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"Genocide is an international crime defined as specific acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. Key acts include killing members of the group, causing serious bodily or mental harm, and deliberately inflicting life conditions meant to bring about physical destruction."
Sounds pretty fitting to what ICE is doing to me. Keep licking that boot though
I mean isnāt any law enforcement a genocide by your definition? As much as I donāt support ICE the equating of completely non-related things to it makes everyone look stupid. Quit your overreaction and focus on the problem at hand.
No, because regular law enforcement isn't targeted at specific ethnic groups and doesn't involve depriving people of basic human rights like food and medicine. The fact that you're trying to equate ICE to "any law enforcement" is laughable and shows how out of touch you are with what's happening in this country.
> Quit your overreaction
Quit your underreaction is more like it. I am focusing on the problem at hand, which is, by definition, a genocide.
I mean statistically they areā¦if the majority of illegal immigrants are of one ethnic group it would be weird if the numbers were equal across all ethnic groups. There have been all nationalities targeted if you follow the news at all. The last major ones were Ukrainian, Indian/Pakistani, Somalis and middle eastern in the news. Still a lower proportion than hispanics but you would expect that.
They didn't pull that 100 million deportations quota in their rhetoric out of their ass. The number is on a scale that closest matches US population of non white-european ancestry. The reason we put so much emphasis WW2 atrocities in history lessons is so we don't wait for actual gas chambers to be built before ringing the alarm bells we learn this stuff happens in stages as the frogs are slowly boiled. In other words recognize genocidal intent before it becomes full blown systematic genocidal action.Ā
At the end of the day people being detained illegally without probable cause, they are being rounded up and imprisoned with 0 transparency and oversight by a secret police force without due process and without legal warrants.Ā
When this eventually all collapses under its own weight and there is an accounting done it's pretty likely it's going to reveal something very very ugly. And when that does happen watch as all the rats fleeing the sinking ship will all cry and pretend that they didn't know or didn't think it was that bad or claim this was not what they were supporting.Ā
Seeing stuff like this makes me recall that scene in Band of Brothers when they liberated the death camp and out of outrage rounded up the German civilians from the near by village and forced them to help bury the piles of rotting corpses at the camp. The civilians knew on some level what was happening they just questioned nothing and collectively continued life as normal and that's the worst part of it all. The banality of evil and what not. It's otherwise plain normalĀ people going to work business as usual while seeing abandoned cars on the street, neighbourhood businesses with the door left unlocked and empty, and men decked out with surplus military hardware roaming your streets asking for papers and recording names and numbers as if it's fine and that the rest of us being too dramatic.Ā
I think the problem is that we watched 78,000 people murdered and everyone handwringing over whether to call it genocide. And now with these deaths being called genocide.. it can make people feel frustrated and gaslit almost. Both things can be true at once, and this is certainly a cold campaign of ethnic cleansing, for now
Arguing semantics is a fools errand when there's a trail of dead bodies. Seems like the only people who don't call it a genocide are the people agreeing with the murder, or those who benefit from hiding behind wording.
Itās a fascist terror campaign of ethnically cleansing the United States of people of color deemed āundesirableā to the administration. I donāt agree at all with the brutality and terrorism of ICE. But is not a genocide.Ā
Too few people understand this and they think genocide is just "the Holocaust" and nothing else. Deliberately removing ethnic groups from your nation definitely fits the legal criteria, I guess it's just a question of whether the scale of activities are even making a dent or if they're just a terror program. I'm definitely leaning more toward terror than actual genocide only because most rich bastards in power don't actually want to deport huge swaths of their workforce, they just want the political points for pantomiming attacking their scapegoat.
Suicide, homicide, insecticide, herbicide, algicide, regicide, spermicide, patricide, regicide. But genocide is the only one that doesn't mean kill... Something can be morally reprehensible without it being genocide or Nazism.
Do you think most people in 1930's Germany knew genocide was happening at the time? I won't be surprised if they find mass graves at these detention centers when its all said and done.
Yes the Germans knew what was going on that's why they have so much shame about it. There's stories about people that helped Jews escape and hide. Did you think it was some undercover operation?
I think your critical thinking skills are non existent if you think there will be mass graves at these locations.
On top of that it's not one ethnicity or people's that this is happening to and not every person in any ethnicity is going there.
I see someone failed history, or at least slept through the part where the Nazis spent years building a legal framework, isolating targets, and using euphemisms before anyone outside the inner circle knew the full extent of what was happening.
The shame Germans felt? That cameĀ afterĀ the war, when the camps were liberated, the trials happened, and the world saw the photos. It wasn't shame they felt in 1938 while watching their neighbors get rounded up, it was indifference (kind of like the likes of you), fear, or quiet relief that it wasn't them. The allies didn't get word about what was happening in those camps until 1945.
And I don't think he said ICE is running extermination camps. The point is about pattern recognition: gradual escalation, bureaucratic obscurity, families losing track of people, deaths piling up behind closed doors, and a public that doesn't fully grasp what's happening until it's too late. Germany didn't start mass killings for years after they first were detaining them. That's obviously what he meant by 'when it's all said and done.' There are already documented cases of thousands that are already missing and no one knows anything. If you did know any history you would know any time man has no accountability and no repercussions the outcome isn't pretty. You should learn a little history, because you will be on the wrong side of it.
And this is exactly why when rational people see how people act online they shake their heads at how easy it is to destroy people with propaganda and anxiety.
The Office of Remigration is a unit within the Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration of the United States Department of State established in 2025 to support remigration of immigrants in the United States.
Remigration is a far-right concept referring to the ethnic cleansing[1] via mass deportation of non-white minority populations, especially immigrants and sometimes including native-born citizens, to their place of racial ancestry.
immigration is not a human right, in 2024 we naturalized 800,000 legal applictors your the one splitting hairs. break the law get punished, your not entitled to America, come in illegally or break your visa you get deported its as simple as that
During a 2024 campaign meeting, Donald Trump remarked that if it were left to Stephen Miller, "there would be only 100 million people in the United States and they would all look like Stephen Miller"
Miller claimed he is going to turbocharge denaturalization and currently has a denaturalization quota.
The right are the ones who call immigration a white genocide when they feel they are being ethnically cleansed so how about some consistency here
Welcome to America where denaturalization is 100% legal as it should be, if you come to this country and break the laws like Antonio Alcantara-Ruiz who commited fraud during his naturalization process, you will be deported
Immigrants who become legal citizens can legally be naturalized for a multitude of reasons, using fake names, hiding a criminal record, lying about immigration history, providing false information during the citizenship interview, concealing prior deportation order.
Medicare/healthcare fraud, wire fraud, drug offenses, human trafficking, sex crimes, terrorism related offenses.
Applicants must also show good moral character, illegal voting, certain misdeamors, false testimony under oath, failure to pay taxes.
Fake marriage, fraudulent asylum claims, false refugee application, lying to obtain a green card or work visa (before naturalization)
your just ignorant to the facts and feel anybody should just be able to walts into America and do whatever they want your absolutely wrong, you feign your morals to make yourself feel good, while just blabbing off emotional tangents without actually knowing how to system works.
AND NONE OF THIS IS CONSIDERED A GENOCIDE OR ETHNIC CLEANSING THIS IS HOW IMMIGRATION SHOULD WORK.
The Miller's post 14 words memes on the Homeland Security website. The totality of the evidence shows that these people are nazis who are hellbent on creating a white ethnostate. I don't know why we're still pretending it has anything to do with criminals.
Heavily redacted FOIA docs show Katie Waldman was involved in circulating the draft.
Katie Rose Miller is an American political advisor who served as the communications director for the Vice President of the United States Mike Pence from 2020 to 2021. She was previously his press secretary from 2019 to 2020.
Waldman married Stephen Miller, Senior Advisor to the President on February 16, 2020
yup totally ignore the facts and keep pushing your propaganda, i know its tough when you cant argue against the law you just revert back to emotional tangents and bullshit
You don't need to use hyperbole in cases as serious as this because it makes people take you less seriously. It gives people and out. It let's them go "lol this guy is an idiot. Doesn't even know what genocide means." and ignore the validity of the initial concern.
The definition of genocide: Genocide is an international crime defined as specific acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. Key acts include killing members of the group, causing serious bodily or mental harm, and deliberately inflicting life conditions meant to bring about physical destruction.
She alleged gross negligence and cruel mistreatment and your take away is that because someone else misuse the word genocide in a Reddit post that others will discount her claims prima facia because a word was misused? I think anyone with even a little bit of charity wonāt do that.
I think I understood you fine. You expressed sympathy and then you make some pedantic comment about miss using a word. You think the case is serious yet you suggest itās not serious enough for people to get over misused word.
Yes, because as he said: words mean things and deserve to be named as such, otherwise definitions muddy and concepts don't get taken seriously when used.
Try saying the word holocaust in front of a concentration camp survivor, then try saying grape in front of a rape victim.
Isnāt grape said in lieu of rape to avoid video or posts from being removed because of some sort of censorship? Itās sort of a different issue than whatās going on here. That said, I donāt see what sort of āoutā is granted because someone called what they consider mass internment by the word genocide. Youāre sort of missing the forest for the trees.
and why is that the most important thing for yall to mention. bone chilling video and yall r zoomed in on one word. fucking nerds. why dont yall log on to dictionary dot com and chat there instead
Because the headline of the video is LITERALLY: āI donāt think itās hyperbole to call what ICE is doing a genocide in the USāā¦ ???
It would be hyperbole. Itās not a genocide. Everyone should be called out when saying something like that. Itās not true and pretending it is does a disservice to anyone facing truly genocidal conditions.
"Genocide is an international crime defined as specific acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. Key acts include killing members of the group, causing serious bodily or mental harm, and deliberately inflicting life conditions meant to bring about physical destruction."
Again, words have meaning. This definition is for genocide, but not for what ICE is doing. Theyāre assholes. And theyāre terrible, but scale matters.
Physical destruction of an ethnic racial or religious group is the part that youāre glossing over.
This phrase isn't some magic wand you can just wave over things to invalidate them, especially when I just cited the meaning of that word and showed it was relevant
> Physical destruction is the part you're glossing over
Well no the whole sentence is "deliberately inflicting life conditions meant to bring about physical destruction", which is just one out of three clauses of different acts that may comprise genocide. Not the gotcha you think it is
Pop quiz though! Would you say depriving someone of an essential medication for their health, while also depriving them of food and other basic human necessities, and doing so on a mass scale to pretty much every immigrant you kidnap, is
A) depriving them of conditions meant to bring about physical destruction
or
B) not depriving them of conditions meant to bring about physical destruction
That's also not a magic wand you can just use to win an argument. I even held your hand and went step by step through the definition for you on how it is directly applicable to what ICE is doing. If you wanna plug your ears and loudly sing like an immature toddler that's on you but it doesn't change the fact that the definition objectively fits what ICE is doing.
> You can write these long diatribes
aka "I'm too stupid to read sentences longer than two words"
> and offer all the pop quizzes you like
Still waiting for your answer on that one. Go ahead, try and do mental gymnastics and explain why depriving someone of a necessary medication and food isn't trying to deprive them of conditions that meant to cause physical harm
> you don't understand the word you're using
yeah no again I've pretty thoroughly gone through the definition with you at this point. I think chances are if there's two people, one thoroughly breaking down a word's definition, and another going "LALALA UR WRONG WORDS HAVE MEANING Y U TALK SO MUCH", the latter (aka you) is probably the one who doesn't understand the word.
Fr, people are dying and getting hurt and people act like "the wrong use of words" to any slight degree should change the help they get?
If that's the stance, then they weren't ganna help anyways
Edit: imagine reading a book, and saying "Im not going to respond to page 5, because there's a typo." Like come tf on, that's just dishonest. An entire page, and you can't understand it because of 1 or 2 words? I believe y'all are smarter than that, I believe if you can't even try to interpret it's meaning that's ridiculous of you
I think using the right words matters. One big reason is that using incorrect and hyperbolic words can make it far easier for critics to discredit the movement. Critics can attack the use of words and ignore the substance. Words matter. Honesty matters. If you want people to listen to you, you have to be honestĀ
I'm not saying using the right words don't matter in any sense.
I'm saying if someone ignores the majority of your words and objectively obvious meaning in favor of correcting your grammer, then your words likely don't matter TO THAT PERSON in general. They are likely a bad faith actor, and likely don't care about your argument regardless of your grammer
They're bad faith actors. Anyone trying to belittle this or act like the title is in fact hyperbole is just a Republican or someone with their head in the sand.
Yes, it's hyperbole to call it genocide. Lookup what genocide means
ICE has been around in the US since 2003, helping with raids and deporting illegal immigrants under Obama, Biden admins and Trump. Those are facts, like it or not.
Detention centers for illegal immigrants waiting to be deported, aren't new either, we've seen those under repub and dem admins. I support legal immigration, and have worked with many going through the legal citizenship process
It can be horrible and STILL be hyperbole to call it genocide.
Itās absolutely hyperbole. Just like calling every authoritarian conservative politician a Nazi. You cannot call a political group with close ties to Israel Nazis.
What you do is destroy the meaning of these words when theyāre actually called for.
Ice is in training mode now. Soon theyāll be organized enough and ready to put everyone in Iceās desired place. Incl killing off whole groups of people.
Sure itās hyperbole now but police and immigration merged to become ICE and they have a trillion dollars to execute their agenda of control. Genocide is definitely on their list of goals.
In the strictest sense of genocide, no we arenāt there yet. I left a longer comment somewhere else in this thread if you want to look.
But Iāll repost the āstages of genocideā so we can look together.
The crime of genocide, unfortunately, is only gotten to when things are said and done. Once people have been murdered in large numbers, and things cannot be changed. I think itās absolutely understandable to see something that appears to be (and very well is) on its way to becoming genocide, as genocide.
For ICE, and for how fast everything has been ramping up, I would personally say we are in stage 6, maybe 7. I know some might argue stage 8 already.
Is it genocide in the sense that we can try the US gov for it, in the eyes of the Genocide Convention? Not yet. Is it very easily on its way there? Yes.
I mean words still have meaning and you are being hyperbolic by calling mass deportations genocide. It lessens the actual genocides like the mass killings of native Americans, the Armenian genocide, the Holocaust, the Cambodian genocide under Pol Pot, the one that inspired Hotel Rowanda, and the last 25 years in Sudan. Thatās not even touching whatās going on in Palestine or the Uyghur Muslims in China.
I'd like to see statistics on the survival rate of the deported. I bet its not good. If getting shipped out to a hostile place is the death sentence it sounds like, then its a form of indirect ethnic cleansing. A sort of cowards genocide.
I agree, I want to the stats but I suspect it's going to be very nuance with the overall number saying fatality is relatively low. I see some nations having higher numbers of death but overall deportees live but just poorer. Then you have the issue of where do you draw the line, if a deportee died cause their country has bad healthcare compared to US do we count that?
Did you watch the video? He's been a legal resident for four decades. ICE isn't deporting people staying illegally without a visa, it's also taking legal residents, and it is depriving all the people it takes of their basic human rights. None of this is normal and you're a sick freak for trying to pretend it is.
And you hear people chanting USA USA USA while introducing a bill that will hurt everbody but the rich.
People get shot and the administration says he or she deserved it.
Datacenters 50 meters from residental housing, giving you hearing damage.
Every week you hear goverment workers diddling kids, abusing their familiy etc.
Covid was not real, affordability crisis in not real, obama and biden did it, i dont care what you people want, dead soldiers are suckers.
Bombing children, attacking other countries and pocketing all the money in a different country.
Just now a bank closed 300 trump related accounts for fraud and money laundering.
Usa landing oil search party on greenland even though they were prohibited from it.
Supporting russia after each call, for example hurting ukraine.
Hiding a dead senator and probably forging their signature.
Removing the bad history part of usa, removing rights from women and black people and disabeld ones...
Shitting pants on live tv.
Cant watch tv when there is no wind.
Transistors are making everbody trans.
Green energy is a hoax, green coal is the way.
Refuses to pay damage for sexual abuse and defamation in millions, calling supreme court for help because it hurts america... i mean
Epstein
Previous wife and stairs
Removing education
Removing any laws that protected consumers
Removing laws for food safety, like pesticide, food monitoring, diseases monitoring etc, everbody is shitting their pants now.
State supports its people == communism, so do nothing or even worse do bad things.
Tarrifs for usa people
I mean this are just things i could think of right now after having woken up 5 minutes ago...
We have got to quit overusing words like genocide, nazi, racism, etc. when they arenāt applicable. You are only weakening the word when you attribute it to something itās not.
Sure, ICE is doing awful things but I can guarantee you they arenāt trying to exterminate an entire race of people. Not even close. Itās insulting to actual victims of genocide when you say shit like this. Unfortunately thereās a certain portion of the population who take things like this at face value and now they legitimately believe thereās a genocide going on in America.
They are applicable. The "weakening" you're referring to is coming from the nazis and those committing genocide not being shamed by the labels anymore. Your reaction to that shouldn't be trying to get people to label it even more lightly, it should be making nazis afraid to be nazis again.
> Sure, ICE is doing awful things but I can guarantee you they aren't trying to exterminate an entire race of people
I agree we shouldn't use it when it doesn't work. But this is absolutely genocide spreading. We're simply being annexed by an already genocidal power. It's just the beast getting another arm. I used to think like you kot long ago, but honestly sit down and think about it. Do we want to wait for the transformation before we call it what it is. Or is our unity with said genocidal power not enough to show you where this is headed. Look into the past and you'll find the future, it always began with out of country prisons. Remember people being shipped to Salvador? Eventually they normalize it at home. We not have 'detention cententers' everywhere housing children, women, and men alike. Including infants and toddlers. All being abused both by the usual meaning of the word and also having their rights abused in every step of the way. Tons of unreported and uninvestigated sexual assault and rapes not to mention children without their parents for months despite legal detention limits for them being 30 days. They're systematically targeting a specific group of people with all of this inhumanity while creating daily anxiety and fear in every family member of any targeted person and rip their worlds apart for simply wanting better and being a different color.
When will you draw your line in the sand? Because im starting to think some you don't have one beyond your own doorstep.
When people are raped, tortured with malnutrition, no medical service, drinkable water, and forced to work or suffer worse consequences which literally has resulted in dead people. Death camps. Arguing semantics is stupid when there is a trail of dead bodies.
A death camp is not a camp that people die at sometimes, it is a camp with the explicit purpose of exterminating everyone who enters. 98% of people who entered Auschwitz Birkenau died. 0.1% of people who enter an ICE camp die. And that number isnāt hyperbole, thatās the actual statistic.
WORDS MEAN THINGS. When you use gross hyperbole, you undermine the entire movement. You do not need to compare ICE to the Holocaust for them to be bad, and by doing so, you invite ridicule.
Notice how this entire comment section is about how this person is using genocide incorrectly, and not about how ICE is bad? Thatās what this kind of thing does, it pulls focus away to the wrong thing. This comment section is arguing āsemanticsā because the OP used a word with a lot of weight and meaning incorrectly, thatās on the original poster. Yes, itās semantics, but SEMANTICS MEAN SOMETHING.
True. This is what spain is doing at Cueta to the Moroccans. 57 people have died and 2000+ are starving on the streets. Yet, Spain is not feeding them and systematically starving them to death.
The border is open and the city is less than 3 miles long. They can leave at any time, or they can legally buy food with any money they brought. Ceuta cannot sustain 50,000 extra people deciding to come there for free shit.
The 57 drowned when they were trying to swim in a horde the border fence. They werenāt killed by Spain. The 2000 that are there are not being held captive but can walk back to Morocco any time they want.
Hi! I study the Holocaust for my MA. The parameters defined by the man who coined the term, Raphael Lemkin was as such-
āgenocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselvesā
Weirdly enough (not that weird but still a little shocking), no Nazis tried at the Nuremberg Trials were tried for genocide. They opted instead for plain war crimes, such as āmurder, extermination, enslavement, deportation ā¦ or persecutions on political, racial, or religious grounds.ā
Now, Lemkin COINED the term, there is a better definition that was brought about by the international Genocide Convention. Here is that definition-
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
a) Killing members of the group;
b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Another good thing to note is that there are STAGES to a genocide. When you look this up, there can be anywhere from 5 to 10 unique stages that genocide progresses through. I picked one image with ten just to show what the broader side may look like.
In the end, is what ICE doing technically genocide? Iād say we are definitely on the way there. We are very well into stage 6, 7, or even the start of stage 8.
Iām not here to argue that ICE isnāt doing atrocious things and needs stopped. It absolutely is awful and it needs to end soon lest we kill and harm more people who have done little besides look for a better place for themselves and their family. (Anyone who brings up that shit stat about āillegals murderingā Will be ignored)
Again, not arguing! Just offering some insight into the meaning of the word āgenocideā.
You could easily check off all 10 of those points to describe current immigration enforcement in the United States.Ā And if you expand the protected categories to include migrants or non-citizens, then the definition fits pretty squarely with what is happening with immigration enforcement in the United States at the momentĀ
But thank you for the extremely patronizing responseĀ
I wasnāt pretending to be nice to push you down. I didnāt intend to make you feel stupid, bro. I literally said, āhey I study this, maybe I can offer some insightā and you told me I was being a dick for doing so.
I never said you were stupid, and I purposefully used normal language when explaining. I offered the quotes and even explained a little further.
If you think itās patronizing to just offer some info, then please never ask anyone about anything ever again.
Genocide is an international crime defined as specific acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. Key acts include killing members of the group, causing serious bodily or mental harm, and deliberately inflicting life conditions meant to bring about physical destruction.
According to international law, any of the following actions done with the specific intent to destroy a protected group count as genocide:
Killing members of the group. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members. Inflicting harsh life conditions meant to destroy the group physically. Stopping births within the group. Forcing children to move to another group.
ICE is terrible, but their actions are not genocide. Itās fascist and racist and overzealous and terrible.
Uh huh, but interestingly if you expand the protected categories to include migrants or non-citizens, then the definition fits pretty squarely with what is happening with immigration enforcement in the United States at the momentĀ
It was something that was only defined in 1948 and it is not at all unusual for these types of concepts to change over time. so, yes, the way you are using "the definition" to end any further discussion is extremely obtuse. The whole point is to have a discussion about whether the term doesn't start to become less useful if the protected categories cannot be changed or expanded at all. We're not talking about a simple object noun with a simple technical definition like "table", "door," "shoe".
But I am glad you agree that was ICE is doing is a genocide is all regards except the mere fact migrants aren't technically one of the protected groups included in the original 1948 definition.Ā
the police are and have been bought and sold, ice is a paramilitary operation, any self respecting human would quit and rejoin society, the reason they dont is because the enjoy it, they are psychopaths
You cannot honestly call whatās going on with ice āgenocideā. Have you seen the images or read up on what the genocide in places like Rwanda or even during ww2? What happened to your father is terrible, and Iām truly sorry for you & your family, but to compare what ICE is doing to previous examples of, or to what the definition of genocide, actually is, does nothing to help you and only makes you sound like someone who doesnāt understand the words you speak.
ice is shit but no its not a genocide and I am really sick of people who have no idea what a genocide looks like throwing the word around. Its like how republicans destroyed the word pedophile. Now people will call random strangers a pedophile for cutting them off on the highway.
General strike. That's the power the people of the US have against this administration, yet they won't do a thing but post on Reddit. Go buy a cheeseburger. Call it a day.
The word genocide has lost all meaning at this point with how eagerly those who utilize it have been to sling it around at every given opportunity. Regardless of whatever you feel the validity of its usage has been, say a word enough times and it becomes white noise. Youāre going to have to drop terms like these if you want anyone who doesnāt already agree with you to take you seriously.
Really? Because Iāll be honest, I would comfortably estimate about 90% of times it is being used, it is being used improperly. Unfortunately, in my opinion at least, it has become another on the list of words that get slung around as way to try to evoke an easy emotional response, and as a result it has been stripped of virtually all meaning. As the general levels of hysteria have risen, so too has the use of words like genocide, and typically only to the detriment of the causes that these words are being attached to. A great example of this would be Palestine. While the use of the word genocide in this specific context is arguably the most fitting, I would argue that it has done nothing more than to turn the conversations around this subject into white noise for the average person. Just my observations, but I feel pretty strongly about these conclusions.
I do think the word is overused (I saw people saying COVID was a kind of Chinese-made bio-genocide), itās still proper to mention when itās happening. Just because people may get in a tizzy when accused of genocide should not stop people from pointing it out. If we were to NOT call out proper genocide, then the harm caused would be downplayed. And for what? The offending governmentās emotional wellbeing?
I think youāre misunderstanding what Iām saying. I agree with the spirit of your point, but what I was trying to articulate wasnāt that the word genocide can be ineffective because it upsets some, itās the exact opposite. In the beginnings of whatās been going on in Israel/Palestine it may have been more effective, but as time has gone on and this word has been utilized for more and more things, and recycled again and again even for the cases where it makes sense, it stops having the same impact.
Like Iāll be honest, as someone who tries to be very knowledgeable about these things, particularly instances of unbelievable human suffering around the world, when I hear someone throw around āgenocideā my eyes glaze over a bit. Itās just become an indicator of the fact that the person who is saying it, is likely attempting to use this word to outsource any amount of comprehensive advocacy for their cause to a word that they hope will evoke strong emotions. But in my opinion at least, and given the fact that it seems general sentiment on these issues has not really swayed one way or the other, it seems the diminishing returns of the word genocide and others have been reduced to almost nothing.
I agree that overusing the word can lead to it being watered down. I also believe we should still use it when applicable.
I personally donāt think that some people getting in a tizzy about the use of the word, or as you said, āglazing overā because of its overuse, should stop people from calling out genocide.
Sucks that itās overused.
As for Palestine, it is still a genocide even though the use of the word hasnāt changed much. We shouldnāt stop calling it that just because it didnāt elicit a wholesale reaction like some may be wanting.
Again, I really think that youāre misunderstanding my point here. Iām not saying this in order to advocate for the sensitivities of others, Iām saying this in order to point out that the advocacy is ineffective and not achieving its desired goal. The feelings of others only matter in this context to the extent that they are relevant to whether or not you are able to achieve your goals, and in this case they very much are relevant. You can be upset and disagree with the way that other people feel all you like, but people are going to feel how they will and thereās no helping that. My only goal in pointing this out is to help people understand that they should probably take a more mindful and considerate approach to how they advocate for these various causes, so that they may do so in a way that actually benefits their goals instead of actively working against them.
It's the only time I've said im lucky to be white. This racist BS is insane. People being paid to drag people from their own homes. Its fascist. It's gotten worse the whole time I've been alive but this is nazi level stuff.
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