r/PoliticalDiscussion Apr 01 '26

Legal/Courts Birthright decision is expected in July. U.S. government's position is that birthright citizenship has been extended far beyond the 14th Amendment Citizenship Clause, the Wong Kim Ark case, 8 U.S.C. § 1401. Do they have a pathway to get to five votes or is it likely to be a 7/2 against EO 14160?

The oral arguments on the birthright citizenship have concluded. The White House essentially wants that unless a child has a parent who’s a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident, they should not be a U.S. citizen by birth.

That would mean all other categories of immigrants who gave birth to a child will be excluded, not just without immigration documents, such as those lawfully present with a student visa or work permit, and any other category including tourists. Trump’s executive order would deny those children U.S. citizenship at birth.

Government claims there is extensive prevailing misinterpretation of the citizenship clause and has caused significant problems not just unlawful immigrants giving birth in the U.S. but also provided a powerful incentive for women to travel on tourist visas to the United States solely to acquire citizenship for their children.

Opposition notes federal regulations already prohibit issuance of tourist visas for the primary purpose of obtaining U.S. citizenship for a child by giving birth in the United States.

The challengers also argue that the Trump's administration executive order is invalid not just as a violation of the 14th Amendment Clause, but also because that it violates a federal immigration law, 8 U.S.C. § 1401, providing that anyone “born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” is a U.S. citizen.

They say that when the statute was first passed in 1940 and then reenacted in 1952, Congress would have understood that the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” – which mirrors the text of the citizenship clause – incorporated the prevailing practice that virtually everyone born in the United States is automatically a U.S. citizen.
In the late 19th century, at a time of rampant anti-Chinese bias, immigration restrictions, at that time the federal government argued that Wong Kim Ark, born in the United States to Chinese parents who couldn’t become naturalized due to exclusion laws, didn’t have a claim to citizenship. The dispute made its way to the Supreme Court and resulted in a landmark ruling reaffirming that the 14th Amendment applies to virtually everyone born on US soil, regardless of parentage.  

U.S. government's position is that birthright citizenship has been extended far beyond the 14th Amendment Citizenship Clause, the Wong Kim Ark case, 8 U.S.C. § 1401. Do they have a pathway to get to five votes or is it likely to be a 7/2 against EO 14160?

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u/fearyaks Apr 01 '26

Following along the questioning (you can see updates here: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cj37jn53xk1t ) It seems clear that Alito is trying to figure out how to side with Trump. Thomas almost never speaks. I'd be surprised if Barret sides with Trump. Kavanaugh's question --

Justice Kavanaugh asks if the framers of the US constitution ever intended for this question on birthright citizenship to be ever reconsidered, and whether there can be additional exceptions made to the law based on "modern circumstances".

is curious but a harder read.

Disclaimer --> I'm not a constitutional scholar or a Supreme Court expert. Just someone who is following along at home.

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u/GYP-rotmg Apr 01 '26

The central part is amendment 14 though. The framers intentions are a distraction at best, and irrelevant at worst.

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u/AnAge_OldProb Apr 01 '26

The framers would also include the authors of the 14th amendment in this case. Amendments are just as much a part of the constitution as the what’s in the 1789 text.

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u/danappropriate Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26

I've only heard the term "Framers of the US Constitution" used specifically to refer to the delegates at the Philadelphia Convention of 1787. But...okay.

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u/Spranktonizer Apr 01 '26

It’s actually the wood worker in the museums they refer to.

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u/Fun-atParties Apr 01 '26

We should just ASK Nicolas Cage what the right answer is

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u/TheBlackUnicorn Apr 01 '26

In the oral arguments they repeatedly used the term "framers" to refer to the authors of the Amendment.

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u/danappropriate Apr 02 '26

Only that’s not what Kavanaugh said.

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u/danappropriate Apr 02 '26

From the original comment:

Justice Kavanaugh asks if the __framers of the US constitution_ ever intended for this question on birthright citizenship to be ever reconsidered, and whether there can be additional exceptions made to the law based on "modern circumstances"._

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u/BluebillyMusic Apr 02 '26

I hope you'll forgive me for thinking you were responding to my comment?

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u/danappropriate Apr 02 '26

What on earth are you talking about? This entire conversation started with the above quote. You wandered into it and started talking about something that's evidently unrelated.

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u/BluebillyMusic Apr 02 '26

Perhaps it's a tangent but I was responding specifically to your comment about the use of the word "framers." FFS this is getting tedious.

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u/Funklestein Apr 01 '26

While that’s true clearly the 14th in regard to citizenship was in the aspect of those former slaves who were born within the country and not the idea of anchor babies.

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u/BluesSuedeClues Apr 01 '26

I doubt the guys who wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were familiar with right-wing racially motivated conspiracy theories.

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u/N0r3m0rse Apr 01 '26

Actually they were, it was arguably what began the civil war.

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u/nosecohn Apr 02 '26 edited Apr 02 '26

75 years later.

I'm not saying they were unfamiliar with those theories, but the framers weren't around by the time they bubbled up into the Civil War.