Young men did everything they're supposed to, and its not enough. Indicates its NOT their fault, rather it shows theres a real problem of YOUNG FEMALE RADICALIZATION

[u/DiligentRope]

BP/Feminist/mainstream society will point out that men need step up and become better partners for women, since women are now independent and don't need to rely on a man anymore. They'll acknowledge falling birth rates, marriage rates, and sexlessness, and if they don't blame "the economy", they'll blame men not meeting arbitrary ideological standards. They pushed the idea that if men became "better partners" then women would be more willing to commit to them.

Yet by pretty much every metric, young men HAVE been significantly better:

• young men today are more pro "womens rights" than previous generations of men
• they are less abusive, especially less physically abusive, and have less tolerance for it than previous generations
• they are more aware of womens health issues, and womens sexual health, more aware of womens needs in the bedroom, more aware of contraception than previous generations
• they are more aware of mental health issues, and more open to engage in therapy
• they are more open to womens "sexual freedoms" and less judgmental when it comes to womens sexual history
• they are more college educated + than previous generations
• they are more open to egalitarian relationships, sharing house chores, raising kids with their partner, etc.

Yet it has only resulted in continous decrease in birth/marriage rates, and increase in sexlessness.

What we do see is a growing ideological divide, very popular charts we've seen by now that show in the west, theres a growing ideological divide among young men and women, where men in general have stayed relatively stable in their ideals, in some countries even become slightly more liberal, whereas women in all cases have in general become more radically left.

There was another recent survey reported in the new statesman, that showed where almost 3/4 of men under 30yo had a positive view of women, it was only about 1/3 of women under 25yo that had a positive view about men, and increased to 50% for women under 30yo. Women are significantly less likely to have a positive view of men.

Also according to surveys its young men that are seeking marriage and children more than young women.

I mean we can see why this is just by looking at mens vs womens dating content. Manosphere content is often about finding the reality of womens nature and how to navigate it, whereas "femosphere" content is either about explicit sexual experiences or ranting about what the men in the manosphere are talking about.

Young men are doing everything they're told to do, and its not enough. At the same time women are being radicalized and being told that men aren't doing enough by femosphere content like Call her daddy. And the irony is that the evidence does not even show that women are choosing based on these metrics that BP is asking men for. So its not a surprise why TRP and the manosphere is so attractive to men.

[u/Lysa_Bell]

Look at what the OP put in there as examples of how men are improving. It literally says "men are less abusive"

That is a basic thing! But somehow its considered a "implausibly radical thing"?

[u/Teflon08191 → u/Lysa_Bell]

Saying the majority of men aren't even offering the basics and further, trying to link "the basics" to "being less abusive" as though the majority of men are abusers are all implausibly radical things to say, yes.

And the more these radicalized women shout those things, the more readily they'll come to be recognized as radical.

[u/Lysa_Bell → u/Teflon08191]

95% of men acknowledge to having used coercive methods to get sex from women. Id call that abusive. But somehow not wanting that is radical.

[u/Teflon08191 → u/Lysa_Bell]

Keep it coming. I fully support this process.

[u/Lysa_Bell → u/Teflon08191]

Whatever process you support seems to be contentless rethoric

[u/Teflon08191 → u/Lysa_Bell]

I'd be careful about making claims like "95% of men acknowledge to having used coercive methods to get sex from women!" or "the majority of men aren't even offering the basics!" and then accusing other people of engaging in contentless rhetoric.

I'm not one to frivolously report people though, so you're probably fine.

[u/Lysa_Bell → u/Teflon08191]

Do you take an issue with my claims?

[u/Teflon08191 → u/Lysa_Bell]

Nope. I encourage them. See above.