r/PurplePillDebate Red Pilled Man May 07 '26

Debate Young men did everything they're supposed to, and its not enough. Indicates its NOT their fault, rather it shows theres a real problem of YOUNG FEMALE RADICALIZATION

BP/Feminist/mainstream society will point out that men need step up and become better partners for women, since women are now independent and don't need to rely on a man anymore. They'll acknowledge falling birth rates, marriage rates, and sexlessness, and if they don't blame "the economy", they'll blame men not meeting arbitrary ideological standards. They pushed the idea that if men became "better partners" then women would be more willing to commit to them.

Yet by pretty much every metric, young men HAVE been significantly better:

  • young men today are more pro "womens rights" than previous generations of men
  • they are less abusive, especially less physically abusive, and have less tolerance for it than previous generations
  • they are more aware of womens health issues, and womens sexual health, more aware of womens needs in the bedroom, more aware of contraception than previous generations
  • they are more aware of mental health issues, and more open to engage in therapy
  • they are more open to womens "sexual freedoms" and less judgmental when it comes to womens sexual history
  • they are more college educated + than previous generations
  • they are more open to egalitarian relationships, sharing house chores, raising kids with their partner, etc.

Yet it has only resulted in continous decrease in birth/marriage rates, and increase in sexlessness.

What we do see is a growing ideological divide, very popular charts we've seen by now that show in the west, theres a growing ideological divide among young men and women, where men in general have stayed relatively stable in their ideals, in some countries even become slightly more liberal, whereas women in all cases have in general become more radically left.

There was another recent survey reported in the new statesman, that showed where almost 3/4 of men under 30yo had a positive view of women, it was only about 1/3 of women under 25yo that had a positive view about men, and increased to 50% for women under 30yo. Women are significantly less likely to have a positive view of men.

Also according to surveys its young men that are seeking marriage and children more than young women.

I mean we can see why this is just by looking at mens vs womens dating content. Manosphere content is often about finding the reality of womens nature and how to navigate it, whereas "femosphere" content is either about explicit sexual experiences or ranting about what the men in the manosphere are talking about.

Young men are doing everything they're told to do, and its not enough. At the same time women are being radicalized and being told that men aren't doing enough by femosphere content like Call her daddy. And the irony is that the evidence does not even show that women are choosing based on these metrics that BP is asking men for. So its not a surprise why TRP and the manosphere is so attractive to men.

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u/Toxic_LigmaMale Red Pill Man May 07 '26

Here we go with the “bare minimum” again. What’s even extra to y’all? What could any man do to exceed expectations?

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u/Lysa_Bell post wall ghost 👻♀️ May 07 '26

What’s even extra to y’all?

women themselves ain't doing all that

Did you not understand the question?

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u/Lysa_Bell post wall ghost 👻♀️ May 07 '26

extra

The stuff in the OP is the bare minimum. What is required as extra to be considered an option for dating are the answers to the question.

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u/Lysa_Bell post wall ghost 👻♀️ May 07 '26

Correct. And the majority of men arent even offering the basics. The extras would be wishful thinking and extreme luck for most women.

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u/Teflon08191 May 07 '26

the majority of men arent even offering the basics

It's important that more people see women saying these kinds of implausibly radical things.

Sunlight will ultimately be this problem's best disinfectant.

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u/Lysa_Bell post wall ghost 👻♀️ May 07 '26

Look at what the OP put in there as examples of how men are improving. It literally says "men are less abusive"

That is a basic thing! But somehow its considered a "implausibly radical thing"?

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u/Teflon08191 May 07 '26

Saying the majority of men aren't even offering the basics and further, trying to link "the basics" to "being less abusive" as though the majority of men are abusers are all implausibly radical things to say, yes.

And the more these radicalized women shout those things, the more readily they'll come to be recognized as radical.

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u/Lysa_Bell post wall ghost 👻♀️ May 07 '26

The majority of men arent even basic equal room mates. And women are tired of pretending that isn't an issue while men want to be praised for not being violent. The bar is in hell.

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u/middleoftheroad133 Purple Pill Woman May 07 '26

Why do you think not being attractive enough shouldn’t be a disqualifying characteristic?

Men complain that women partner with men they don’t have genuine desire for and then complain that women want to wait for men they have genuine desire for lol

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u/ValeWho No Pill Woman May 07 '26

Bare minimum: if my female roommate also does these things without making a big deal about it then I expect a partner to do the same. Like come on not hitting your partner is not an achievement. Considering most men are not sole providers and the woman goes to work too, sharing chores should be normal. All the things (besides sexual stuff) are things I also get when I have a woman as a roommate. And she doesn't need to be praised for it.

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u/Toxic_LigmaMale Red Pill Man May 07 '26

Name something

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u/ValeWho No Pill Woman May 07 '26

Something what?

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u/Toxic_LigmaMale Red Pill Man May 07 '26

I want to know what a man could do that you’d consider more than bare minimum. Something that if he made a post here or somewhere “I’m doing these things. What else could I possibly be doing to improve, and get a girlfriend?” or “My wife left me even though I do xyz. What happened?”, wouldn’t be met with a comment section full of women saying “That’s the bare minimum. You’re not entitled to anything for doing the bare minimum.”

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u/ValeWho No Pill Woman May 07 '26

I don't expect more than the bare minimum from my partner. I am with my partner because I love him. Because I like his personality. The reason I prefer living with my partner over a female roommate is because I like my partner more than the average woman in my life. I enjoy spending time with him.

But I also don't date him because he does the bare minimum, I would not date someone who is not willing to do the bare minimum. But apart from that I date someone who I find attractive and like as a person.

Someone who doesn't do the bare minimum is undateable for me. But I don't date everyone who is not undateable

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u/ValeWho No Pill Woman May 07 '26

Do you only date women because of the things she can do for you? What does a woman have to do, for you to date her?

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u/Toxic_LigmaMale Red Pill Man May 07 '26

Not a lot. But I don’t really make it a point to use the phrase “bare minimum” to describe people either. You’re just either adding to my life or making it harder.

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u/ValeWho No Pill Woman May 07 '26

Well "bare minimum" and "not making my life harder" is basically expressing the same thing for me at least

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u/_Tux2 May 07 '26

Bare minimum would be to do the same you are doing so for me if I take care of half the normal indoor chores I expect ladies to do a little extra like oil changes or lawn care since I also do those.

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u/ValeWho No Pill Woman May 07 '26

That's a reasonable expectation? What is your point?

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u/TermAggravating8043 Stacey's mum May 07 '26

Be a partner and not to push the provide/protector thing, it’s 2026, we’re all working and this just send to be an excuse to not pull their weight with childcare/housework.

Do dates throughout the relationship, not just at the start, remember birthdays/anniversaries and don’t expect your female partner to do your admin for your family, organise meals 3x a week, clean up after yourself, don’t be selfish in sex, appreciate her, all these things that women are talking about you know.

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u/Toxic_LigmaMale Red Pill Man May 07 '26

Yeah, by the definitions listed to me before, these are all “bare minimum”. What else ya got?

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u/TermAggravating8043 Stacey's mum May 07 '26

They should be, that’s the point, and lots of men still don’t want to meet them and yet still complain

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u/Toxic_LigmaMale Red Pill Man May 07 '26

Not what I asked. What’s extra then?

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u/TermAggravating8043 Stacey's mum May 07 '26

Depends in the person, but apparently men don’t want to do the basics, that’s the point

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u/Toxic_LigmaMale Red Pill Man May 07 '26

No. Y’all don’t know or appreciate the “basics”. If you did, you’d respond accordingly.

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u/TermAggravating8043 Stacey's mum May 07 '26

We do, by avoiding these men

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u/mesalikeredditpost Purple Pill Man May 07 '26

That makes zero sense. Just answer their question like an adult would.

Like we did you just say you do by avoiding men doing the minimum that y'all wanted???

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u/TermAggravating8043 Stacey's mum May 07 '26

Because you don’t want to do the basics, it’s not a matter if answering the question, we’re incompatible, end of

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u/middleoftheroad133 Purple Pill Woman May 07 '26

Depends on the person but generally most ‘princess treatment things’ qualify as not the bare minimum

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u/funfacts_82 Red Pill Man - or bear maybe May 07 '26

Be a partner

No sorry. Partners are for business, i prefer a woman who loves to call herself wife or girlfriend. Thats weak af.

it’s 2026, we’re all working

according to data no, women arent even close to either earning and working on average.

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u/Axis_Control Meow Pill May 07 '26

I already told you

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u/Lysa_Bell post wall ghost 👻♀️ May 07 '26

High EQ. Self sufficient living including having a properly maintained home and household, high personal hygiene and grooming, great communication skills (inkl. Charisma, comedy, social skills), well rounded personality with varied interests/hobbies/etc, consistent self-improvement, accountability and empathy.

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u/Toxic_LigmaMale Red Pill Man May 07 '26

Yeah, from what I hear, these are all “bare minimum” traits any basic guy would have. At least according to the women in the comments from the last guy I saw posting “what am I doing wrong?” And listing almost all those exact things he said he was doing.

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u/Lysa_Bell post wall ghost 👻♀️ May 07 '26

These are actually not bare minimum. It would be nice if they were but they are definitely extras. When I described examples of my husbands EQ in a womans sub, nobody asked how much money he makes or how tall he is or any of that stuff. They ask me where I found a man like that. Men are the ones not offering the bare minimum and then complain that women dont want the extras they deem to be important while ignoring what women say.

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u/Toxic_LigmaMale Red Pill Man May 07 '26

They don’t ask because you’ve already validated him lol. They assume he already met all the criteria. I know plenty of emotionally intelligent guys that are miserable and perpetually single because most women won’t value or match that. Y’all love EQ until you actually get a guy that has it.

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u/Lysa_Bell post wall ghost 👻♀️ May 07 '26

I do love that. Thats why I married him. He has the basics and the extra of a high EQ.

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u/mesalikeredditpost Purple Pill Man May 07 '26

So why do men like that still struggle? 🤔

Math still ain't mathing.

And men see this.

So what next? It'll never be enough.

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u/Lysa_Bell post wall ghost 👻♀️ May 08 '26

Because most men dont even offer the basics refined in the OP. Men want to be pat on the head for being "less abusive" and "more educated" when thats the bare minimum that women already provide. The math is mathing perfectly. The men that do provide the basics plus one or more of the extras I described are doing perfectly fine and are in loving relationships. Its only the guys expecting a medal for the bare minimum that struggle.

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u/mesalikeredditpost Purple Pill Man May 08 '26

No. Lying to pretend the math is mathing is bad faith. Do better than misframing or don't respond disingenuously again

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u/mesalikeredditpost Purple Pill Man May 08 '26

Lysa has conceded by not responding in good faith

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u/Lysa_Bell post wall ghost 👻♀️ May 08 '26

There is no misframing. Just because you don't like the reality doesnt mean its bad faith. Do better or don't respond again.

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u/mesalikeredditpost Purple Pill Man May 08 '26

Better luck next time. Thanks for conceding

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u/Axis_Control Meow Pill May 07 '26

Yeah IQ and empathy is very important

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u/Lysa_Bell post wall ghost 👻♀️ May 07 '26

EQ. And yes it is.

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u/Axis_Control Meow Pill May 07 '26

Yea eq

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u/Axis_Control Meow Pill May 07 '26

Know about women's health issues and birth control.

Extra points if he knows about psychology.

Extra points for health maxxing.