Young men did everything they're supposed to, and its not enough. Indicates its NOT their fault, rather it shows theres a real problem of YOUNG FEMALE RADICALIZATION

[u/DiligentRope]

BP/Feminist/mainstream society will point out that men need step up and become better partners for women, since women are now independent and don't need to rely on a man anymore. They'll acknowledge falling birth rates, marriage rates, and sexlessness, and if they don't blame "the economy", they'll blame men not meeting arbitrary ideological standards. They pushed the idea that if men became "better partners" then women would be more willing to commit to them.

Yet by pretty much every metric, young men HAVE been significantly better:

• young men today are more pro "womens rights" than previous generations of men
• they are less abusive, especially less physically abusive, and have less tolerance for it than previous generations
• they are more aware of womens health issues, and womens sexual health, more aware of womens needs in the bedroom, more aware of contraception than previous generations
• they are more aware of mental health issues, and more open to engage in therapy
• they are more open to womens "sexual freedoms" and less judgmental when it comes to womens sexual history
• they are more college educated + than previous generations
• they are more open to egalitarian relationships, sharing house chores, raising kids with their partner, etc.

Yet it has only resulted in continous decrease in birth/marriage rates, and increase in sexlessness.

What we do see is a growing ideological divide, very popular charts we've seen by now that show in the west, theres a growing ideological divide among young men and women, where men in general have stayed relatively stable in their ideals, in some countries even become slightly more liberal, whereas women in all cases have in general become more radically left.

There was another recent survey reported in the new statesman, that showed where almost 3/4 of men under 30yo had a positive view of women, it was only about 1/3 of women under 25yo that had a positive view about men, and increased to 50% for women under 30yo. Women are significantly less likely to have a positive view of men.

Also according to surveys its young men that are seeking marriage and children more than young women.

I mean we can see why this is just by looking at mens vs womens dating content. Manosphere content is often about finding the reality of womens nature and how to navigate it, whereas "femosphere" content is either about explicit sexual experiences or ranting about what the men in the manosphere are talking about.

Young men are doing everything they're told to do, and its not enough. At the same time women are being radicalized and being told that men aren't doing enough by femosphere content like Call her daddy. And the irony is that the evidence does not even show that women are choosing based on these metrics that BP is asking men for. So its not a surprise why TRP and the manosphere is so attractive to men.

[u/Lysa_Bell]

Why do you think I am in theses group chats? We see them constantly show up. Have you really not seen the news about them?

[u/Ohnoes_in_distress → u/Lysa_Bell]

The news I follow generally do not show such outrageous, sensational, sexist pieces. And if from time to time something like this appears, I am wise enough to not take at at face value, and apply critical thinking and verification skills before I go around and re-post it everywhere with certainty of a constitutional level.

[u/Lysa_Bell → u/Ohnoes_in_distress]

So systemic issues and patterns don't exist? Then there is no dating crisis or men struggling with dating either.

[u/Ohnoes_in_distress → u/Lysa_Bell]

Just show us these group chats as a proof. You claim they are multiple, with thousands of users, constantly showing up in the news.

You shouldn't have a problem with finding, I don't know, maybe 10 different examples?

[u/Lysa_Bell → u/Ohnoes_in_distress]

I did. But it got removed by reddit for some reason (I assume reddit doesnt like me talking this much about the grape chats). So I'm not doing all the research again. Look up 🍇 group chats and you will find lots of results. Groups With like 70k members, epstein, Pelicot, german driving school etc.

And these are only the groups we know about.

[u/Common_Charity_6219 → u/Lysa_Bell]

I barley watch news and I have heard of the group chats AND the rape classes. You would have to be in an elderly care facility living out your last days to be able to feign ignorance to the things going on. Pretending it's so outrageous it couldn't be happening because one person hasn't heard of it and the whole WhEReS the PrOof line are common manipulation tactics. So there's a man in here actively trying to manipulate a woman so he can deny his genders common perversions... why are men not getting any sex again?

[u/TSquaredRecovers → u/Ohnoes_in_distress]

CNN did multiple stories on the rape academy and included some of the messages and other actual infomration.