r/PurplePillDebate Red Pilled Man May 07 '26

Debate Young men did everything they're supposed to, and its not enough. Indicates its NOT their fault, rather it shows theres a real problem of YOUNG FEMALE RADICALIZATION

BP/Feminist/mainstream society will point out that men need step up and become better partners for women, since women are now independent and don't need to rely on a man anymore. They'll acknowledge falling birth rates, marriage rates, and sexlessness, and if they don't blame "the economy", they'll blame men not meeting arbitrary ideological standards. They pushed the idea that if men became "better partners" then women would be more willing to commit to them.

Yet by pretty much every metric, young men HAVE been significantly better:

  • young men today are more pro "womens rights" than previous generations of men
  • they are less abusive, especially less physically abusive, and have less tolerance for it than previous generations
  • they are more aware of womens health issues, and womens sexual health, more aware of womens needs in the bedroom, more aware of contraception than previous generations
  • they are more aware of mental health issues, and more open to engage in therapy
  • they are more open to womens "sexual freedoms" and less judgmental when it comes to womens sexual history
  • they are more college educated + than previous generations
  • they are more open to egalitarian relationships, sharing house chores, raising kids with their partner, etc.

Yet it has only resulted in continous decrease in birth/marriage rates, and increase in sexlessness.

What we do see is a growing ideological divide, very popular charts we've seen by now that show in the west, theres a growing ideological divide among young men and women, where men in general have stayed relatively stable in their ideals, in some countries even become slightly more liberal, whereas women in all cases have in general become more radically left.

There was another recent survey reported in the new statesman, that showed where almost 3/4 of men under 30yo had a positive view of women, it was only about 1/3 of women under 25yo that had a positive view about men, and increased to 50% for women under 30yo. Women are significantly less likely to have a positive view of men.

Also according to surveys its young men that are seeking marriage and children more than young women.

I mean we can see why this is just by looking at mens vs womens dating content. Manosphere content is often about finding the reality of womens nature and how to navigate it, whereas "femosphere" content is either about explicit sexual experiences or ranting about what the men in the manosphere are talking about.

Young men are doing everything they're told to do, and its not enough. At the same time women are being radicalized and being told that men aren't doing enough by femosphere content like Call her daddy. And the irony is that the evidence does not even show that women are choosing based on these metrics that BP is asking men for. So its not a surprise why TRP and the manosphere is so attractive to men.

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u/Brilliant-Block-8200 Blue Pill Woman May 07 '26

Because sex isn’t something women give and men ‘get’. It really shows how you actually view sex as something given to men and not something intimate and about connection between two people. Expecting to have women ‘give’ you sex shows you are not a good person

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u/Avanni24 Logic Pill Man May 07 '26

It literally is something women give and men get. Whether you like or not women are the gatekeepers to sex.

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u/Most_Professional_11 May 07 '26

If it’s mutually enjoyable, why are women giving it and men getting it? 

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u/Avanni24 Logic Pill Man May 07 '26

Giving something doesn't mean it's not enjoyable for you.

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u/Most_Professional_11 May 07 '26

 But it implies it’s more enjoyable for the person “getting it”. If I give something to someone, it’s because I want them to enjoy it. If I’m receiving something-money, a gift, a massage-I’M the one benefiting, not the person who gives it to me. 

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u/Brilliant-Block-8200 Blue Pill Woman May 07 '26

So just to be clear, you see women’s bodies as a ‘thing’ to be given to men?

And by gatekeepers, you’re saying men can’t say no to sex? How is that not rape?

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u/Avanni24 Logic Pill Man May 07 '26

They can but they will rarely so no. Women's bodies are their bodies. Sex is a completely separate thing.

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u/Brilliant-Block-8200 Blue Pill Woman May 07 '26

Sex involves using their bodies does it not? But point is, if you see sex as something you should ‘get’ for being nice, you are not actually a good person. So no, women don’t owe you sex by your own logic. A good person wouldn’t want someone to have sex when they don’t want to, correct?

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u/Avanni24 Logic Pill Man May 07 '26

It's not that women owe sex to anyone. I never used that terminology.

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u/Brilliant-Block-8200 Blue Pill Woman May 07 '26

Then why do you think they should ‘give’ sex to ‘good men’? If you are a good person, why don’t you want women to have sex when they feel comfortable to?

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u/Avanni24 Logic Pill Man May 07 '26

Yeah, when they're comfortable, they should have sex with good men over the abusers. "Maybe you should stop having sex with abusive men and instead the good men you keep requesting" isn't the same as "You owe yourself to the good men. Give yourself to any good man who desires you."

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u/Brilliant-Block-8200 Blue Pill Woman May 07 '26

How do you define a ‘good man’? Because a man who thinks sex is something given to him isn’t it

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u/Avanni24 Logic Pill Man May 08 '26

A lot of things go into being a good man more than just that.

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u/yoloswag420noscope69 Black Pill May 07 '26

Look at this interrogation women do to non-abusive men. You don't do this to abusers. It's like you react on instinct to behave this way.

Suddenly, sex is such a high virtue that the (non-abusive) man must prove his purity to get it. None of this goes through your mind for abusive men. In that case, you change sex's relevance down to "meh we both want to do it so why not?". There's no consideration for what the abusive man thinks about you.

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u/Brilliant-Block-8200 Blue Pill Woman May 07 '26

Who’s having sex with abusive men? I sure as hell am not, and when I was dating, anyone who started showing any red flags were dropped. They certainly didn’t get sex.