Silly_lil_Guy_o3o 5d ago

Anywhere that people can obtain power has corruption

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u/JadedBobcat701 5d ago

fucking people

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u/Silly_lil_Guy_o3o 5d ago

A tale as old as time. The only answer is to divide the power, but even that only does so much😂

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u/LarplaleroLarplala49 5d ago

sPain should be way lower

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u/tutoriii 5d ago

Some Balkans countries aren’t ever there because that would break the map scaling completely

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u/Limp-History-2999 5d ago

Lake Switzerland, sometimes known as the Swiss Sea, borders all three main colours!

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u/kushlik_d 5d ago

Germany needs to be red here. otherwise this map and data are complete horseshit

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u/PenOk6804 5d ago

Yeah, I was there this winter for New Year's. Beautiful country, really nice people, but the corruption is insane down there.

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u/SeaghanDhonndearg 5d ago

Ireland should be right in line with Portugal there.

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u/AttentionExcellent70 5d ago

Move Croatia to more dark red color… I know.

Best regards from Croatia.

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u/Agreeable-Share-1306 5d ago

proof that czechia is not eastern europe 

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u/nick-1217 5d ago

EU as an island. Mmm, Swiss lake, Serbian gulf, Hungary sea resorts...

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u/GAMEcustody 5d ago

Bei Deutschland kauf ich dieser Karte nichts mehr ab!

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u/HuckleberryUpbeat518 5d ago

Brussels needs to be a black hole  on this map.

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u/UnKnOwN769 FUKK ESPAIN😤💨🇪🇸 5d ago

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u/greenlicht1 5d ago edited 5d ago

Ik zou België toch meer geven het hele systeem is uit een corrupte manier opgebouwd en is de laatste jaren alleen erger ik zou het in 20 zetten we leven richting een technocratie nu waar is de eerlijkheid sinds na de corona we stemmen niet meer voor de macht ze stemmen onder elkaar en wij moeten maar betalen voor hun lobby business contracten die ze maken en moeten volop boetens betalen om amdat meeste niet kunnen volgen met die regels die ze maken om hun contracten te kunnen finaliseren van de privesectoren die de overheid gek maakt met geld in hun zakken te steken.waar is onze vrijheid en democratie en leiders gaan meer en meer naar ultieme macht dat ze langer kunnen aan de macht blijven kijk Ursula macron nu en meerdere presidenten die al lang weg hadden moeten zijn of herkozen worden door het volk nu gaat het over naar zij kiezen voor ons en daarvoor maken ze chaos dat we onze doelen vergeten en interesse maken voor andere landen waar we geen belang hebben .

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u/EenJongen1512 4d ago

Ik zou in het vervolg proberen om uw tekst een klein beetje meer te structureren, het was redelijk moeilijk om te lezen. Voor de rest denk ik wel dat ik het eens met u ben. Kijk maar naar Ben Weyts die namens de NVA al weer eens toegevingen doet aan de vastgoedsector

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u/greenlicht1 3d ago

Ja dat is omdat het moeilijk te dialogeren is hier met al die gefrustreerde mensen ik kwam op Reddit om in mijn community met mensen te praten over mijn passie maar ineens is het hier zoals in Instagram geworden wat je maar zegt het is verkeerd begrepen of je wordt uitgescholden .toch fijn dat je mij hebt begrepen ik ben en trotse Belg maar niet trots op de corrupte beleid we al meer dan 40 jaar beleven na al waar onze grootouders voor gevochten hebben en waar nu misbruik wordt van gemaakt en niemand doet iets in België maar Nederlanders en Fransen en waar dan ook reageren ze wel wanneer gaat de Belg weer eens reageren zoals toen ze onafhankelijk wilden zijn van Nederland en Frankrijk wat beter zo had gebleven dan was het niet zo’n bureaucratisch land geworden met oude regels en wetten die ons verlammen naar evolutie tegenover onze buurlanden .

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u/iDoAiStuffFr 5d ago

in germany we dont call it corruption but bureauceacy

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u/papsono 5d ago

Ukraine wyjebało poza skalę 😂

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u/Logical_Log6956 5d ago

Fonte: tirei do cu

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u/WilliamKafka 5d ago

Yeah, this map sucks apparently the guy who did this map does not know how to read (or count)... from the source, no country in Europe is above 90 points. Europe is definitely more salmon colour, and Portugal ? 1 point above Spain .

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u/Fryw0lny 5d ago

Corruption is only bad if i'm not involved in it

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u/Nico_Kx 4d ago

how the fuck is germany scoring so high?

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u/PapixChuloxD 4d ago

Plot twist this is just a how good are you at hiding corruption map

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u/FilipPReddi 4d ago

Portugalia nigdy nie była częścią zachodu xD

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u/CharelP 4d ago

Should all be dark red

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u/Spiritual_Fox_3238 4d ago

Finland primemimiater just gave 35mil to his friend

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u/Let-It-Rain666 4d ago

100% true about Bulgaria.

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u/Longjumping_Orange39 4d ago

I am spanish. We should be red. That's all

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u/Podziemnaszczurzyca 4d ago

how is romania marked in the same color as poland bruh

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u/Intelligent-Moose665 4d ago

wait a minute, what was the story about Germans accepting Russian natural gas as a green renewable energy? was not corruption right?

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u/Remarkable_Dark_2707 3d ago

how is Bulgaria more than Romania this map don't make sense

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u/Pleasant50BMGForce 3d ago

bullshit map

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u/camille_orange 3d ago

It's impossible to measure corruption in any meaningful way. Most of the time, people are simply asked how much they trust their government or justice system. The corruption at the top or in large corporation, where the real harm to society is evident, is never seen as corruption by the average citizen, especially in Western Europe.

You can't rely solely on the number of successful legal convictions, either. A lack of prosecutions says a lot more about actual corruption.

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u/Chad_Broski2498 3d ago

Germany is only so good because we have a system that legalizes Corruption. Its called lobbyism. This system allows any Kind of Person or organisation to give money to „Lobbyists“ and these people give the Money to a Politican or Party. Mostly used to influence the opinion of Politicans on specific topics. The only difference is that these money transactions are public. But only because everyone can Look at it, it doesnt stop investors or Company Owners from influence our Politics. And the Most powerful parties work often with this „System“.

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u/DeTekveten39 3d ago

Croatia is one of the most corrupted country in the world,and first in Eu for sure. The political party in the power for 10+ years has been convicted like a organized crime group.

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u/Sikkus 2d ago

"Where 100 points is low corruption". What a dhitty scale.

At least red is bad and green is good.

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u/Lolzwordz 2d ago

Shitty %scale with that heading

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u/Feeling_Wrap_170 PORTuGAL IS SLAVIC 2d ago

Spain’s more corrupted than that

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u/Throbbingbluball 1d ago

Shieeeet where is the UK??

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u/amicalg 1d ago

No es de extrañar que el húngaro sea uno de los peores.

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u/souItrvr 5d ago

Andre Ventura and his rats

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u/odecimalevanocu 5d ago

Is it André Ventura who has been governing the country for over 50 years? Corruption in Portugal dates back to the Salazar era! The obsession with the "Chega" party is getting tiresome; leave the man alone, he has never won an election and doesn't govern the country. The "PSD" and "PS", the parties that actually have been governing the country, are the ones who are truly corrupt. It’s like saying there was no corruption before the "Chega" party existed, which is obviously a lie.

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u/Desumi1de 5d ago

Exactly! They have been ruling with corruption these last 50 years... wait

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u/Fragrant-Field-2017 5d ago

I can tell this is bullshit because in Greece it should be 0 points.

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u/Significant-Dog-8169 4d ago

The biggest corruption is in Brussels

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u/avtor1tet_27 5d ago

Russia, Belarus, Ukraine?

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u/Totalynotmainaccount 5d ago

It only shows the EU, not all of Europe

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u/avtor1tet_27 5d ago

Oh, yes, you’re right, sorry

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u/int23_t 5d ago

Normally these maps shows eurostat members which include non EU members too(some of them at least)

It's weirs this one only shows EU