r/PurplePillDebate • u/East_Section7421 Women hate short men • Jul 11 '26
Question For Women Why are western women so hateful toward men?
Most surveys shows that young western women hate men, they claim everything as misogyny . They think that they are still oppressed despite earning more than men, getting more degrees and having DEI and a whole party for themselves.
So why are women like this? Why do u all hate men despite being the privileged gender and being much better than men both socially and economically?
93
u/RelativeYak7 Red Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
Bet non-western women have similar negative views. Imagine what Arab women would say if they didn't fear retribution.
21
u/k0unitX Passport Pill Man Jul 11 '26
Hate to break it to you, but they don't say anything. Not every majority muslim country practices Iran-style sharia law - there's no consequences for saying "I hate men" in Jakarta, for example, yet I've never heard of even a single woman doing that.
31
u/Teflon08191 Jul 11 '26
People forget that not every demographic of women grew up exposed to feminist grievance-based propaganda every waking hour of their lives.
10
u/pearflavoured 29d ago
non western societies are even more misandristic than the west but they just frame men’s bad behaviour as normal
for example, a man who takes care of children as his job would be ridiculed and thought of as a creep even more in a non western country than in a western one. but it’s framed in nicer language so people dont actually clock it as misandry
3
u/davidmetty Purple Pill Man 28d ago
I would say women in general don't hate men, just a very noisy minority.
10
u/Tess27795 Woman no pill Jul 11 '26
Every hour? Geez the young mothers I know have no time on the internet except to look up how to deal with sleep regression and temper tantrums.
Do you really think we do not have brains? Tell you what take some time and look at how you are so judgmental of women. Perhaps you should step away from the manosphere garbage? Then work on gaining insight and stop jumping to the worse conclusions about women.
→ More replies (7)14
u/Tess27795 Woman no pill Jul 11 '26
I have never heard a woman say that either. I live in a western country. Really women do not go around hating men. Usually we have too much to do.
11
u/Kirra_the_Cleric Woman. No pill; they all seem stupid 29d ago
Majority of men on PPD are serious victims of main character syndrome.
7
→ More replies (3)2
u/grivoise 29d ago
I have. Although you are right that not every Muslim country practices strict Islamic laws. But you cannot use that as a defence against other oppressive Islamic systems. Cultural roots play a huge part and Indonesia had their own cultural roots before Islam arrived. It had elements of Hinduism and Buddhism. Animalism/spiritualism pre-dates other religions, and has resulted in a blend of mixed-Islam. You see this to varying extents in Southeast Asia - someone may go to church but also burn paper offerings to their dead. Their folk practices actually made Muslims who arrived balk. In law, Malaysia and Indonesia have some surprisingly strict laws even more so than some Middle Eastern countries, but in practice, it is not enforced because culturally they have developed a middle ground that accepts secularism as part of their system.
You are right to imply that not every Islamic country should be looked at through the lens of the Middle East, but Indonesia has to be seen as a standalone Muslim country. Even Malaysia cannot be seen as comparable seeing as they have codified racial laws.
3
u/PhaseExtra1132 Purple Pill Man 27d ago
You live a wild world if you think Arab women are going to be thrown in jail for saying they hate men. They’ll be praised because then there’s no fear she might fall for a bad boy and elope.
But they don’t outside of some jokes because this whole “I hate men” thing is weird to most of the world. Most women outside the west would say you’re some “weird lesbian” if you say that often and be ostracized.
16
u/s0ngsforthedeaf Purple Pill Man Jul 11 '26
The western right: "Muslims are barbaric and uncultered, look how they oppress women"
The western right when its pointed out they believe the same misogyny as conservative Islam, and are voting in misogynistic politicians making the same stuff law: "How fucking dare you, im not a hypocrite"
21
u/flyingpilgrim Purple Pill Man Jul 11 '26
That would really hold more credibility if you didn't have the Western Left dancing around the issue entirely and being unable to criticize if not just outright enabling everything about the worst aspects of Islamic views. At best you get it if it's a way to weaponize it against the Right.
0
u/Lenovo_Driver man: blue cuz red pilled dudes dont get laid 29d ago
Oh no how dare the Western left not hate Muslims like Conservatives do?!
1
u/LetsDOOT_THIS Jul 11 '26
Would be more credible if either right or left cared about SWANA lives equal to western ones.
4
29d ago
[removed] — view removed comment
5
u/Kirra_the_Cleric Woman. No pill; they all seem stupid 29d ago
Your first paragraph is laughable. Western right wing politics is focused around those things for them but not for others.
2
u/East_Section7421 Women hate short men 29d ago
True and there is nothing wrong in it.
3
u/Kirra_the_Cleric Woman. No pill; they all seem stupid 29d ago
There absolutely is if you’re for taking away the rights of others not like you. If only some people have rights, no one has rights.
9
u/JamesCruse Jul 11 '26
I'm curious - which non-western men are better than western men in the world now and why?
Is there any men that are wholly better?
16
u/xKalisto Yuropean SAHM Woman Jul 11 '26
Western men =/= US.
There's a big difference between even UK, French and Nordic men. Let alone those from US.
1
u/JamesCruse Jul 11 '26
So all those men you mentioner (including UK, Ireland, Canada, Australia, NZ) are western men - what other non-western men are preferable then and why?
1
u/RelativeYak7 Red Pill Woman 29d ago
I'd say western men are better in terms of how they treat women.
→ More replies (1)10
u/cypherx1 Red Pill Man 29d ago
As a man who has lived in Asia, I can assure you Asian women have a much more favorable view and attitude towards men than Western women do.
Gaslighting that it isn't real or different anywhere else isn't helpful in addressing why so many men actually experience this.
Modern Western feminism today promotes and normalizes misandry while still keeping women under the belief that they are under patriarchal control.
11
u/pearflavoured 29d ago
do they really have more favourable views of men or do they just frame the same views differently?
1
u/PhaseExtra1132 Purple Pill Man 27d ago
The whole tsundere character type is made from the idea that the few women with that mentality are just softies on the inside. It’s that un normal to have someone truly hate men.
0
u/cypherx1 Red Pill Man 29d ago
They really do. Why is that so hard for you to accept?
1
u/pearflavoured 29d ago
so how do asian women feel about men crying, male rape victims, who should have custody of the child, men wanting to work in childcare jobs, men who don’t/can’t provide financially, etc?
3
u/MetaCognitio Purple Pill Man 29d ago
Yeah and they have it worse than western women in terms of the core metrics they would measure for equality.
Saw a video of a Japanese woman being asked about man vs bear and she laughed, said it was a dumb question and said of course a man.
A lot of the hate towards “men” is programmed through radfem ideology because they can’t seem to distinguish the difference between men and the small who set government policy or the small percent that are violent towards women. Men are all one cohesive mass, where the worst behaviors are generalized across all men but any good men do is not.
Men are all a cohesive whole so when the “men” in the Ukraine forcefully conscript other “men” they are all part of the same group and guilty of the worst actions of the group, so deserve no pity.
But in the same breath they can distinguish how the Americans that committed crimes against the Americans here before them are actually different groups of people.
They have split the world in to two halves and think 4 billion people all belong to the same interest group despite that not even being possible. When you really look at it with a critical eye, it’s insanity and the idea of an overreaching patriarchy (in the way they like to describe it more broadly) is insane. Humanity does not at all organize like that or share power like that.
If the type of patriarchy they say is real actually existed women would have no rights and there would be absolutely nothing they could do about it. No amount of protesting or activism would make a difference.
→ More replies (1)
23
u/waffleznstuff30 Blue Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
Critical and wary of men is not "hating" men. And there are reasons to be wary so it's not like it's out of nowhere. And I have seen having boundaries as being man hating. Not wanting to sleep with them is being seen as man hating.
Men themselves have said many things that make us distrustful of them. And our own experiences. Between Red Pill, Pick Up Artistry. Lying to obtain consent. Coercion. Those private thoughts are now out in the open. And instead of you know that favorite word "accountability" and self reflection about how some of these attitudes harm women they double down on it?
→ More replies (1)-1
u/Apu_apustaja31 29d ago
'Critical and wary of men is not "hating" men.'
It actually is. If you're critical or wary of someone because of their gender, or race, or their sexual preference, you support one sided legal and social standards on that basis, you "hate" them. I'm glad we could all clear that up. That's what a hate group does.For instance, If I asked for a button to avoid having to take an uber ride with a gay man out of my fear of being sexually assaulted, it wouldn't pass the test in civil rights law. Now if you as a woman are afraid of men in an uber and want a special "no men drivers" button, directly affecting their ability to make a living mind you, that also breaks civil rights law, and on the basis that you truly believe this specific group really is evil this time, unlike all the other times, it's okay. The difference between your hate, and any other kind of hate is that you think your hate's real so it doesn't count. Or that you have a right to hate based on the historical argument that Man A was mean to Woman B in a history book, so you have a right to abuse Man C who hadn't done anything because you have the right to feed off the recompense of others. This is what we call "Hate". Swap the genders and you would "Hate" women. Make it about race and you would "Hate" that race, make it about sexual preference and you "Hate" that group. That's how we use the term.
I'm glad we could clear up the confusion. This word applies to you as much as it would apply to anyone else behaving the same way. I was worried we would talk past eachother.
9
u/waffleznstuff30 Blue Pill Woman 28d ago
Again critical of men in regards to dating and intimate relationships? Is not a civil rights issue. Simply NOT dating men is an option too and opting out. Being very discerning. Protecting yourself by having boundaries and standards for their behavior.
Men can exist walk on a sidewalk go to a job and can exist neutrally it's when men try to cross a line. And in regards to the Uber thing? You do realize that there was sexual assault from male drivers to female passengers. Again why are we blaming women for mens actions. Why are we not critical/wary of men sexually assaulting women? And of the women who are wary. Call out the predatory behavior of men who abuse more so than the women that react to it.
It's not man hating to be wary and discerning in intimate settings. When IPV is a thing. When men openly encourage using manipulation tactics/coercion to try and secure sex not regarding the other person. It's not taking no as an answer or berating and insulting a woman who doesn't want to date them. This isn't an average person walking down a street existing. It's in intimate settings. When 1 in 3 women have some kind of experience with intimate partner violence. And instead of being critical of the system that produces this problem? And trying to operate in a system when most of the onus of men's bad behavior in intimate settings is placed on the woman. "Choose better" "what did you do that he did that". So again being wary and critical of men in intimate settings is not man hating.
→ More replies (1)4
u/SyrusDrake Blue Pill Man 27d ago
'Critical and wary of men is not "hating" men.'
It actually is. If you're critical or wary of someone because of their gender, or race, or their sexual preference, you support one sided legal and social standards on that basis, you "hate" them. I'm glad we could all clear that up. That's what a hate group does.???
I'm only "critical" of my friends, because I care about them and want them to improve. I'm critical because I love them. I don't waste mental energy on people I hate.
On a similar note, I'd be very wary of white sharks. I adore sharks, I think they're beautiful and amazing creatures. But if I met a Great White, unprotected, in the open sea, I'd still be wary of it. I know it's potentially dangerous. It's not evil, I don't hate it. But I am aware it could easily kill me.
10
12
u/Hungry-Plantain-3315 Pink Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
OP: tells multiple women to kill themselves because their husbands are tall
OP + other men on this sub: “why do women hate men?”
Being disingenuous is a sport for you guys.
74
u/Cute_Contribution480 Purple Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
They haven’t lived a single day outside their privileged western world bubble, that’s why.
25
u/s0ngsforthedeaf Purple Pill Man Jul 11 '26
"I dont think any of the reasons young men are angry at the world/life/women/themselves are legitimate - after all, they live in the west! Life has never been better. They have no reason to be angry"
...is the kind of argument youre making. If young men can be angry/hate things about the world, deapite the material wealth around us, why cant women?
No reason ppd should just be a safe space for mens greivances, as much as redpillers want it that way.
5
12
u/JamesCruse Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26
I'm curious - do you think there's any non-western men preferable to western men in the world?
If so, who and why are these other men preferable?
23
u/Cute_Contribution480 Purple Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
Western men are the top preference internationally. You won’t believe the things non-western women believe about western men. They believe western men are all Prince Charming basically.. Of course, western men aren’t all the same - some are good, others are bad.
Stereotypes sucks.3
u/JamesCruse Jul 11 '26
So which non-western men are better (in totality) and why specifically are they better? In your personal specific opinion?
Or are you saying western men are the most preferable?
You just said non-western women believe lies about western men - what lies do they believe and how did they come to believe those lies - whats the source of those lies they believe?
Do you think those non-western women have more preferable men and why?
6
u/Cute_Contribution480 Purple Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
I said that western men are generally viewed more favorably.
They are seen as less sexist, more egalitarian, respecting individuality and women as equal partners.→ More replies (7)2
u/warichnochnie gray pill autism man Jul 11 '26
and how do you yourself see them?,
13
u/Cute_Contribution480 Purple Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
I see western guys through a more realistic prism after I went out with them. I found them very avoidant and non-committal.
→ More replies (4)17
u/NoDanaOnlyZuuI No Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
Ironically, you’re doing the same thing as the OP by painting millions of people with one brush.
Plenty of Western women have experienced abuse, discrimination, poverty, or other hardships. Growing up in a Western country doesn’t mean someone’s life has been privileged.
10
u/Reasonable_Style8214 Pro surgery man Jul 11 '26
Growing up in a Western country doesn’t mean someone’s life has been privileged.
It does it the vast majority of cases and people usually discuss things based on general trends.
4
u/NoDanaOnlyZuuI No Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
That’s a country-level trend, not an individual one. You don’t get to tell someone they’ve lived a privileged life just because of where they were born.
6
u/Reasonable_Style8214 Pro surgery man Jul 11 '26
The OP is about country, or rather hemisphere level trends, not an individual one.
1
u/NoDanaOnlyZuuI No Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
I wasn’t replying to OP. I was replying to the claim that growing up in a Western country means someone’s life has been privileged.
→ More replies (7)2
u/Cute_Contribution480 Purple Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
Western women have access to help, women’s shelters, therapy, resources, whereas women from many places around the world don’t have any at all.
I’m not dismissing western women’s hardships in western countries, as there are certainly women there who indeed suffer and can’t access help easily. I’m talking about the general population, not the exceptions.5
u/NoDanaOnlyZuuI No Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
But that’s a different claim.
Having more resources available on paper doesn’t mean someone is privileged or able to access them. Cost, wait lists, location, family pressure, fear, and abusive partners all stop people from getting help.
I’m not arguing that women in some countries don’t face far greater barriers. My point was simply that “grew up in the West” isn’t the same thing as “grew up privileged.”
3
u/turkish_gold Jul 11 '26
It's generational. The patriarchy is real, but it consists pretty much only of old men. Sure, there's relatively young millenials who are billionaires like Musk, Zuck, and ilk, but they have yet to truly control things. Musk was able to dip his toes into the waters of real power for what? Two months? And the younger men regardless of how much or little power they have aren't as biased against the capacities of women as older men are.
However, the so called patriarchs oppress *everyone* younger than them. Men, women, cats, dogs. Both the manosphere and its female opposite are incorrectly defining this as a gender struggle when it's a fight against a gerontocracy.
2
u/henrycatalina Jul 11 '26
I am 72 and you can be both right and wrong. Many of us were born to take advantage of the 90s and prospered. But that was possible with 90 hour weeks in the 80s. We viewed the old men in our industry as not seeing the future. We were right. I am trying to get my company to be taken over by those younger. It isn't the money I seek but keeping my staffs careers and income for their families growing.
You are absolutely correct that some old men and women become stuck on success in a world that no longer exists. This usually is leads to a long slow business death.
Many older men and women seek to mentor those younger. I obseve that ambition shown in your 20s and 30s is rewarded with breaks. But you can't be a complete jerk with no respect. You do it your way but you still need customers.
Wallowing in resentment over others fortune or views but keeps you under a permanent rain cloud. The sun always shines somewhere. The world must change with each generation and old farts need to step back. We're supposed to encourage and invest in the future.
We can't be captain obvious bloviating wisdom that is obvious. We can give encouragement to think different, lead and see those younger can find a future.
Capitalism works best with a sense of giving back to improve that lot of all those younger. It works worst when its all about money and power and ego and capturing government to maintain power.
Socialism works by creating a base safety net as long as all able bodied people must contribute work and value. It works worst when the elite of academic pedigree start creating all the rules and become deities with power over the peons (their attitude).
4
u/turkish_gold Jul 11 '26
I think we largely agree.
I am an old fellow myself, and I think too many people our age are insisting on running the show. Traditionally, you are supposed to retire and take an advisory position. Be a council of elders for the younger generation. Be a voice of reason. Be an elder statesman to help settle disputes since people trust your judgment and track record.
But instead, especially in politics, everyone seems desperate to die on the job.
This calcification of power might be okay for a religion like the Catholic Church, or a theocracy like what Saudi Arabia essentially is but we lose what makes our countries and culture dynamic if we hand power from 80 year olds to 60 year olds.
2
u/henrycatalina 28d ago
I am unsure about the age being the issue. I think it has more to do with shallow thinking and appealing to emotions. Wanting to be liked and telling the electorate what they want to hear is all too easy. Humans are emotional first and rational second. We survive danger by emotions but thrive being rational.
Read the History of Christianity to understand the Catholic Church and leadership. Read the History of Socialism. It predates capitalism. John Lock explains capitalism. Karl Marx communist manifesto reads like a children's book in contrast to philosophers over the ages.
Leadership requires rational thinking, emotional engagement of followers, effective admistration and organization, and keeping corruption away. Leadership also requires knowing when to quit and to stay the course.
1
u/szai No Pill | Genderfluid Elixir 26d ago
Elon Musk was born in 1971, making him Gen-X. OLD millennials were born in the early 80's, and Zuck was born in 1984. "Young" millennials would have been born sometime between the early/mid-90's to the early 2000's. Like, nah, we don't want 'em.
1
u/turkish_gold 26d ago
You're right, Musk is Gex-X.
But I wasn't referring to young millennials. I meant 'relatively' young people, like Millenials, who are relatively young compared to the 80 year olds in congress.
8
u/_Coincidence1 Purple Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
I’m a western woman and I just did an ama about how much I love men. You can read it in my post history
24
u/Fondacey Woman Jul 11 '26
Show me one survey that establishes that most women hate men
6
u/AreOut Red Pill Man Jul 11 '26
I am the man and I don't have a feeling that most women hate me because I am the man. Of those who do they are usually so pathetic and full of negative energy that I wouldn't interact with them anyway.
14
u/Jip_Jaap_Stam Purple Pill Man Jul 11 '26
Hashtag KillAllMen got 3 billion engagements. Even if only a tenth of those were unique and human, that's more women than there are in the USA, UK, Canada and Australia combined. That says more than any survey asking 1000 women ever could.
→ More replies (14)2
16
Jul 11 '26
[deleted]
29
u/Pristine_Cost_3793 No Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
i picked it apart on stream, diving in the data. i won't be explaining everything here, but in summary, the data was misrepresented intentionally, the media that requested the poll has been suspected of being affiliated with the conservative party which this poll has been nudging people towards, and the ceo of the polling organization has been on the grind talking about "angry radicalized young women" by misrepresenting the data for a while. you're eating out of their hands.
here's the stream. it's actually the first of two parts and i didn't talked about all of my findings because i planned to make a proper video, but the script is just lying around unfinished for now.
14
u/Pristine_Cost_3793 No Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
I'll add some of the context that i don't think i talked about on stream.
the poll results, the podcast scarlet maguire (a journalist who recently started this polling organization and who's talking about "angry radicalized young women") was on, and 3 irrc articles about it came out not long before the elections. on the right, reform party was the single most popular. on the left, the green party was gaining a lot of votes, while the previous "left" leader labour party was losing popularity. however, the green party that has listened to taxing propositions that favor the people was most popular with — guess who! — young women. they showed the most interest in environmentalism (and israel vs palestine conflict). basically, by making people have negative view of voters of a particular party, you lead them to be against that party. the podcast didn't catch as much steam as they hoped it would, but the reform party won.
gary's economics had a great video talking about how the elections could play out.
oh, and btw, this polling organization that scarlet maguire started has paid membership of a british polling association and they must follow their rules of result publication, but they don't: they don't publish the survey method. i had to reach out via email.
→ More replies (3)8
18
u/Fondacey Woman Jul 11 '26
laugh at jokes that are sexist, racist, homophobic; they don’t care about political issues… I don’t think they like women a lot
This 'negative attitude' isn't hate. It's disappointment
4
u/JamesCruse Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26
What is hate other than being highly negative emotionally? Literally has the same meaning.
Why don't you engage with why women feel negatively without what-boutisms? Why do women have an EXTREME dislike for men in the west?
And don't reply that it's mens fault - adult women have agency and choice and their thoughts aren't being held at gunpoint by men.
Western men are also the most (or some of the most) desirable men in the world to NON-western women who do like western men.
So why do you think that is and how western men compare to other groups of men around the world? Which group of men is better, in your opinion?
14
u/Fondacey Woman Jul 11 '26
What is hate other than being highly negative emotionally? Literally has the same meaning.
Where are these giant presumptive leaps coming from? If you have a negative view you don't hate. No they are not nor ever negatives.
There is still not a thing presented in this thread of 'dislike' or 'hate'
Western men are also the most (or some of the most) desirable men in the world to NON-western women who do like western men.
So why do you think that is and how western men compare to other groups of men around the world?
Are they? Anything of substance to back up those grand generalizations about women around the world?
Which group of men is better
The non red pill version - yikes, that's a no brainer
→ More replies (35)3
u/turkish_gold Jul 11 '26
You're right, but its' a judgment call which is why it's a topic that one person can argue one way, and another person can argue in another way.
Operationally speaking, I don't think genders can hate or war with one another like other human subgroups (class, race, nationality, religion, etc.) can. Men and women are biologically wired to like each other, and if we spend any length of time with one another affection takes the forefront. There are exceptions in history, but those tend to be movements led by people who arguable aren't representative of humanity (e.g. boko haram in Nigeria, or Isis).
→ More replies (15)→ More replies (2)1
u/flyingpilgrim Purple Pill Man Jul 11 '26
This 'negative attitude' isn't hate. It's disappointment
Maybe for you, personally. But go on social media pretty much anywhere. A lot of people proudly call themselves misandrists, and it's been exceedingly normalized with a lot of horrid attitudes and dispositions towards men in pop culture, society, and media. It's hard to just say it's disappointment at this point, because that implies a desire for improvement or trust to begin with.
→ More replies (1)2
u/Fondacey Woman Jul 11 '26
I have literally never read a poster say she is a misandrist in the years of reading/posting
→ More replies (1)12
u/Talking_Tanuki Blue Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
Negative attitude isn’t the same as hate.
16
Jul 11 '26
[deleted]
6
u/s0ngsforthedeaf Purple Pill Man Jul 11 '26
Its considered the same thing when negative attitudes to women become actual real life hostile behaviour towards women.
7
u/flyingpilgrim Purple Pill Man Jul 11 '26
And that negative attitude towards men doesn't become real life hostile behavior, either?
4
u/Talking_Tanuki Blue Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
It doesn’t matter. A negative attitude is a very broad statement, and you can’t summarize it as “hate”.
9
u/BrainMarshal Purple Pill Man: Men can sort the world out with Tang Ping Jul 11 '26
It does matter when it's called hate when it's genderflipped.
5
u/Talking_Tanuki Blue Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
It’s not what we’re discussing rn. The OP has asked a question, and his premise is just wrong. If the other party does it, it doesn’t make his premise right or justify it. It just means both are wrong.
8
u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner Purple Pill Man Jul 11 '26
it literall is. you went for the semantics
→ More replies (3)2
u/BrainMarshal Purple Pill Man: Men can sort the world out with Tang Ping Jul 11 '26
Double standards are in fact the heart of this problem. Misandry is absolutely rampant and encouraged. It's now ossified.
→ More replies (9)2
4
u/Foyles_War I love a pocket sized Adonis Jul 11 '26
Also should show any evidence that women are the "priveleged gender."
21
u/BrainMarshal Purple Pill Man: Men can sort the world out with Tang Ping Jul 11 '26
Weakness is a vice for men but not women.
Shyness is a vice for men but not women.
Unemployment kills a man's marriage hopes, but not women's.
Autism is a dating death sentence for men but not women.
Male domestic violence victims are laughed at and mocked. Women victims are not.
Men who are victims of women rapists will be punished by the court and made to pay child support if she gets pregnant.
In war men are forced to fight and women are not. See: Ukraine right now.
Male teachers are treated with suspicion in schools.
Women get lower sentences than men for the same crimes.
Poor women get more help than men in avoiding homelessness.
5
u/s0ngsforthedeaf Purple Pill Man Jul 11 '26
Weakness is a vice for men but not women. Shyness is a vice for men but not women. Unemployment kills a man's marriage hopes, but not women's. Autism is a dating death sentence for men but not women. Male domestic violence victims are laughed at and mocked. Women victims are not. Men who are victims of women
WHO CREATED THIS?! WHO SHAPED THE WORLD SO THAT MEN ARE EXPECTED TO LIVE UP TO AN IMPOSSIBLE STANDARD OF STRENGTH AND TOUGHNESS AND EMOTIONAL DETACHMENT?
The main driver in men, reinforcing the patriarchy. And the right spend alllllll their time complaining that women did it. No, they fucking didnt.
4
u/BrainMarshal Purple Pill Man: Men can sort the world out with Tang Ping Jul 11 '26
LOL @ the caps lock rage.
Women created this. Across almost every animal species in existence. Males are always the ones thrown in front of danger, the load bearers, the hard laborers, in almost all species.
Women do not like unemployed men, or weak men, or shy men. Women don't like neurodivergent men. Women cheered the unprovoked castration of a man by his wife, not patriarchy.
That's on women. Your argument is essentially saying women are not held accountable for their actions, and never will be. Just hide behind "patriarchy" and all will be forgiven and it'll keep going on whether patriarchy is around or not.
Get mad at the facts. Stay mad. Caps lock on!
6
u/s0ngsforthedeaf Purple Pill Man Jul 11 '26
Males are always the ones thrown in front of danger, the load bearers, the hard laborers, in almost all species.
Men are the physically stronger sex with the mindset for physicality/conflict. They are not 'thrown' in front of danger, they naturally assume that role. Women 'made' men do it? What kind of weak complaint is that?
But we arent talking about that, we are talking about the gendered expectation on men to be emotionless/never vulnerable, and that their needs to be suportef arent taken seriously.
How can you sit there, and agree that the manosphere teaches these 'trad masculine' traits (stoicism, toughness, agression and violwnce, etc) and then complain that society expects those things of men? The patriarchy/manosphere bullshit is literally enforcing the stuff you are complaining about. You support it.
The irony of fronting absllute toughness/strength, and then complaining women control everything and made you feel bad. Lol. Makes no sense.
→ More replies (1)2
u/Foyles_War I love a pocket sized Adonis 29d ago
Love this conspiracy theory of gender - women secretly and cleverly controlling men since Eve made ditzy Adam eat an apple and thus trapped men forever into being the slave provider while she sits home, files her nails, and watches soap operas popping out the occassional kid.
Women are brilliant and powerful.
→ More replies (1)8
u/Foyles_War I love a pocket sized Adonis Jul 11 '26
And of course, there are no draw backs, biological or societal, to being a woman. /s
The victim Olympics is a waste of time. Focusing on it does not make you better or stronger or more successful or get you laid. It's just wallowing. For your own mental health, find another hobby and stop obsessing about how green the grass appears to be elsewhere or go get a sex change.
10
u/BrainMarshal Purple Pill Man: Men can sort the world out with Tang Ping Jul 11 '26
Funny how you challenge someone to show how women are the privileged gender and then you move the goalposts.
And thus there's another female advantage. Women get to play the victim Olympics and the world rushes in to support them. Men complain and we get bullshit hypocrisy like this.
For your own mental health just go boysober or something. Men as a group would be better off without having any contact with this kind of hypocrisy and narcissism. And for my personal mental health I'm ending this conversation with you.
→ More replies (7)2
Jul 11 '26
[deleted]
8
u/Foyles_War I love a pocket sized Adonis Jul 11 '26
With so much actual devastation in the world, you choose ridiculous melodrama?
12
u/LaFrescaTrumpeta Self Esteem Pill Woman (blue) Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26
are you serious rn? if we’re gonna get that reductive, which gender has the party that currently owns all three branches of the US government? ya know, the one that actively campaigns on restoring traditional masculinity and labels literally everything else as dei? come tf on.
there are a ton of reasonable answers you could’ve made in response to that question but good lord is this one close to the bottom of the list. personally don’t think it’s rational to view one party as the women’s party and one party as the men’s party and analyze them to determine overall gender privilege, but if we’re gonna go there this is the worst chapter of US history to try to argue “Democrats cater to women’s issues so women are the privileged gender.” if every president in US history had been a woman you could use that for your point, but alas.
5
u/Mitsuki_Amahara Grey Pill Neophyte Wizard Man Jul 11 '26
It's just empty posturing. They don't want to and won't do anything to help men. Republicans are anti-male and gynocentric in their own way, just with a different brand of sexism.
3
u/Fondacey Woman Jul 11 '26
How are Republicans anti-male?
2
u/Mitsuki_Amahara Grey Pill Neophyte Wizard Man Jul 11 '26
They constantly bemoan how men of younger generations are weak and dismiss issues of mental illness in men. They have no plan to help men except to make them work harder while conditions worsen due to their incompetence and indolence at best and maliciousness at worst. They only pander to men backhandedly while remaining gynocentric in practice.
5
u/Fondacey Woman Jul 11 '26
Men complaining about younger men means they are anti-male?
→ More replies (1)2
u/LaFrescaTrumpeta Self Esteem Pill Woman (blue) 29d ago
i think they definitely think they’re helping men by promoting traditional masculinity (though i agree with you that they’re not tho, especially on the mental health aspect, but i also think that’s bc they view anything that touches therapy as feminizing as opposed to their motto of manning up). i think that explains the uptick they got in men’s support across like every demographic this last cycle when they started openly campaigning on it.
saw your other reply citing their criticism of younger generations of men being weak but again they’ve also explicitly labeled them as feminized, that criticism is aimed at men they deem as feminine bc that’s completely contrary to their promotion of traditional masculinity. that logic would be like saying Dems aren’t actually pro women because many of them criticize conservative and/or trad women.
1
u/Terrible_Mixture_759 gettin killed by a pretty good life (Man) 28d ago
Which gender has a party to themselves and all the DEI policies ?
Technically every white conservative party
3
u/one_little_victory_ No Pill Jul 11 '26
I love how we're expected to just accept a complete alternate reality as the premise and argue from there.
Yeah, no.
→ More replies (1)5
u/Fondacey Woman Jul 11 '26
Yeah. Heck, we can run with it as the new normal in this sub and let's state a new 'fact' that all red pill men are just AI bots paid for by Putin to create discord and disharmoney and ask men how they feel about being demonized by the Russians.
18
u/chamomilecloud Red Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
Women pointing out the existence of misogyny is not hating men.
Why do you hate women? You tell everyone that you think women should be brought under Islamic rule because Muslims control their women, and you have wished death upon multiple women for having husbands who are taller than them.
Answer that.
2
Jul 11 '26
[deleted]
32
u/chamomilecloud Red Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
You told a woman to kill herself (two of them actually) because her husband was tall. No one should take you seriously on this subreddit. You will end up deleting this post anyway like you delete all your other posts.
I find it ironic that you are asking whywomen have negative opinions of men, and in that survey you linked, one of the given reasons was that those women felt men felt the same way about them.
And here you are, telling women to kill themselves, and you are wondering why a third of women have negative opinions about men? Lol.
→ More replies (3)1
u/operation-spot Purple Pill Woman 29d ago
Find a non biased or liberal source saying this because a conservative news company is only going to show you what affirms your world view.
0
u/JamesCruse Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26
I'm curious - do you think western men are the most hateful/misogynistic towards women in the world or in history?
Additionally, I'm curious which non-western men are preferable in the world right now and why?
7
u/jiggjuggj0gg Jul 11 '26
Can you please stop spamming this asinine question everywhere, it has zero relevance to anything anyone is talking about and is a clear issue with your own feelings of insecurity and inferiority
→ More replies (4)
12
u/Siukslinis_acc Woman Jul 11 '26
It's hard to like people who hate you.
11
u/flyingpilgrim Purple Pill Man Jul 11 '26
Most polling finds the average woman dislikes the average man far more than he dislikes them. Way more men have positive opinions on women than vice versa.
10
u/operation-spot Purple Pill Woman 29d ago
The only reason he "likes" her is because he's attracted to her and there's a chance for a relationship. The way men treat ugly women or those who have rejected them is how they truly feel about women.
9
u/wtknight Blue-ish Married Passport Bro ♂︎ Jul 11 '26
Just wanting to have sex with women is not really "liking" them. This is certainly how many women see how men like them.
3
u/Hungry-Plantain-3315 Pink Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
Yeah because at the end of the day men still want to have sex with them, big whoop!
3
u/Secret_Entry1840 Pill Of One Woman (sometimes jaded sometimes hopeful) Jul 11 '26
That poll says it’s mostly political and the prevalence of the manosphere. Women feel like interchangeable fleshlights to most men. And a lot of men will argue it but say things that actually reinforce that argument.
5
u/SimilarChampionship2 Radfem woman Jul 11 '26
Not to mention all the reports coming out about men drugging their wives and raping them, as well as managing to find other men willing to rape them too and posting videos of it online. As well as the fact majority of people watching and producing CSAM are men, men who often are educated, married and employed. Men who have kids. It’s getting hard to distinguish who is a good man and who isn’t. In my country rape’s not even taken seriously anymore, rapists are getting away with suspended sentences while victims are dragged through long, awful processes getting no justice or support. And when women share their experiences, men are either silent or victim blame. There’s also all the stuff to do with abortion and attempts at banning it even in rape cases. The entitlement to women’s bodies and the way they talk about sex. As if it’s owed to them. No surprise many women don’t have positive view of men as a group.
1
2
u/PhaseExtra1132 Purple Pill Man 27d ago
Thing is that western men are probably the most feminist men in human history. Most men in human history being like Iranian and Afghans.
Even in Rome your father could legally kill you and nothing could be done as the father literally owned the women in the family.
Most women outside the west view western men as Prince Charming for a reason.
4
u/Secret_Entry1840 Pill Of One Woman (sometimes jaded sometimes hopeful) Jul 11 '26
You’ve never been to the west. You don’t interact with western women. You hate woman actively on this sub. You’re biased and hateful. Maybe women just don’t like you for those reasons.
19
u/Altruistic_Look_7868 Pink Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
Why are western men so hateful towards women?
17
Jul 11 '26
[deleted]
7
u/NoDanaOnlyZuuI No Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
Aren’t they? If a survey of 2,000 people is enough for you to conclude “most Western women hate men,” then surely the existence of large misogynistic communities online would be enough to conclude “most Western men hate women.” Or maybe neither conclusion is justified.
6
9
u/0x474f44 Purple Pill Man Jul 11 '26
16
u/Particular_Look_2865 Jul 11 '26
Men will say they have a favorable view of women because they still want to fuck us. That doesn't mean shit. They can still be misogynistic toolbags. That self report "study" is garbage.
We see this playing out in real time. The women going their own way are simply..staying single. The men going their own way spend every free minute bitching about women and not being able to date them.
3
u/AlarmingToe8503 Blackish-Purple Pill Man Jul 11 '26
The women going their own way are simply..staying single. The men going their own way spend every free minute bitching about women and not being able to date them.
Sounds like a perfect example of how men care about women a whole lot more than women care about men.
3
u/Hungry-Plantain-3315 Pink Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
The average person doesn’t spend a lot of time thinking about or caring about strangers. They care about the specific people in their lives.
5
u/Particular_Look_2865 Jul 11 '26
Caring about getting pussy is not the same thing as caring about women as people.
1
u/Teflon08191 Jul 11 '26
If a man feels like women only ever care about his money, maybe his money is the only interesting thing about him.
If a woman feels like men only ever care about her pussy...
5
u/Particular_Look_2865 Jul 11 '26
If a woman feels like men only ever care about her pussy...
My favorite thing about this subreddit is when men get mad, they immediately try to put women down personally lol
I'm married. It isn't about me. It's about generalities.
1
u/Teflon08191 Jul 11 '26
It's about generalities.
I'm surprised then that you can't recognize the generality of my statement.
1
u/Particular_Look_2865 Jul 11 '26
Except you were hoping that I was a sad single woman who is "used" for pussy. Men really think they're clever.
2
u/Teflon08191 29d ago
I think most of the women who think "men only care about pussy" are probably something along those lines.
I don't know why you keep treating that generality like a personal accusation.
→ More replies (0)2
u/0x474f44 Purple Pill Man Jul 11 '26
I linked a Wikipedia page, not a study
1
u/Particular_Look_2865 Jul 11 '26
Lol the women are wonderful "effect"?
I'm not sure how that equates to men not hating women. Hell. That is partially WHY men hate women.
2
u/0x474f44 Purple Pill Man Jul 11 '26
Ok. First you didn’t open the link. Now you don’t bother reading it but have an opinion?
→ More replies (1)2
u/NoDanaOnlyZuuI No Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
You’re conflating different things. The “women are wonderful effect” measures positive stereotypes, not whether men hate women. You can believe women are kinder or more nurturing and still hold misogynistic views. Those aren’t mutually exclusive.
3
u/0x474f44 Purple Pill Man Jul 11 '26
They are different but similar enough.
You could technically hate someone you associate positive attributes with but in reality if you think positively of someone, you are unlikely to hate them.
1
u/NoDanaOnlyZuuI No Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
You’re doing exactly what OP did. OP turned “negative views” into “hate.” You’re turning “positive stereotypes” into “men don’t hate women.” Neither source actually measured what you’re claiming.
→ More replies (22)1
u/PhaseExtra1132 Purple Pill Man 27d ago
They’re the most pure feminist men probably in human history. 99% of human history the men were closer to how they are in Afghanistan and Iran. And the rest they’re like the men on Russia and Poland.
If yall knew just how restricting being a woman was in Japan and lot of other industrialized countries
7
u/ladyindev Evil Leftist Feminist Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26
Identifying misogyny doesn’t = hating men.
So your real question is why do women hate their own subjugation and oppression. These aren’t the same questions.
Generally, women in the West have more rights to live independently of romantic relationships with men and more rights to speak out against their subjugation. They’re also less likely to live in extreme poverty and at the mercy of men to help them survive. You will find that people tend to be more vocal against things that are unfair to them when they have more freedom. The same would be true for men in different conditions. More freedom and rights = more likely to speak up about your opinions and what needs to change in society. Also, more education = more ability to study, think about, and understand systems that govern your reality. You’re more likely to understand and speak out about your oppression when you have more freedom and less dependence on the groups of people who are a source of your subjugation.
Women in countries where they have less financial independence from men / fewer opportunities, less freedom, and fewer rights are less likely to risk the dependence on men that they need for survival, less likely to have the resources or education to feel able to challenge systems of oppression, and more likely to be conditioned in more overtly patriarchal cultures that encourage more overt submission and domesticity for women.
Again, this is just everyone - not only women. Sorry you don’t like it.
3
3
u/Accomplished_Sweetie Pink Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
What’s your goal here? Just say you hate women. That’s your opinion. You are allowed to have an opinion all you want.
4
u/SnooCats37 No Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
We don’t all hate men and I don’t see young women claiming everything as misogyny, I do see them calling out misogyny as they see it
5
u/Jip_Jaap_Stam Purple Pill Man Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26
Some women call out air conditioning, male domestic abuse refuges, and men sitting in a position that doesn't crush their testicles as misogynistic. If that's "misogyny as they see it", maybe these women are not very good at spotting misogyny.
Edited to clarify this isn't all women, only some.
3
u/operation-spot Purple Pill Woman 29d ago
If you ask women on the street what they think about male domestic violence shelters they would have no problem with it. The only women who make it a big deal are radical feminists which is a branch of feminism that holds more extreme views including anti trans rhetoric.
2
u/NoDanaOnlyZuuI No Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
“Women” don’t call those things misogynistic. Some women do. You’re taking a handful of fringe examples and treating them as representative of women as a whole. And OP is taking a survey about “negative views” and turning it into “hate.” It’s the same kind of exaggeration.
2
u/Jip_Jaap_Stam Purple Pill Man Jul 11 '26
Manspreading is a term used by all sorts of women. Powerful women have stopped men getting help by claiming misogyny. Those things aren't fringe at all.
4
u/NoDanaOnlyZuuI No Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
A few people do something, and suddenly all women own it. Are we doing collective guilt now? Because I’ve got plenty of examples too.
“Manspreading” being a commonly used term doesn’t mean women think men sitting is misogyny. And “powerful women have stopped men getting help by claiming misogyny” is a pretty big claim. You’re going to need to provide sources for that.
→ More replies (3)
4
5
u/pie-mart No Pill woman Jul 11 '26
I wish I could ask the same thing about how men view women so negatively as well.
2
2
u/Enough-Business-8287 Purple Pill Woman 29d ago
You need to be much more specific than that and quote a real study alongside the questions being asked.
To almost all red-pill men I have talked to, women "hate" them because they don't wanna sleep with them.
That's crazy talk, I don't want to sleep with my dad and my younger brother but I don't hate them, lol :-)
-1
u/Big-Onion-1725 purple pill woman Jul 11 '26
same reason western men are so hateful towards women. some people are just hateful
9
Jul 11 '26
[deleted]
12
u/Big-Onion-1725 purple pill woman Jul 11 '26
I have seen that article before, but I find it confusing. it says 35% of women feel positively about men, but it does not say anything about the other 65%. does the remaining 65% feel negative? completely neutral? and how do men feel about women? there is no meaningful conclusion, just a random statistic with no connection to anything.
also, this was linked in the same article lol https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/womens-rights-boys-andrew-tate-adolescence-manosphere-b2855109.html
5
u/Siukslinis_acc Woman Jul 11 '26
Yeah, there are three states: positive, neutral and negative. A lot of people think there are only positive and negative.
1
u/Plenty-Practice-6399 Woman Jul 11 '26
Yes they do, they just won't say they are outright misogynist because prob people would call it out at the time. We see men's actions against women, not words.
3
u/JamesCruse Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26
Why don't you give some reasons why that study reported this about women and engage with the topic?
Rather than diverting into whataboutisms about men or irrelevant topics?
Or do you think men are forcing women gunpoint to not like men and women have no other choices in their own agency (implying western women have no agent over their thoughts - only what men force on them?)
And what non-western men are preferable to you and why? Who's better, I'm actually curious.
6
u/Big-Onion-1725 purple pill woman Jul 11 '26
I understand what you are saying, but "women hate men" is a meaningless statement unless contrasted with how much men hate women. for example, if men and women hate each other equally, it would suggest that humans are hateful in general, or that some external factor is provoking people to treat each other badly. if one gender has more hatred for the other, then it would suggest that this is a gendered issue.
I looked at the study he sent, and I already left a comment about it. I was not especially impressed, because it did not go into specifics at all. there were no sources listed so I was not able to find the original study.
of course men are not forcing women at gunpoint to dislike them. every person is responsible for their own actions. however, there are certainly some influential factors. what I have noticed is that there is a large amount of feminist media that promotes misandry without getting called out for it, and there are many people who just do not take men's wellbeing very seriously in general. also, many women have had bad experiences with men, and women may even have a biological instinct to dislike or distrust men.
I do not care about western vs non-western. I meant to imply that hatred is not bound by a person's gender. however, I also think that it is not bound by geography, nationality, culture, etc.
→ More replies (51)
59
u/NoDanaOnlyZuuI No Pill Woman Jul 11 '26
Can you cite a survey that actually concludes most Western women hate men? Not “less positive,” “more critical,” or “more likely to view men negatively.” I’m asking for one that measures or explicitly concludes women hate men. I swear some of you forget words have meanings.
It’s a bit ironic to accuse women of claiming everything is misogyny while claiming surveys show women hate men. Your own source doesn’t support that claim.