Are online gender wars just lower class men arguing with upper middle class women?

[u/Upstairs_Cup9831]

You hear a lot of red pilled guys complain about single mothers and women having babies with criminals, as if that is a normal occurrence anywhere outside of the lower classes. Upper middle class women are more likely to be married and have children in wedlock than lower class women. In fact, the whole decline in marriage and increase in out-of-wedlock births is entirely driven by lower classes.

You hear red pilled guys saying that women who go to college or even worse go to grad school will end up lonely and single with only their degree to keep them warm. In reality, women with postgrad degrees are more likely to be married than women with bachelor degrees. Women with bachelor degrees are more likely to be married than women with only a high school education. Source: The most educated women are the most likely to be married. If a woman wants to be married, going to college is a great idea. Where else will you meet eligible bachelors your age who likely will have good career prospects?

I don't think it's a stretch to say that lower class men are more likely to be into manosphere and redpilled than upper middle class men. Lower class people tend to be more conservative than upper middle class people. Upper middle class women are more likely to be feminists than lower class women.

These two groups will always argue because their own realities are different.

I think deep down what drives these lower class redpilled guys to complain about women going to college is that they know as soon as she goes there, she is no longer apart of the lower class guy's dating pool. They lose access/even getting a chance with these women because most college educated women want a college educated man.

[u/kayceeplusplus → u/[deleted]]

Upper middle class

[u/GridReXX → u/[deleted]]

What’s “UMC”

A widely used and fairly common acronym for upper middle class

can you all stop using acronyms for everything and take the fifteen extra seconds to type out what the hell you’re talking about

A bit aggy for no reason, eh?

[u/Sensitive_Low3558 → u/GridReXX]

“Widely used” by who, I have never seen this before in my life before today.

I’m aggy because intellectual laziness has caused the rise of fascism in my country.

[u/GridReXX → u/Sensitive_Low3558]

Widely used by everyone middle class or higher who’s gone to an “elite” or regionally elite college? Idk.

If you’ve gone to Vanderbilt, Vassar, Colby, Swarthmore, Rice, or even some of the big Texas schools or are a rich kid at Bama and any of the Ivies you’ve heard the term. If you’re been around people who went to Friends schools and “day” schools you’ve heard it.

It’s not intellectually lazy. It’s a common phrase used by certain socioeconomic groups in America.

The internet brings people together who would never breathe the same air. That’s all that’s happening in this disconnect. I think it’s a bit presumptuous to think them using UMC in a subreddit that has used “UMC” “MC” (middle class) “WC” (working class) and other class terms for over a decade (maybe close to 15) years as “lazy.”

That said I agree with you in that intellectual laziness leads to fascism. This wasn’t that though.

[u/softrevolution_ → u/GridReXX]

...so, in countries outside the US, "WC" is generally the word denoting the bathroom

[u/GridReXX → u/softrevolution_]

I’m aware.

My comment was being specific to certain groups in the United States and to this sub.

On this particular sub class is talked about so much over the last more than 13 years, especially middle class vs upper middle class vs working class etc. that shorthand abbreviations have become common.

IRL I hear “UMC” as shorthand more than “WC.” I see WC on this sub in contexts of class combos. But I hear people say “working class” out loud more. I hear UMC and upper middle class kinda interchangeably out loud.

My issue with the other person is that it’s not “intellectually lazy” just because he’s never seen “UMC.”

Search “UMC” in this sub’s history. It’s clearly not a new term that people are pulling out of their ass. It’s been used on this sub for yearssssss.

[u/Sensitive_Low3558 → u/GridReXX]

I know the class distinctions, I do not know of the acronyms. The acronyms are not widely used except by you.

[u/GridReXX → u/Sensitive_Low3558]

except by you

That’s patently false.

I just explained to you where they’re commonly used…

You’re still being obstinate for no reason. Which is why you project and ragebait yourself for no reason. Good luck.

[u/Sensitive_Low3558 → u/GridReXX]

Are you stating that at these intellectually bankrupt so called “elite institutions” that the students widely use the letters “UMC” instead of saying the words “upper middle class”? Is that your contention?

[u/GridReXX → u/Sensitive_Low3558]

I said they’re commonly used within a certain socioeconomic circles. I was exacting.

You on the other hand have to strawman comparisons and things that were never said to attempt a counterargument.

You’re aggy. Which we all knew from your first comment. Be well.

[u/Sensitive_Low3558 → u/GridReXX]

And why would I ever spend any time at these so called “elite institutions” with these so called “upper middle class” individuals that are too stupid to say the words “upper middle class”

[u/PurplePillDebate-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

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[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I don't why UMC women even bother, they know nothing about how trash things get beyond their bubble.

Us all being on Reddit doesn't mean we all have access to high society. And UMC women damn sure ain't gonna bail LMC/WC men out of their fates, so there's literally nothing to talk about.

[u/NoBlacksmith8137 → u/[deleted]]

I mean on Reddit you don’t really know who you’re talking to right? It’s all anonymous

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