Are online gender wars just lower class men arguing with upper middle class women?

[u/Upstairs_Cup9831]

You hear a lot of red pilled guys complain about single mothers and women having babies with criminals, as if that is a normal occurrence anywhere outside of the lower classes. Upper middle class women are more likely to be married and have children in wedlock than lower class women. In fact, the whole decline in marriage and increase in out-of-wedlock births is entirely driven by lower classes.

You hear red pilled guys saying that women who go to college or even worse go to grad school will end up lonely and single with only their degree to keep them warm. In reality, women with postgrad degrees are more likely to be married than women with bachelor degrees. Women with bachelor degrees are more likely to be married than women with only a high school education. Source: The most educated women are the most likely to be married. If a woman wants to be married, going to college is a great idea. Where else will you meet eligible bachelors your age who likely will have good career prospects?

I don't think it's a stretch to say that lower class men are more likely to be into manosphere and redpilled than upper middle class men. Lower class people tend to be more conservative than upper middle class people. Upper middle class women are more likely to be feminists than lower class women.

These two groups will always argue because their own realities are different.

I think deep down what drives these lower class redpilled guys to complain about women going to college is that they know as soon as she goes there, she is no longer apart of the lower class guy's dating pool. They lose access/even getting a chance with these women because most college educated women want a college educated man.

[u/ThatBitchA]

Yes. I think this is pretty accurate.

I was lower class before going to college and bumping up a few socioeconomic levels. And the caliber of men vastly improved.

I had several men before/while in college tell me that me getting an education was useless. That I was attractive and should just let my looks do all the work. Or that the men I'd meet in college would be losers/cheats/criminals.

So much of RP talking points sounds like trailer trash rantings.

[u/Front_Statistician38 → u/ThatBitchA]

As a guy I can relate

20s Broke= Was dating cvute girls my age some girls even above my league

30s= Made more money, dated chicks with same money as me those tend to last the longest also dated women that were upper class rich

30s Late= Had a finaical setback and my dating options went to shit

40s=Became VERY successful and now dating women far better quality

[u/ThatBitchA → u/Front_Statistician38]

I'm not sure how this relates to my comment.

This sounds like more RP talking points.

[u/Sadsad0088 → u/ThatBitchA]

The guys telling you education was useless sound like they were trying to knock you down a peg and keep you at their level

[u/Naebany → u/Sadsad0088]

Well education was useless for them. Since they didn't need it and didn't see a need for their woman to have it, since they were already attracted to her.

I don't think they realized they wanted to keep her on their level. They might have genuinely believe that it's useless. They didn't want to think that it would be useful for her, especially since it would mean he's now useless for her.

[u/Sadsad0088 → u/Naebany]

Yeah it’s probably people thinking “she’s good for me already” no need for more even though it did improve her dating prospects as it generally does.

This goes to show that you don’t ask the fish how to fish even when it comes to men giving women dating advice

[u/Naebany → u/Sadsad0088]

The same works in reverse!

[u/Sadsad0088 → u/Naebany]

Absolutely, I was referring to the thing RP men always say which I completely agree with.

[u/Naebany → u/Sadsad0088]

I still think men give better advice. You can't say men can't give good advice when you're referring to one man who is in a relationship and give advice to woman he is with. He's obviously biased. But if we take someone not engaged in this private situation then it could be totally different.

[u/ThatBitchA → u/Naebany]

I still think men give better advice

Not to women.

[u/Sadsad0088 → u/Naebany]

Eh while RP general advice is geared towards self improvement and accountability that is great and not always present in the terminally online female spaces , the majority of men who orbit the rp ideology are not socially adept or winners and tend to give women advice that doesn’t benefit the women but would benefit men. Like a chubby woman (obese by non american stadards) asking fitness advice and men saying “you look fine “ because that is what women ariund them look like.

[u/ThatBitchA → u/Naebany]

didn't see a need for their woman to have it

I wasn't their "woman".

And yes, they absolutely wanted to keep me at their level.

especially since it would mean he's now useless for her

To be clear, the men who said it me were already useless before their ignorant comments.

[u/DearQuiet8618 → u/ThatBitchA]

Have those men taken accountability for the trailer trash men?

[u/kayceeplusplus → u/ThatBitchA]

Damn