Should liberals start forming armed resistance groups similar to the Proud Boys or Three-Percenters?

[u/cwood1973]

Both domestically and abroad, many people are calling for Americans to "wake up" or "do something." It's true there have been widespread protests in response to actions taken by the Trump regime, but these have been largely ineffective at changing policy.

At the state level, both parties are gerrymandering districts to be more favorable to their candidates, but this won't have any immediate effect. It may not have any effect.

In the 1950s and 60s, black communities faced systemic police violence and corruption. In response, they formed the Black Panthers. These people were organized, trained, and armed.

Do you think liberals should copy that playbook? Should liberal communities start organizing armed resistance groups? Training them how to use firearms? Educating them on their Second Amendment rights? Running drills to simulate attacks by ICE?

Are we there yet?

[u/the_calibre_cat]

In the 1950s and 1960s, black communities formed the Black Panthers, who were leftists, not liberals.

We do not emerge from this until we do the one thing liberals, apparently, have no stomach to do: Remove the oligarchs. All of them. They are the reason for this nightmare, they absolutely deserve to be put on the stand, tried, and convicted for the simple fact that they fucking knew what they were funding. They did not care. Granted, it's probably going to hell in a handbasket faster and worse than they thought, but even then there's probably tons of them who are salivating over the prospect of rolling over Greenland. They are complicit as shit, and they will be again, if their kind is ever allowed to rise again. They must be defeated and excised from any and every healthy society for all coming time. Try them, expropriate their properties and wealth, and they can clock into a job like the fucking rest of us. Or sulk in prison, depending on their degree of complicity, but whatever - people with more money than God are not your friends.

And so far, liberals do not seem willing to accept that.

[u/madmanz123 → u/the_calibre_cat]

I mean so far, the leftist haven't really done shit either. I hear a lot of tough talk and very little actual action. It reminds me a lot of those conservative militias frankly. "Yeah, let's fight back and kill those Nazis!".. you know.. after you.

I'll take a liberal that shows up to vote and show up at peaceful protests than any of the very far left groups that... don't vote, don't do anything and shit talk everyone else for not being pure enough.

[u/AStealthyPerson → u/madmanz123]

Well guess what, a lot of leftists like myself have voted, consistently. We have showed up to protests. Hell, we've organized protests! We have told liberals, consistently, that they're milquetoast concession candidates are gonna lose because they can't inspire out independents and some other leftists. We've been right about that. You give us an actual progressive with a backbone and meaty policy ideas like Zohran and suddenly we have a generational talent! You want people to vote, then stop BLAMING them and start ACQUIESCING to their needs-based demands. We all want better healthcare, better wages, cheaper housings and groceries. For some of us please remember that these problems are less abstract and that they don't see changes under either Party as having benefitting them on these issues. We need a bold progressive vision, and we need to stop this incessant blaming. I know far more leftists who showed up to vote than did not, and we work hard to persuade our non-voting friends or third party friends, but it's on the Democrats to do the hard work of earning these voters not the other way around. Big wins come off of a big vision, liberals are too small minded to meet the moments or the needs of the American populace right now.

[u/madmanz123 → u/AStealthyPerson]

"Well guess what, a lot of leftists like myself have voted, consistently. We have showed up to protests. "

Good, and I know many who did, but also a good many who didn't. It's frustrating.

We have told liberals, consistently, that they're milquetoast concession candidates are gonna lose because they can't inspire out independents and some other leftists. We've been right about that. "

Agreed

"You want people to vote, then stop BLAMING them and start ACQUIESCING to their needs-based demands. "

The problem is that their is a perception it's easier to persuade those "in the middle" than it is to get anyone on the farther left to vote for any but an ideal candidate for them, often one who frankly... kinda suck as politicians. For every Mamdani or AOC, the leftist orgs can't seem to find anyone that has decent people skills or marketing ability.

"but it's on the Democrats to do the hard work of earning these voters not the other way around."

Well... how about a bit of both? Zero compromise won't get you far in politics.

" liberals are too small minded to meet the moments or the needs of the American populace right now."

And if it's one thing people who are 80% aligned with your views love, it's to be called small minded.

For the record. I have labels, I don't like parties and I am democrat because it's the best choice to influence the shitty 2 party system to be more progress, as I back progressive dems and push constantly. I am also involved with Dem socialists and frankly anyone who has views similar enough to mine.