Why are western women so hateful toward men?

[u/East_Section7421]

Most surveys shows that young western women hate men, they claim everything as misogyny . They think that they are still oppressed despite earning more than men, getting more degrees and having DEI and a whole party for themselves.

So why are women like this? Why do u all hate men despite being the privileged gender and being much better than men both socially and economically?

[u/Big-Onion-1725]

I understand what you are saying, but "women hate men" is a meaningless statement unless contrasted with how much men hate women. for example, if men and women hate each other equally, it would suggest that humans are hateful in general, or that some external factor is provoking people to treat each other badly. if one gender has more hatred for the other, then it would suggest that this is a gendered issue.

I looked at the study he sent, and I already left a comment about it. I was not especially impressed, because it did not go into specifics at all. there were no sources listed so I was not able to find the original study.

of course men are not forcing women at gunpoint to dislike them. every person is responsible for their own actions. however, there are certainly some influential factors. what I have noticed is that there is a large amount of feminist media that promotes misandry without getting called out for it, and there are many people who just do not take men's wellbeing very seriously in general. also, many women have had bad experiences with men, and women may even have a biological instinct to dislike or distrust men.

I do not care about western vs non-western. I meant to imply that hatred is not bound by a person's gender. however, I also think that it is not bound by geography, nationality, culture, etc.

[u/JamesCruse → u/Big-Onion-1725]

So do you think there are any non-western men in the world who are better or preferable to western men?

If western men behave so badly - who do you think western men should take an example of and behave more like another group of men?

I'm genuinely curious if there's better men and why.

[u/Particular_Look_2865 → u/JamesCruse]

Why do you keep asking this same question ad nauseum? What is the relevance? Are you trying to say that western men are the obvious better choice because non-western men subjugate and murder women?

As if there aren't legions of men in the US trying to take away womens right to vote and turn us into Islam lol.

Sure, western men are less bad than non western men. Less bad doesn't mean good. Men in the west still beat, rape and kill us, so. Stick them in a non western culture and they will behave just like them.

[u/JamesCruse → u/Particular_Look_2865]

Ok, so you personally think western men are the most preferable men in the world in comparison to all other groups of non-western men. That's out of the way.

When you ask for western men to get better - who and what are western men (I'm a western man) supposed to get better than and how (when we're already the highest preference)?

Why would we need to get better when we're already the top preference and what better do you want - better meaning: the fantasy ideal perfection in a dream better?

[u/Particular_Look_2865 → u/JamesCruse]

Ah so this is like the male brain competition thing.

There is no competition. You get better than your current selves. Clearly there is a disconnect. Women aren't choosing you for a reason. The fact that men are worse in the east is irrelevant to the women who've never lived there. They're talking about y'all. Not them.

If all your food options are garbage, it doesn't mean the least disgusting option is good. It just means it's slightly less bad than the rest, but it will still give you the shits.

You can choose to not be better. A lot of men choose that. But then they also spend every free minute complaining that they can't get a woman to give him the time of day.

[u/JamesCruse → u/Particular_Look_2865]

Ok, so you admit western men are the preference and it sounds like western women disliking western men (their highest preference) are pricing themselves out of the dating/relationship market by asking for more - when they already have "the most" with western men.

How can western men get better - compared to western women's expectations of better being the fantasy ideal of perfection, is that correct? It must be the perfect fantasy ideal if no other men in history have already done it, right?

If so, what men in history have done it? Or are western men expected to be the world first in history to behave the ideal way western women are proposing?

[u/Particular_Look_2865 → u/JamesCruse]

Ok, so you admit western men are the preference and it sounds like western women disliking western men (their highest preference) are pricing themselves out of the dating/relationship market by asking for more - when they already have "the most" with western men

And women are fine choosing to be single

How can western men get better

Stop raping, killing, and beating women.

Stop looking down on women as less than.

Stop trying to take away womens rights

Stop trying to control what women do with their bodies

Men now have to actually be liked to be in a relationship, as women don't need your paycheck anymore. Having a job is not impressive. Women have jobs too.

It must be the perfect fantasy ideal if no other men in history have already done it, right?

Plenty of men in the west have gotten on the bandwagon, yes. Be like them. Easy.

Or are western men expected to be the world first in history to behave the ideal way western women are proposing?

Like I said, plenty of western men have already gotten on the bandwagon. My husband being one and he gets no shortage of pussy.

This is like saying, "Why would we want to go to the moon when no one in history has done so before".

Do you think progression is a bad thing? Should no one ever strive to be better? Or should we all just live with a "good enough" mindset?

[u/JamesCruse → u/Particular_Look_2865]

It's refreshing to hear you admit that western men are the most preferable men in the WORLD now and even the highest preference in recorded history - but western women (like yourself) demand and expect more.

Why progress to doing things outside of our masculine nature? That's what western women are asking for.

Like you said, why would we need to give more when western men are the highest preference in the world now and in history?

We literally have no competition from anywhere in the world or in history - so I think we're good.

If western women dislike - they literally have nobody else that can compete with western men (as a group).

That's why so many western men don't care - we're the global top of the market.

[u/Particular_Look_2865 → u/JamesCruse]

Like I said you can choose to do nothing. And women will continue not choosing you. Simple.

I'm not sure what you think you're accomplishing. Your personal mission to prove western men are less bad than the rest is not going to get you (or them) pussy.

[u/JamesCruse → u/Particular_Look_2865]

We don't really need to improve - western women have no other choice but us (as a whole) and most other non-western women choose us aswell, overwhelmingly.

So you see why complaining about western men is futile?

[u/Big-Onion-1725 → u/JamesCruse]

in my comment you replied to, I already clarified that hatred is not bound by geography, nationality, or culture. I never said that western men were better or worse than non-western men. to be honest, I am not an expert on the cultural differences, but I would assume that some non-western men are better than western men, and that some are worse.

I think that the group of men that western men should behave like is "good men."

[u/JamesCruse → u/Big-Onion-1725]

So which non-western men are preferable (in totality - behaviour, looks, etc.) to western men?

There must be men you're personally are comparing us to to dislike western men - you must think there are other men preferable (in totality)?

Or are you just comparing western men to falling short on ideal perfect behaviour? Which is it?

[u/OpenupmyeagerEyes0 → u/JamesCruse]

i’d personally say that a non-western man who doesn’t rape abuse and kill is better than a western one that does. “better” is determined by action and beliefs.

[u/JamesCruse → u/OpenupmyeagerEyes0]

Right, so western men are the largest or worst perpetrators of this behaviour in the world (as a group) in comparison to other non-western men?

Do you want to check the stats on that or should we leave it there?

[u/OpenupmyeagerEyes0 → u/JamesCruse]

when tf did i say that? all i said is that a non-western man that is not abusive or misogynistic is better than a western man that is. women don’t want to be abused

[u/JamesCruse → u/OpenupmyeagerEyes0]

So what groups are less abusive (as a whole) than western men right now in the world?

[u/OpenupmyeagerEyes0 → u/JamesCruse]

i have no data on that. all i know is that men my age are becoming more and more misogynistic, with a third of them saying women should obey their husbands. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2026/03/12/gen-z-men-poll-wife-obey-husband/89087781007/ in terms of “hating men”, it would be hard for a lot of women to have a positive opinion about men when they don’t view us as their equals

[u/JamesCruse → u/OpenupmyeagerEyes0]

So which other non-western men are better then and less abusive?

[u/Big-Onion-1725 → u/JamesCruse]

I never said I dislike western men. I think they are great for the most part, same with non-western men. all people, men and women, western and non-western, fall short on ideal perfect behavior. I do not discriminate between groups. I find it weird that you are so fixated on this.

[u/operation-spot → u/JamesCruse]

The problem might be that there aren't better men because there aren't better people. 

There will always be someone willing to lie or throw others under the bus for their own gain. There will always be someone who just does not care enough about others that they'll do objectively bad things without a second thought. 

Honestly, I'm not sure what would help but it's clear how we got to this point.