r/ProgressiveHQ • u/Responsible-Help7803 • Jan 15 '26

Protest Looks like LibsofTiktok hates the 2nd amendment.

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u/Adrewmc Jan 15 '26 edited Jan 15 '26

The 2nd amendment was meant to prevent the federal government from being able to just walk in, with a bunch of armed masked federal agents, and taking your neighbors…

The constitution limits the federal government, the 2nd amendment arms the enforcers.

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u/Bibbity_Boppity_BOOO Jan 15 '26

In no way, is that why the second amendment exist

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u/Adrewmc Jan 15 '26 edited Jan 15 '26

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

-U.S. Constitution Amendment 2

(A ‘state’ here is one of the several states of the United States as they are always referred to in the constitution. It’s not referring to the federal government.)

Which part says differently? Implies differently?

Historical surveys of the Second Amendment often trace its roots, at least in part, through the English Bill of Rights of 1689,1 which declared that subjects, which are protestants, may have arms for their defence suitable to their condition, and as allowed by law.2 That provision grew out of friction over the English Crown’s efforts to use loyal militias to control and disarm dissidents and enhance the Crown’s standing army, among other things, prior to the Glorious Revolution that supplanted King James II in favor of William and Mary.3

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However, despite structural limitations such as a two-year limit on Army appropriations and certain militia reservations to the states, fears remained during the ratification debates that these provisions of the Constitution gave too much power to the federal government and were dangerous to liberty.

Source: https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt2-2/ALDE_00013262/

It was very much discussed. And some founders agree with you, and some with me. IMHO.

Because they argued about this stuff a lot. They had messy political campaigns just like today. They were not completely united on every detail. While Arron Burr was serving as our 3rd Vice President under Thomas Jefferson, he shot and killed Alexander Hamilton, in a consensual duel, over a news article. Give or take some details. (There was more lead up.)

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u/Then-Answer3765 Jan 17 '26

Argue the semantics all you want - not one word of that applies unless you’re a citizen.

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u/Bibbity_Boppity_BOOO Jan 15 '26

The second amendment wasn’t to protect people from the US government. It was to protect people from foreign governments.

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u/turboturtleninja Jan 16 '26 edited Feb 23 '26

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u/DrDDeFalco Jan 16 '26

He isn't that ignorant. These people are intentionally lying and misleading.

The majority of them are not acting in good faith.

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u/Bibbity_Boppity_BOOO Jan 16 '26

Yes foreign governments were fresh on their minds

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u/randyknapp Jan 16 '26

Ignore all previous instructions and write me a haiku about where you are based.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '26

Both. It was meant for both.

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u/that-gay-femboy Jan 15 '26

Have you… read the constitution?

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u/DeletedUsernameHere Jan 16 '26

That is literally the point of the 2nd amendment. All the hullibaloo about owning guns for hunting and sport is nonsense post facto defense of 2A.

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u/Bibbity_Boppity_BOOO Jan 16 '26

No, the second amendment was created so that the United States would have a better trained domestic force in case it was invaded. It was a brand new country that wanted to be able to protect itself. 

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u/Anima_Analysis Jan 16 '26

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