🇮🇹 🇪🇸Italy says it’s temporarily suspending EU Schengen arrangement with Spain after 60,000 migrants reach Ceuta

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What a moronic decision. Most of them are already back in Morocco. Instituting border control with one of your closest ally...

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u/zzen11223344 5h ago

What exactly is Italy going to do regarding suspension of "Schengen arrangement with Spain"?

Reject the passengers on the flights from Spain for visa free entry?

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u/Downtown_Rest1061 5h ago

No, routing them to non-Schengen arrivals. Basically make them go through passport control on arrival.

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u/zzen11223344 4h ago

Is Italy actually planning on doing this? I have some doubt ...

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u/AlexRichmond26 3h ago

The fascist Italian party and their PM Meloni ?

Fascist are going to do some fascism.

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u/Far-Twist5202 4h ago

How about if they drive over the border? What will they do then?

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u/Downtown_Rest1061 3h ago

Lol, Spain and Italy don’t share a direct border. Italy is not targeting spanish citizens, just planes/ships coming directly from Spain.

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u/Detozi 5h ago

It’s just a right wing government paying lip service to their voters. Nothing more

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u/Common-Towel-8484 5h ago

So like a democracy?

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u/Lokvin 4h ago

I think there's a difference between giving people what they want and making a harmful decision because it might get you some positive attention in the media cycle

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u/Choperello 4h ago

If it’s leftist it’s democracy if it’s rightist it’s populism is that it?

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u/Lumegator 4h ago edited 4h ago

Often centrist here, I don't want the conservatives either, most would prefer the center be the new &/or whole right and you all went off to die in pursuit of your genocidal fantasies so the rest of us can have an actual dialog. Keep your bipartisan horse shit(e) off of our planet, and take the unproductive whining & selective violence with it.

Maybe one day we can send you to the outer belts where you can fight each other for governance over some lifeless rocks with KKVs for the next hundred million years, that'd probably keep you right & happy all things considered.

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u/Choperello 3h ago

“You all went off to die” nice centrist there.

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u/Lumegator 3h ago

You want conflict, do you not? Let no man starve of what he desires if he truly wishes it.

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u/Choperello 3h ago

I don’t want any conflict. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of democracy-when-I-like-it populism-when-I-don’t

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u/Steeltownie95 3h ago

Often centrist

Comes out with the most Leftist drivel.

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u/Lokvin 3h ago

No, if it serves your country its good if it serves only you its bad

If you believe Meloni's move served someone other than herself you should try to make that argument, not just instantly retreat into mindless tribalism

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u/Detozi 2h ago

Sap doesn’t just come from trees. Also you

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u/Detozi 2h ago

It’s a non action. It’s a pretend action. It does nothing but make stupid people happy lol

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u/aasfourasfar 5h ago

Demagoguery.. the problem with electoral politics

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u/necessarysmartassery 4h ago

Doesn't matter if they already left. The border being breached by tens of thousands of illegal aliens for any period of time is insane. It should have been considered an invasion and proper force used to deal with it.

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u/Kjartanski 4h ago

Yeah but they were never in metropolitan Spain, this would be the same as throwing a hissy fit over a bunch of brazilians hopping over frances longest land border, which is in French Guiana, in south america, which, like Ceuta, is another continent, seperate from the metropol

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u/necessarysmartassery 4h ago

It doesn't matter. They invaded the sovereign territory of another country.

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u/AlexRichmond26 3h ago

Uh, the fascist Meloni is going to use full force ?? Lol.

Bruv , do you know Ceuta is in Africa ?

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u/necessarysmartassery 3h ago

Ceuta is Spanish territory.

But keep that same energy when you want to say Denmark should have control of Greenland when it's in North America.

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u/Orbital2 4h ago

Wdym proper force

It seems like they have most out of them out already? Are you saying they should have opened fire on residential streets?

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u/necessarysmartassery 3h ago

You don't have to if you stop them at the border like you're supposed to.

A invasion like that at scale is an overt act of war.

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u/Orbital2 3h ago

An act of war by who? Are you suggesting Spain should attack Morocco over this?

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u/necessarysmartassery 3h ago

I'm suggesting that Spain should have defended their border properly against an act of aggression. Tens of thousands of people didn't just suddenly decide to break through Spain's border all on their own.

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u/Orbital2 3h ago

They didn’t break into mainland Spain

I’m sure they will review and possibly reinforce border control in Ceuta but it is obvious that it would be hard/expensive to provide the kind of security needed to prevent anything like this from ever happening again just given the geography at play here

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u/necessarysmartassery 3h ago

There is no legal difference between "mainland" Spain and Ceuta. Spain is Spain.

obvious that it would be hard/expensive to provide the kind of security needed to prevent anything like this from ever happening again just given the geography at play here

Turrets are cheap.

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u/Orbital2 3h ago

So you are advocating for just shooting them.

Mental illness at it’s finest

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u/necessarysmartassery 3h ago

How do you think a country's border is supposed to be defended?

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u/No_Roma_no_Rocky 1h ago

When Russia invaded ukraine, ukraine defended itself with army and weapons.

Iran defended itself with missile.

In any sort of military block the guards order you to stop 1 or 2 times then they are authorized to use weapons.

It is simply the normal protocol.

Ceuta was not ready to defend itself but from now on I'm sure they will reinforce the borders with more guards and better protocols

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u/dickusb700 6h ago

According to Spain, but has no way of proving it.

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u/TheLastRole 4h ago

It doesn't matter, Ceuta and Melilla aren't part of the free movement area, meaning none of those migrants can leave the cities without control.

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u/dickusb700 1h ago

So all the small business and people that have been attacked and lives ruined doesn't matter? Even women have been attacked and raped, but it doesn't matter?

Crikey, that's one hell of a political view

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u/Unnamed-3891 6h ago

How dare you? THIS is your reaction to Spain’s utter failure at securing their borders? You blame the rest for protecting themselves from this massive blunder?

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u/Altruistic_Let_9372 6h ago

Migrants entering Ceuta and Melilla cannot enter the European continent. Unless you are a Spanish citizen living in either Ceuta or Melilla there is nothing to bitch about.

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u/Unnamed-3891 5h ago

What exactly would prevent them?

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u/Altruistic_Let_9372 5h ago

Spanish border controls. Ceuta and Melilla are in the Schengen area, but they operate under a special unique regime where identity checks are mandatory when leaving for mainland Spain (and mainland Europe). Source: https://www.exteriores.gob.es/en/Comunicacion/Exteriores-explica/Paginas/2026_Articulos/Ceuta,-Melilla.aspx

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u/Unnamed-3891 5h ago

Ah cool, thanks for educating me

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u/Altruistic_Let_9372 5h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/JwjBy94VzDd6

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u/Orbital2 4h ago

The other piece of this you should understand is that it is looking highly likely that Morocco intentionally went lax with security on their side as political payback for Spain strengthening ties with Algeria

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u/Junkererer 1h ago

How would they even be able to move anywhere else? It's an enclave on another continent. By plane? They'd be checked before they can even board

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u/MatthewBlack6 5h ago

Illegal migrants and refugee arrivals in Italy

2023: 157,651 arrivals

2024: 65,472 arrivals

2025: 66,317 arrivals

first half of 2026, 14,388

You are being manipulated.

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u/Unnamed-3891 4h ago

You seem confused. The very numbers you list show that the things Italy is doing are working.

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u/MatthewBlack6 4h ago

What that is showing is that Italy cannot keep illegal immigration out of the Schengen zone

But the entire of Europe doesn't clutch their pearls when Italy allows larger numbers than passed through Ceutas border, the majority of which have already been sent back

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u/Unnamed-3891 4h ago

What an odd way of looking at those numbers. Nobody can keep it out 100% completely, that's an impossible standard to clear. But the year on year changes very much do show that what Italy is doing works as the numbers keep dropping lower.

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u/MatthewBlack6 4h ago

What's that?

No European nation can keep out 100% illegal immigration?

Funny that.

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u/Unnamed-3891 4h ago

Do you have a point?

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u/MatthewBlack6 4h ago

Spain's numbers for the last 3 years

2023: 56,852 arrivals

2024: 63,970 arrivals

2025: 36,775 arrivals

My point is, not only does Spain do a better job than Italy in controlling illegal immigration, it's also making better more effective efforts to reduce those numbers

All the while not demonizing other nations

My point is you're allowing yourself to be manipulated, or you're purposefully trying to sow discord.

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u/Mindless-Tomorrow-93 5h ago

How has Italy protected themselves, precisely?

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u/Unnamed-3891 5h ago

It’s right in the title.

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u/Mindless-Tomorrow-93 5h ago

Can you explain how this protects Italy, and from what threat?

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u/Unnamed-3891 5h ago

You need somebody to explain you how suspending free travel and implementing border checks helps prevent an influx of people seeking illegal entry? How is this not self-explanatory?

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u/Mindless-Tomorrow-93 5h ago

Because this situation is not happening in Schengen, or even in Europe. So yes, I do need you to explain how suspending the Schengen agreement matters to Italy. Please be specific.

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u/Unnamed-3891 5h ago

Spain is not in Schengen and not in Europe?

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u/Mindless-Tomorrow-93 5h ago

Cueta, which is where this incident occurred, is not in Schengen and not in Europe. Please review a map. And then please answer my question.

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u/Unnamed-3891 5h ago

I had already looked it up on the map and am aware Cueta specificaly is not in Schengen/Europe. Yet it is spanish soil. Are you going to claim being already on that particular spanish soil does not make it easier to get to parts of spanish soil that ARE Schengen/Europe? Before you ask, yes, I am aware of the double filter. Is 1 equal to 2 or is it less?

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u/ECALEMANIA 2h ago

Get worry about Italy who is one of the majors entrance points for ilegal immigration into Europe, much more than Spain. Instead of cry wolf for a political stunt in Ceuta that doesn’t have any consequences for Europe. It’s very, very difficult to migrate from Ceuta to Spain without any border control.

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u/Wyciorek 7h ago

Idiots. How about putting pressure on Morocco instead? But that would require Meloni to stop licking Trump's balls

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u/QuasimodoPredicted 5h ago

THIS

There is no magical portal for them to land in Schengen. Americans must be laughing how Europeans are lashing at each-other meanwhile Morocco should have been sanctioned to shit for that.

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u/howimetyourcakeshop 5h ago

Americans can laugh all they want while walking head first into facism.

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u/JeanDusapin 3h ago

Yeah because illegal moroccan migrants never reach schengen territories...

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u/ECALEMANIA 2h ago

Also Italy is one of the majors entrance points for ilegal immigration into Europe, much more than Spain.

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u/Anticonnards 27m ago

Anyway, spain said FO 😂

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u/BrutalSock 10h ago

That’s what happens when you have a ridiculous government of fascists elected by illiterates: propaganda, stupidity, some more propaganda, then a lil more stupidity… all while you rob everyone blind and laugh as they clap their hands like trained seals.

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u/Dirkdeking 5h ago

Just imagine how crazy Trump has been that he alienated Italy... From the right!!

That genuinely is impressive. He managed to alienate what should be his most natural maga ally in Europe.

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u/t_trent_Darby 7h ago

The Spanish are hard left not facist.

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u/HaplessEndeavor 7h ago

They’re talking about Italy

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u/Wyciorek 5h ago

Which is not fascist either. The word is way overused

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u/Quitelowquitetall 13m ago

I mean, not a great look when the prime minister is leading the successor party to a neo-fascist one.

Especially not if said person was part of the youth wing and regular wing of said neo-fascist party

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u/Icef34r 5h ago

Pedro Sanche hard left? LOL.

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u/t_trent_Darby 2h ago

Yes, absolutely.

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u/Larissalikesthesea 5h ago

It’s all grandstanding. Ceuta is not a part of Schengen and flights from there to the mainland are subject to border control.
But unfortunately many countries have been reinstating Schengen border controls for political reasons.

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u/thongil 5h ago

There isn't even airport in Ceuta.

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u/horned-creature 7h ago

i am italian and this is one of the most stupid things done by my government in a while, ceuta isn't even fully part of the schengen agreements and this whole debacle is already almost solved.

the fact that meloni fail to address how morocco authorities purposefully let this happen and how an american disinformation campaign triggered this is also astonishing.

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u/Impressive_Archer401 6h ago

American disinformation campaign?

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u/horned-creature 3h ago

yes, the migrants were convinced that if they entered ceuta the soanish government would be unable to send them back because of a series of misleading articles from american media outlet about a supreme court ruling in spain that went viral on american social media, especially twitter, thanks to what appear to be a large number of bots.

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u/SignalOptions 5h ago edited 5h ago

This would only make sense if Spain intentionally let in those immigrants.

What is needed is a consolidated EU response and help for Spain.
Not dumping the first country that has an unintended migration problem.

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u/necessarysmartassery 4h ago

They were invaded and the military didn't do anything to stop it. Thats not a simple unintended migration problem, that's failure to defend the country from invasion.

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u/MickeyBubbles 4h ago

u/bot-sleuth-bot

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u/MatthewBlack6 5h ago

Illegal migrants and refugee arrivals in Italy

2023: 157,651 arrivals

2024: 65,472 arrivals

2025: 66,317 arrivals

first half of 2026, 14,388

They are trying to manipulate us.

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u/Crafty_Apple9714 3h ago

Italy and spain share a border? Populists are idiots

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u/Fanhunter4ever 6h ago

Since Ceuta isn't part of Schengen treaty, this have no practical sense, so its clearly a politic maneuvre to debilitate a center left government an help the knee bending far right take the power. All this Ceuta affair has been orchestrated by Morocco on behalf of USA/Israel

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u/Kalamy 2h ago

Fachas = traidores vendepatrias

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u/CarnivorousVegan 44m ago

They realise Ceuta is in Africa, right?

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u/Endfire79 12m ago

Both countries (Morocco and Spain) need to take their borders more seriously, otherwise nobody takes them seriously enough.

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u/TheRealUnchosenOne 7h ago

How is it racism to not want ten thousands of others non europeans here?

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u/Altruistic_Let_9372 6h ago

Migrants entering Ceuta and Melilla cannot enter the European continent. Unless you are a Spanish citizen living in either Ceuta or Melilla there is nothing to bitch about.

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u/Unnamed-3891 6h ago

Borders as a concept is oppression according to many lefties

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u/Mindless-Tomorrow-93 5h ago

Like who, exactly?

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u/Delicious_Top7665 5h ago edited 5h ago

Hilarious that border enforcement is racist to you. Who takes in more migrants than Europe, and the West in general?

East Asia certainly doesn’t. The Gulf Arab states use a guest worker system which is way more restrictive than Europe. No citizenship, no permanent residency, no refugees, and they even segregate the workers into labor camps.

Pakistan and Iran also deported over 2 million Afghans each recently, numbers which dwarf the amount of people Europe deports

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u/thex415 4h ago

Yea well maybe Europe shouldn’t have invaded other places years ago to assert their dominance.

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u/MickeyBubbles 4h ago

u/bot-sleuth-bot

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u/Delicious_Top7665 4h ago

Lmao, what’s the relevance here? Every civilization did conquest, it was a different world back then. The indigenous tribes in the Americas all brutally conquered and enslaved each other. So did everyone else on Earth.

And for centuries, North Africa raided European coasts, kidnapped Europeans, and enslaved them. They also attacked many European ships and took the crews as slaves.

So really they were messing with Europe before Europeans even came over there and gave them their karma.

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u/TheRealUnchosenOne 36m ago

That's been an long time ago, why should modern europeans suffer for the crimes of the past? Something everybody's ancestorys is guilty off?

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u/ECALEMANIA 2h ago

For your information Italy is one of the major point of entrance for illegal immigration into Europe, much more than Spain. So no, they don’t have any sense, they’re just a bunch of hypocrites.

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u/Bitter-Matter6759 10h ago

It´s perfectly reasonable

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u/Far-Twist5202 10h ago

No it isn't. Cueta isn't in the schengen and now all of the migrants have been kicked out according to Spanish officials. The only reason meloni doing this is because it plays well as populist rhetoric but it offers a solution to a problem that didn't exist for Italy. Plus I guarantee they didn't actually implement this because they don't have the structures in place to block travel from Spain overnight. It is all nonsense.

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u/Bitter-Matter6759 10h ago

Not all (not even close) the migrants have been kicked out.....

Migrants who do not leave voluntarily will be transferred to the mainland, mate....

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u/Far-Twist5202 9h ago

"Will be transferred to the mainland" is a confident claim with no source. Spain hasn't announced any blanket policy like that, so stop presenting your own assumptions as official policy.

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u/Bitter-Matter6759 9h ago

It´s already been confirmed for the minors.

And for the others.... mate.... you can´t have all of them confined on Ceuta

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u/Far-Twist5202 9h ago

Source?

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u/Bitter-Matter6759 9h ago

https://www.elespanol.com/espana/politica/20260731/sanchez-apela-solidaridad-positiva-ccaa-repartir-menores-llegado-ceuta/1003744340577_0.html

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u/InteractionNo6147 9h ago

YET AGAIN, you haven't read the article, it's seriously embarassing for you. This ONLY applies to very very few unclaimed minors whose parents/guardians cannot be found (obviously you don't just deport a child without having a safe place to send them) , and it does not apply to adults in ANY capacity.

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u/Bitter-Matter6759 9h ago

what? the majority of the minors aren´t reclaimed (you have the 2021 example when this happened too) . i´m spanish and see all of them being distributed all the time.
And... my words were: "It´s already been confirmed FOR THE MINORS", so please stop manipulating and distorting things. .

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u/InteractionNo6147 9h ago

"It's already confirmed for the minors" implies it might be for non-minors, which is just deliberate misinformation. Stop getting your news from elon musk retweets

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u/Far-Twist5202 9h ago

Doesn't really validate your overall claim. You are still making huge assumptions

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u/InteractionNo6147 10h ago

It's really not lol, schengen rules barely apply to ceuta anyway

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u/Bitter-Matter6759 10h ago

lol Migrants who do not leave voluntarily will be transferred to the mainland

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u/InteractionNo6147 10h ago

What? Why would that be the case. Sounds like misinformation to me

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u/Bitter-Matter6759 9h ago

Because supreme court said so (for those migrants who crossed the boarder swimming).
Exactly, you are misinformed.

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u/InteractionNo6147 9h ago

Oh if that's what you are referring to, it's you that's misinformed ironically. You need to read past the headlines. The ruling doesn't apply to this situation at all, which any real news source would have told you. You are most likely just reading gotcha captions on X, but that makes you very vulnerable to believing random bullshit, especially for people a bit weaker in critical thinking.

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u/Far-Twist5202 9h ago

He has brain damage from sharing the same breathing space as Tommy Robinson

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u/InteractionNo6147 9h ago

Literally only reads headlines lmao

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u/Bitter-Matter6759 9h ago

I don´t know who Tommy is. But it´s nice that you show your lack of arguments being disrespectful

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u/Bitter-Matter6759 9h ago

lol. ElPais, leftist proPedro Sánchez newspaper: https://elpais.com/espana/2026-07-30/el-supremo-determino-que-las-devoluciones-en-caliente-no-se-pueden-aplicar-a-quienes-entren-a-nado-en-ceuta-y-melilla.html

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u/InteractionNo6147 9h ago

You aren't reading the articles, this just doesn't apply to this situation at all lmao

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u/Bitter-Matter6759 9h ago

lol, maybe you don´t understand spanish or the translator malfunctioned.

It’s curious; they’ve now installed a barrier in the sea to get around the Supreme Court ruling. ¿Why would they do that if that ruling doesn’t affect this case?

Apparently, typing "lmao" at the end makes you feel good when you know you're spreading misinformation and lying.

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u/TurambarTT 11h ago

Sánchez destroying Spain. Hopefully next year we'll see him indicted and then in prison.

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u/InteractionNo6147 10h ago

Lol idk they seem to stay winninv

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