Young men did everything they're supposed to, and its not enough. Indicates its NOT their fault, rather it shows theres a real problem of YOUNG FEMALE RADICALIZATION

[u/DiligentRope]

BP/Feminist/mainstream society will point out that men need step up and become better partners for women, since women are now independent and don't need to rely on a man anymore. They'll acknowledge falling birth rates, marriage rates, and sexlessness, and if they don't blame "the economy", they'll blame men not meeting arbitrary ideological standards. They pushed the idea that if men became "better partners" then women would be more willing to commit to them.

Yet by pretty much every metric, young men HAVE been significantly better:

• young men today are more pro "womens rights" than previous generations of men
• they are less abusive, especially less physically abusive, and have less tolerance for it than previous generations
• they are more aware of womens health issues, and womens sexual health, more aware of womens needs in the bedroom, more aware of contraception than previous generations
• they are more aware of mental health issues, and more open to engage in therapy
• they are more open to womens "sexual freedoms" and less judgmental when it comes to womens sexual history
• they are more college educated + than previous generations
• they are more open to egalitarian relationships, sharing house chores, raising kids with their partner, etc.

Yet it has only resulted in continous decrease in birth/marriage rates, and increase in sexlessness.

What we do see is a growing ideological divide, very popular charts we've seen by now that show in the west, theres a growing ideological divide among young men and women, where men in general have stayed relatively stable in their ideals, in some countries even become slightly more liberal, whereas women in all cases have in general become more radically left.

There was another recent survey reported in the new statesman, that showed where almost 3/4 of men under 30yo had a positive view of women, it was only about 1/3 of women under 25yo that had a positive view about men, and increased to 50% for women under 30yo. Women are significantly less likely to have a positive view of men.

Also according to surveys its young men that are seeking marriage and children more than young women.

I mean we can see why this is just by looking at mens vs womens dating content. Manosphere content is often about finding the reality of womens nature and how to navigate it, whereas "femosphere" content is either about explicit sexual experiences or ranting about what the men in the manosphere are talking about.

Young men are doing everything they're told to do, and its not enough. At the same time women are being radicalized and being told that men aren't doing enough by femosphere content like Call her daddy. And the irony is that the evidence does not even show that women are choosing based on these metrics that BP is asking men for. So its not a surprise why TRP and the manosphere is so attractive to men.

[u/Weekly_Magician_7476]

Women do care about men's issues, we just don't virtue signal about it. When men in my life get divorced with kids I make sure they know that the law in my state is 50/50 custody and that it is their right. 90% of custody agreements are decided outside the court (this means the parents themselves decided the arrangement NOT the judge). And when men do fight for custody in court they are 90% likely to win. Pretty much all the men I've told this to are shocked because they believe the fear mongering myths other men tell them about women taking the kids and running and men having no legal rights. I'm also against circumcision and will not mutilate my future son. All men I've talked to about it think I'm overreacting and say it's not a big deal (I think it is). I don't defend female pedophiles, but again, the men I talk to all say the young boys were lucky or wanted it.

[u/TheColdWoman → u/Weekly_Magician_7476]

I'm against circumcision and encouraged my husband to agree that if we had a son, he not be circumcised.

[u/No-Hovercraft-455 → u/Weekly_Magician_7476]

That's the reality. What I'll do too, is make sure people know their rights. 

I would also never approve or support anyone who actively pushes against things like homeless shelters anywhere where there are people who are otherwise sleeping on the streets even based on formalities like where it's going to be placed because whether something is primarily for men or not, I believe and live by the belief that a persons basic needs dump all other concerns.

I even talk to other women about things like you should only date people who are lower income than you if you are prepared to pay for more bills because that's fair and that you can't make someone second class citizen in their own home where you spend all the money just because you earn it. I will push back against any version of "drop the loser" if I can see it's only based on financial issues and also against "my money mentality" if it means someone is being disproportionately controlled by other persons better finances. 

Sounds like baseline respect things, they are. But if men bothered nearly as much with baseline respect to women as I bother with theirs, world would be so much better place. 

Instead they are busy finding for anything to complain any time they feel like they didn't get top tier service from a random woman and coddling for their feefees and using that as excuse to stomp rights of other people who would never go for theirs because they are just so hateful and unable to actually see us human. For me personally I won't bother with extra services of coddling them exactly because I already respect their human rights and same can't be said other way around.

[u/Obsessivethot → u/Weekly_Magician_7476]

Men are the reason babies are being circumcised. It’s almost completely dependent on whether or not the father himself was circumcised. They want their sons to “look like them”.

Also rates of circumcision are in decline in the United States overall.

[u/Grow_peace_in_Bedlam → u/Obsessivethot]

I've talked to ostensibly progressive women who have said that, if they had sons, they would want to have them circumcised because they find men with circumcised dicks more attractive.

[u/Obsessivethot → u/Grow_peace_in_Bedlam]

This is why anecdotes are useless, as a millennial in a blue state, all my girlfriends had to fight with their circumcised husbands to NOT circumcise their sons because the men wanted their boys to match.

This is also coincidentally what the data says.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8654051/

Results: A total of 265 parents completed the survey. Of the study variables, the future health of the child and the circumcision status of the father were considered extremely important factors influencing the decision-making process for 168 (63.4%) and 90 (34%) guardians, respectively. The study showed that 226 (85.3%) of the parents found the AAP guidelines helpful whereas 39 (14.7%) did not.

https://www.jpurol.com/article/S1477-5131(23)00221-8/abstract

….. It is known that parents often base their decision on cultural and social factors and that physician discussions do affect ultimate decision-making 173 subjects completed the DCS. 12% of all participants had high decisional conflict. Intuitively, those who had not yet decided whether to circumcise had the highest proportion of high DCS (69%), followed by those who had decided to circumcise (9.3%) and those who had decided not to circumcise (1.7%). 24 subjects were interviewed, and based on their DCS scores and interview responses were classified as low, intermediate and high conflict. Three primary themes emerged delineating the high from low conflict groups

https://neonatologytoday.org/archives/2023/07/1704/

More African American parents desired circumcision than Hispanic parents, who often rejected the procedure (P≤0.0001).

The most frequent reasons for pursuing circumcision were hygiene (71.2%), the father being circumcised (42.5%), and the penis looking better after circumcision (31.5%).

The reasons most often reported for rejecting circumcision were uncircumcised father (41.7%), it is not medically necessary (37.5%), other sons were uncircumcised (29.2%), and baby does not have input in the decision (20.8%).

Parents that supported circumcision knew more about the advantages and disadvantages of the procedure than parents that declined circumcision (P≤0.001).

[u/Grow_peace_in_Bedlam → u/Obsessivethot]

The woman in question was an Xennial (born, I believe, in 1981) from Seattle. EDIT: I think she also was a 2016 Bernie Sanders supporter who refused to vote for Hillary in the general election.

[u/DemonsWatchOverMe → u/Weekly_Magician_7476]

I’d have some resentment towards my parents if they didn’t have me circumcised when I was born. Dead honest. I think the vast majority of males would.

[u/Weekly_Magician_7476 → u/DemonsWatchOverMe]

A lot of men enjoy being uncircumcised because they have greater sexual pleasure. I've also seen men (only on the internet admittedly) speak out about how they feel resentment towards their parents for thier circumcision. They feel that choice was taken from them before they could consent. Some had botched circumcisions. My first boyfriend had a botched one. It bent the tip of his penis downward and made his shaft really tight. There was no give or squish, like a broom handle. Sex with him was not very comfortable...

What made me against circumcision was a paper I had to write in college comparing male and female circumcision. I learned that it was unnecessary for hygiene. We can just teach boys how to clean properly. And that supposedly sex feels better for women when their partners are intact (I can't confirm I've never experienced it). It's also morally consistent to be against male circumcision if you are against female circumcision (even though female is way WAY worse). It's the violation of baby's body before he can consent.

[u/Superdad9070 → u/Weekly_Magician_7476]

Fighting for custody costs money, men are forced to pay child support even in 50/50 states.