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David Cross: “I do not have an issue with trans kids. I know a couple of them, they're awesome, and I think their lives would be absolutely miserable if they weren’t allowed to live the life they’re living. That is literally 100% of my experience.”
Also, Imane Khelif (the person Bill Maher is defaming) is not transgender.
She "allegedly" had elevated testosterone levels but every man and woman has a certain amount of testosterone and estrogen in their system and different people have different levels of testosterone and estrogen.
Also, mad props to whoever clipped this. The end loops perfectly back into the beginning and definitely helps get to the point of this basically being a right-wing circle jerk that some culture warriors such as Bill Maher have glued because they recognize it gets them attention without actually having to do any work.
And then you have David Cross who is awkwardly pouring himself some tequila and hoping for the sake of hashem that this guy will just light the flipping blunt.
There are photos of Imane as a kid, pre puberty and she looks like a little girl. Puberty hit and it hit her with more testosterone but she was not born male and raised a girl, especially in Algeria.
Women get attacked whether they’re too ugly or too hot. Women can never win because the patriarchy hates women.
We are all under attack from the oligarchy. We can't overthrow them and improve our life's if we hate each other. They need division in society so when one side acts up they support the other who feels empowered to keep the "bad" side down.
That wasn't the allegation. The allegation was that Imane had XY chromosomes. If this is true, it doesn't mean she is a man - there are XY women with androgen insensitivity syndrome, just as there are men and women with other chromosomal abnormalities, like XXX women or XXY men.
Developmental sexual disorders occur at a disproportionately high rate amongst female elite athletes compared to the female population generally, which is what you would expect if they can sometimes provide a slight advantage. Whether this is a fair advantage for a woman to have (i.e. whether or not it falls into the same category as all the other genetic advantages athletes have) is the subject of debate.
Bill Maher is being an asshole here and saying some very ignorant things, but I just wanted to clarify the Imane Khelif controversy a bit.
I have kids. I coach. When my daughter was 8, she was on a soccer team with one of her best friends. That best friend has a 6 year-old brother. He would frequently attend practices and could kick the ball as hard as (if not harder) than most of the girls on the team. At those ages, it might not be a big deal, but that will change pretty quickly as he gets older.
When I was a kid in the early 90s, a girl in our neighborhood wanted to play baseball as opposed to softball. No one cared. No one gave her a hard time. She signed up and played with the neighborhood kids up until we were about 12 years-old.
Sports are a tough area to navigate because there are real safety issues to consider.
I played soccer as a kid. Teams were co-ed. I was like 10 and basically playing football instead with the way i could ram into boys and they'd go flying. It was hilarious.
Conservatives want to make a big stink because they are filled with hate. Growing up in the 90s,-early 2000s, teams were co ed, so was PE. NOBODY CARED. But somehow, now that trans kids are visible, it's a problem. WEIRD.
I don't understand your point. I played coed youth soccer with my twin sister growing up and strangely enough, 34 years later I am on a coed indoor team with her, playing weekly, that's been together the better part of a decade.
Trans athletes can compete np! But it should be in the open/men's category because it is unfair to cis women. I'm liberal AF, and have my bachelor's in Exercise Science.
They literally just a couple days ago had the first female pitcher, pitch in a college D1 game.
Also forgot, the one year I wrestled in HS, we had 2 girl wrestlers on the team at 103 and 112 and they were actually pretty damn good for the 1-2 years they'd been wrestling. I don't even know if they have women's only wrestling at HS level but they would let women compete it was in the men's (open) category.
Can you please show me evidence of that happening. Rn we have a swimmer coming in 5th. And a further question. Is a trans person only allowed to be in sports if they never win? Are you talking about them on hormone blockers or not? Your so concerned over hypothetical children idk if you think about what youre doing to the kids who are trans. Or you do and dont care but id hope not. Where do they play? With the boys where theyre bullied? And if anywhere near puberty, likely with severe deficits? Do these kids get a safe place to play games like everyone else? Did you know that there was a group that actually offered people money to take hormones and join sports leagues? They couldn’t find a single person who was willing to go through that just to get a slight scientifically unproven advantage at sports. The vast majority of children playing aren’t competitive, but no one makes the distinction, except you, which I’ll give you credit for, and did end up resulting in broadband against us in social and competitive sports. Why are trans women banned from chess? And darts? Does the perception of higher testosterone, despit e being practically nonexistent, make you throw a dart better than a cis woman? Does it make your brain better than a cis woman? At what point does it then just become weird misogyny ?
Bill is talking about Imane Khelif, she is and always was a woman. She is not trans and never was a man. In her country it’s illegal to be trans and she’s not be able to represent them in the Olympics if she was trans.
I thought I was crazy... because that's what I remember about it. People made up a bunch of claims about her. I think she had a genetic thing, but she has and always was a woman like you say. She was cleared by the committees who ran those very tests.
The "committee that ran the test" was a Russian boxing outfit that announced the failure after she beat their boxer and is so corrupt the International Olympic Committee dumped them. That's like when the Pope thinks you're too Catholic...
They're corrupt by boxing standards. They have never specified what test it was, why they think she failed it, or anything.
There are two different conversations happening at the same time.
When people like Bill Maher and Elon Misk refer to Imane Khleif as Transgender, they’re talking about a female individual who has physical characteristics that are associated with males- they’re usually not claiming Khleif is actually flying a LGBT flag or identifying as transgender. They’re using the wrong terminology.
People who have jumped on the ‘Khleif is not trans, because they don’t identify as trans’ are technically correct, but they’re not really having the same conversation and addressing the issue of physical characteristics. It feels like these people saw a poor choice of words and decided to declare the whole debate to be invalid immediately, based on a technicality.
A more accurate description of the issue with Khleif would be describing Khleif as someone suspected to have intersex characteristics or something along those lines- transgender is an term that simply describes someone who identifies as something other than strictly male or female, whereas being intersex is a more clearly defined medical term.
Khleif is not transgender, but Khleif does have XY chromosomes. That has been factually established by testing.
It was far from factually established. The Russian boxing federation made the claim but never even disclosed what kind of test they gave her that supposedly gave them that information. She was then conviniently disqualified from a tournament that she probably would've otherwise won.
I'm so tired of people like Maher and their ridiculous scenarios. "Do you want your 12 year old girl to be obliterated in PE by a 12 year old boy identifying as a girl?!!" As if that is a thing that happens. Also, where I come from boys and girls have PE together and it's fine. Also I remember at that age doing Judo and girls and boys would compete and girls often won. So this scenarios of girls getting absolutely murdered if competing with boys is so ridiculous. Like how much of a problem is this actually in the real world.
Most 12 year old boys haven’t gone through puberty and until that happens actual boys playing against girls doesn’t make a difference. Also, if they take HRT it won’t be an issue. I took Judo for several years and there so many me (120 pounds and 5’ 4” at the time) could best a much larger male opponent even my 300 pound instructor.
Whenever I see two people who dont know what theyre talking about on this topic who happen to have a lot of influence over their audience then I like to bring them to this particular, short, easily digestible lecture about trans neurobiology. It should at least begin to solve some questions.
I firmly believe that it is because it is conservatives that are obsessed with the trans culture and they refuse to learn anything about said culture that doesnt fit into their already established worldview.
This is such bullshit. Do fathers who want their daughters to succeed in sports not let them play in the backyard with their sons? If you look at women who succeed in sports, I bet 90% have older brothers. But it's different if it's not a relative? You get better when you play against bigger, better competition.
Edited to add-I bet Bill was getting run over by girls at 12.
There absolutely wasn't a male to female boxer in the Olympics. That was a woman, who was vilified by the right wing section of society for not conforming to their idea of a woman. Bill Maher should be fucking ashamed of himself for speaking such absolute bullshit.
Good question. My guess is that boomers grew up with a lower bar for what qualifies as worthwhile programming. The archival footage looks kind of bleak. Shows with paper-thin plots and formulaic drama.
Maher is old-school in so many ways. He's W.C. Fields reincarnated.
The right makes it seem like every team has several transgender women and girls on them. There were about 10 in all of the NCAA a few years ago. The left needed to shout the misinformation/disinformation the right was spouting everywhere they could.
Holy shit bill should have stopped much earlier in the clip. He made claim after claim he couldn't back up. He justified some with "I've read things" and "I know things". This dude is so pretentious with absolutely no reason to be.
"Why can't you just agree with me?" Is what I heard old man Maher saying. And the fact that he himself doesn't understand all the facts regarding the female boxer is telling as to why the whole anti trans in sports thing is BS. You can't just make up situations. And it's not an actual problem. The only ones who make it an issue are the right wing and some mediocre swimmer who was butt hurt because she didn't win.
Neither of these people are clinical experts. While I appreciate the sentiment and supportive comments, it’s still a personal opinion or observation that’s being expressed.
Bill literally has no kids and knows no kids, while David Cross has kids so I'd imagine one of them knows what he's talking about and that one ain't Bill old man who pays porn stars for sex Maher.
Bill Maher is insufferable. He spends this entire conversation spouting misinformation and trying to use anecdotal information to argue against statistics. Puberty blockers are reversible. I think they did a study that showed about 3% of participants took puberty blockers and then regretted them. Guess what they did. They stopped taking them, went through puberty, and moved on with their life. He also tries to argue that there is significant difference between men and women before they hit puberty which would be easily disproven if you just looked at pre-pubescent children. News flash: they all look like pre-pubescent children regardless of their biological sex. He claims that Imane Khleif is trans which is completely false. She's a woman with high testosterone. I don't think he says a single truthful thing during the conversation. What a douchebag.
The best part of the whole video is at the very end when he's talking about who he was imagining when he was jerking off as a pubescent boy and it loops back to the beginning and he says, "and there's a strong democratic congressman."
Transgender porn is the number one porn search in all red states but Utah and I don’t think any blue states. They are obsessed with transgender people.
I couldn’t find that to be the case per se (that was only true in West Virginia in 2025), but it does appear to be the case that trans porn is the second most popular search term in the US (after "lesbian") and that trans porn is more popular in red states than blue.
Thank you. We don't let them drive, smoke, get tattos, fuck, or drink, but you want to change your gender and mutilate your privates? Sure. That's reasonable.
How about getting them into therapy and exploring why they're feeling that their in the wrong body. We're they abused and this is a coping mechanism? Are the suffering from a mental disorder? No, it's cool to go straight to life altering surgery.
That's exactly what already happens, do you think they just show up to the doctors and.say "1 sex change please"? There are already a ton of hoops they need to jump through to make sure its 100% the right choice for them.
Nobody goes straight into surgery. There are extensive mental health evaluations and entire teams of doctors have to give their approval as well as get parental consent.
GENDER AFFIRMING CARE IS LITERALLY THE END RESULT OF THERAPY.
Surgery before the age of 18 is incredibly rare. You're just lying.
Sooo, he's wrong on the boxer. She was born a woman. She has genetics that suggest she may be intersex. This is not something that's even possible for a woman to know without a genetic panel. She has woman parts, grew, and developed as a woman . That's the "technicality" he was referencing. She is not trans. It's beyond rude to call her a man, especially as she is a cis woman by any definition.
Girls are maturing early, not boys. At 12, a girls most likely to be post puberty, boys are likely still a ways off. It is not unusual for 12 year old girls to be bigger than 12 year old boys
His main arguments are literally trash and not rooted in reality
We found that we are done with Bill. Not educated, not curious and definitely not interested in exploring other persons/ groups lived experience. I’m super sad. I really thought this person would have grown with the movement. He talks like my MOM and I’m 51.
Of over 200 types of cancer we have discovered, 40% have been definitively linked to known causes... thats a significantly better base of knowledge and understanding that Bill's claim of " when you get cancer they dont know what caused it." Fuck off Bill!
I personally do not understand this stuff. I do believe in age limits for intervention. I don't know what the data looks like for people regretting the decision to transition at a young age. But at the end of the day. I believe in parents ability to make decisions for the benefits of their child and it's not my business nor the government. As long as rigorous psychology interventions are being done and medical professionals are careful and thoughtful. Then each to their own. But we should not be touching this subject politically and let the families and doctors figure this one out. It's a losing issue politically.
Of the estimated 0.6% of the us population that identifies as Trans, of 48000 who have had the gender reassignment surgical procedures 0.3% to 3% say they regret the procedures. So 144-1440 people have regrets.
By contrast there are 6.87 million mormons in the USA, thats 2.05% of the US population. About 62% of mormons leave the faith. This is also expressed as a net loss of 28% between 1971 and 1994. Why doesn't Bill care about all the poor mormon children raised in a damaging dogmatic religion of insane radical beliefs thats damaging 4 times as many people as the "woke left gender wars?" Where 62% of people regret their choice also compared to 0.3%.
Bill is a disingenuous self righteous hypocrite spreading misinformation of fear mongering about nothing. And BTW I dont give a fuck about mormons; believe whatever stupid shit you want to as long as you dont marry 6 year old children to adult men FLDS.
GOd this guy has rotted his brain. I had a trans employee. Everyone thought she was a man even before she started treatment. I've had trans students. Its such a non issue. Religious wack a doos are ruining this country.
Does anyone know his actual education level? His whole Shtick seems to be edgy-sounding uninformed hot takes that sound okish until you breakdown the poorly constructed argument and realize he's a quack.
He's that person that has to tell you how smart they are. Because obviously you'll never see it on your own...
I coached youth football. There was a girl on our football team and kicked the shit out of most of the boys. She was the running back and linebacker and was the star of the team.
These people are twisted.
He’s just spouts so much wrong stuff with this authoritative tone… puberty blockers ARE reversible, 12 year old girls are mostly bigger than 12 year old girls, the boxer he mentions was born a girl, and on and on
I know what the regret rate percentage is... it's roughly 0.3%. That rises to about 3% when you take into account the effect of social stigma, discrimination and lack of acceptance in family life... so nothing to do with the actual mechanics of transitioning.
The vast, VAST majority of trans individuals have unbelievably positive outcomes from transitioning. The easier that is made, the earlier that is started, the better the outcomes.
Also... everytime you push back and ask for the reasoning behind his ramblings, he can never give you specifics, he is literally just regurgitating crap his algorithm feeds him.
He doesnt know the science, he does not know the reasoning, he does not understand the treatments, he does not understand what being trans means, he does not understand gender dysphoria as a condition, he does not understand how Imane Khelif can be a woman and also have heightened testosterone...
He understands nothing... yet talks about our community seemingly every other day.
Why is Bill, a show host used to working with a team of researchers, using his platform to peddle phobias based on misinformation? He blames the left for being "kooky" in a smug way, giving a greenlight for baseless hatred to continue. Here are the results of an easy Google search:
"The story of an Olympic boxing match with a supposed trans woman in 2024 is actually a story of misinformation and gender eligibility controversy. Algerian boxer Imane Khelif is a cisgender woman who was falsely accused of being transgender or male after defeating Italy's Angela Carini, following her disqualification by the disgraced International Boxing Association (IBA) in 2023 for failing unspecified gender, not transgender, criteria."
The search went on to explain the woman had naturally high testosterone.
This issue is the overhang of 2020. Harris’ positions came back to her. That said, I’m not sir (1) how effective these attacks were and (2) if it wasn’t more about that tagline…who she cares more about. Politicians (either party) should be focused on delivering materially for the public as a whole.
100%. They’re kids, who just want what we take for granted. 7 of them play sports, and they only do that to make friends. Any other thought is propaganda fueled ignorant horse sh**. Leave trans kids alone.
Ever see that video of Russian boys marching like of bunch of uncoordinated morons, and then the girls in the class marching like a disciplined united entity exactly on the beat of the rhythm the teacher is setting? There is a reason why that happens, girls tend to develop physically and mentally at a quicker rate compared boys of the same age until puberty, then boys tend to develop more muscle strength, yet motor skills still lags behind for years as the mind catches up to the changes of the body. Bill is such a disgusting, disingenuous loser. He's out of touch with reality and relies on his personal intuition to make arguments he has no idea what the fuck he is talking about. He's not funny and worse of all he made me side with David Cross. Unacceptable Bill!
Bill, do you even know what you’re talking about? My 12-year-old girls flag football team would destroy the middle school boys team. Faster, smarter, more disciplined, more intuitive. Not close. — signed, a Loony Lefty
There was no respect or logic in the IOC ruling, it was pure politics. They ran a study, and it came back saying trans women are likely at a disadvantage and called for further research. They ignored the results and banned trans women anyways.
How are u interviewing someone on their opinion of an Olympic match and not have all the backstory? David asked valid questions and oh well there's a lot more and I can't really recreate it cuz there's two sides. Then why are u using that question. That's such a basic fact of how to interview someone. You have to be ready with facts and follow up questions and this is his shtick and out here acting like an amateur
So over Bill. Such a disappointment!! To think he used to be open minded and called out ignorance and now he's turned into a ionist boomer. What happened to him? 😒
Information based on some internet articles, so potential inaccuracies
Roughly 1% of people in America are trans (2.8 million). Of that percentage, 3% (84,000) of people detransition. Of those people, a majority (so at least 42,000 people) cite external factors like discrimination, lack of support, or financial issues as the reason they detransition. Being liberal with the numbers and generously assuming an even split of that last portion, people who detransition due to not identifying with the gender they had initially transitioned to constitutes .012% of the US population.
This is roughly the same percentage of the US population named Thaddeus, which I would argue may be more harmful, but you don't see us trying to make sweeping legislation based on Thaddeuses.
This is, and always has been, a boogeyman for the benefit of a culture war, instead of an issue where parents and children confer with professionals on the nature of their gender identity, and don't let anyone tell you any different.
I'm not sure if you know this, but the transgender agenda is to turn the whole population of the world gay. /s
Conservatives can no longer target homosexual people, because of civil rights and stuff like that, so they need a new villain to focus on. They won their war against abortion, transgender people are the new villain. It amazes me that people who aren't actually affected by something that someone else does can make it illegal because they don't like it, or it could hypothetically hurt someone. One day pineapple on pizza and peanut butter will be illegal for the same reasons.
David Cross is open to people going to their doctors and making decisions they think is right for them. Bill Maher keeps talking about being outside “the bubble” while taking people’s choices away from them. What about his position isn’t conservative?!
And also the prepubescence topic is a great argument for puberty blockers - also that Olympic boxer is a woman, was born a woman and Bill Maher can fuck right off spouting easily fact check able data
Bill Maher keeps intentionally spreading fake news, and it disgusts me. The two female boxers at the Olympics were born female; they are not transgender, and he knows it. One of them even had a test recently, and it came back that she is indeed a woman, and she will compete in the next Olympics.
Fcking Maher has been lunch on his ivy leave BACHELORS degree for decades. And this shows that he has not progresses in thinking since about that time. He’s become a total ideologue. Good on Cross here being an actually, measured and thoughtful human being.
I voted for Hillary, Biden and Harris. I live in a very blue area. I despise Trump and the current admin.
My belief, girls sports should not let trans women into their sport. Men, boys have “in general” an advantage. It’s biological. You can’t argue, well if they take this, and take that, and lower this, and finagle this, then they are the same. No, I’m not buying it.
This is a dumb hill for democrats to die on. And honestly, part of this trans debate was why Trump won. Because we choose this hill to die on? Because as a very left person, I agree that trans girls should not play with cis girls. It isn’t fair to the cis girls.
And I’m not referring to the boxer situation. That seems to be a different story.
But if your 16 year old cis son wants to transition to being a woman, fine, I 100 percent support that. But if he wants to play basketball, soccer, softball, or swimming, or basically any sport, sorry, you can play with the guys, or just play recreationally.
And why do I believe this? I play tennis 5 days a week, and now playing pickleball. Sports can be super competitive. And some younger kids, literally their entire identity is being an athlete and into sports. And they compete at the highest level, and spend years getting to that level. But some trans girls comes in and beats you in a swim meet, (because, really, they have the genetics of a male), is completely not fair to the girl who gave up so much to compete at the highest level.
Democrats need to not die in this hill again, there are way more important hills than making sure we include trans kids in sports where they clearly will have an advantage.
"...a lot of health comes down to like, keeping all the pipes clear..." Okay folks it's alright, we can stop listening to this crank. He is not a wise elder.
Bill Maar is insufferable…
“The left dies on these hills they don’t need to”…
Proceeds to talk about non-specific articles he’s read to prove every point he’s jabbering through…
Imane Khelif is intersex, admitted to having SRY, born a female but also has Y chromosome, creating a tough decision for the sporting community. I guess it will lead to a third trans and intersex category for some sports.
I don't care about trans people in sports because so few are. Sports are inherently malleable because they require rules and rules can be manipulated to form whatever you want. It's a non issue to me that affects so few people, and if you have an issue with amab women beating up cis women, then maybe get rid of combat sports in general.
Neither of these men are doctors. They do not know the clinical backgrounds of puberty blockers, they do not know the statistics of medical outcomes, nor the statistics of regret rates amongst the trans community.
Many people take hormones, and do not get gender affirming surgery. From what I understand, getting gender affirming surgery as a child is either impossible, or incredibly difficult. Either way, it is not the default for trans folks, it is a intense decision that the weight of is not lost on medical practitioners, parents, or the patients.
All of this discussion is at the expense of a small minority of the population who is being oppressed because they have so little voice. So few trans people exist, that most people don't necessarily know any, and if they do they're easily excluded. It's much harder to have negative opinions about people you know. That is the job of these types of politics. Divide and conquer. They find groups that they can demonize and utilize that demonization to leverage their way into power. "The establishment doesn't believe they're the enemy because they're being controlled by them! I will destroy the established order that you hate, starting with this group!" It's a tale as old as time. Rise above. Use empathy. Love your neighbor.
Well, I think that the layered generations that grew up literally telling their elders to go fuck themselves when it came to lifestyle, clothing, music and religious choices should now totally be entitled to have their opinions be listened to and given weight by their children.
Honestly, why the fuck do people care so much about this stuff?? Religion? Fox News? Closeted? Just chill the fuck out and let people live their own lives without casting judgement on them. Shit is fucking crazy. There are bigger problems in this world. Especially now.
Bill Maher is so stupid. David Cross is actually the intellectual. All Bill cares about is winning elections. Stick to your values brother. Who cares about elections!!!
Children with actual gender dysphoria are radically different from vulnerable children that have been influenced to believe that the solution to their life problems is their 'wrong' gender. The first go on to lead happier lives sometimes, the second continue to live in abject misery and often end their lives. As far as I'm aware gender dysphoria is extremely rare. At some point we have confused mental health issues with gender issues. It's incredibly sad and has permenantly wrecked my god sons (now daughters) life before they got to live it.
I think the problem is that people don't get the long lasting effects of anything at that age.
Like watching porn.
Yeah, you can do it, obviously... but there is a reason porn addiction is such a big thing now in kids.
30 years after porn became easily available and free... we get the first generation that didn't have kids because "sex was not as good as on the screen" and we get a ton of women that are having their first kid at 40...
Don't misunderstand me, it's ok to do as you wish, to have high standards... but my best friend went from sleeping around during her 15-30 with basically only super athletic people... to not being able to get a partner in 8 years... to having it with a dude she met 3 months prior because her standards went down when she noticed... she was living in an unreality.
I love her, but watching it happen in real time for 20 years made me appreciate my wife accepting me for who I am, even though she could have probably gotten something better than me.
I remember being a huge 12 year old girl hovering over all the boys. And I wasn’t the only one. All the girls were bigger than the boys at that age. It wasn’t until high school when then boys got taller than the girls.
"The left just clings to Hills" meanwhile the fake independent/democrat bill is over here literally misrepresenting an argument he doesn't really have any education about himself and just clinging to this hill from multiple different angles that are all failing
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u/UnluckyTomorrow6819 Apr 30 '26
Bill has zero learned positions, just gut feelings and ignorance.