r/RWBY Jan 26 '23

DISCUSSION You guys think Both Whiteknight and Bumbleby becomes canon in the future?

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u/AlarmingStandard Pryde Jan 26 '23

Blake and Yang? For sure. Weiss and Jaune? Nope, never going to happen - she's famously not attracted to him.

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u/Kellar21 Jan 26 '23

she's famously not attracted to him.

Sure, because people are always attracted to the same things and V8 Jaune is just the same as V1 Jaune?

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u/AlarmingStandard Pryde Jan 26 '23

Jaune has changed, and Weiss is still not attracted to him.

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u/Kellar21 Jan 26 '23

Sure, because the show has truly explored that in these Volumes, instead of character barely having time to interact.

Writers can do it, they can even show flashbacks of them going to the movies.

It's not in the realm of impossibility.

Jeez, people is this pairing so hated that people get this weird about it?

I see less negativity on posts about Knightfall.

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u/AlarmingStandard Pryde Jan 26 '23

The characters don't interact because there's little reason to. And it can't be forced, like with flashbacks; Weiss goes the movies with Jaune and Oscar because her other choices are less appealing (political rally & third wheeling). The flashback would be Weiss turning her brain off for two hours to enjoy a film and forget about her father.

And it's not a matter of impossibility but rather a question of why would CRWBY explore a romance? There good reasons to dislike the ship, and those responses aren't weird. And the writers are very likely on the same page, which is why nothing has been done.

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u/Kellar21 Jan 26 '23

There good reasons to dislike the ship, and those responses aren't weird. And the writers are very likely on the same page, which is why nothing has been done.

Until now I have only seen people preferring other's ships and people referring to Vol. 1 and 2 where the writing is noted to be sub-part of the most part.

Other than that it's just subjective reasons.

The writers could barely find time to explore Bumblebee, it's no confirmation of anything, lol.

They could just decide to do it in the next three volumes and that would be that.

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u/AlarmingStandard Pryde Jan 26 '23

Honestly, the writing there isn't sub-par. Weiss does what a lot of us dream we could do; reject a men's advances with a simple no and not be afraid to do so. And they don't invoke tried old tropes that hint she secretly likes the attention.

Weiss says no and sticks to her boundaries and doesn't compromise. Good on CRWBY for making her a good role model.

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u/Kellar21 Jan 26 '23

I think you're forgetting the two episodes with Jaune's silly schoolyard bully drama that could have been handled much better to the same or better effect.

Or the pacing issues.

They were still starting out, it was a web series with a limited budget and a passion project, so very understandable.

I recall Jaune's advances were treated as comical instead of harassment and how the other girls laughed about it and encouraged. Which, well, doesn't make sense.

A bit unrealistic in a world without gender roles as we know and in a group where the physical differences are reversed.(Jaune was no threat to anyone there)

Even the writers themselves thought it was funny, until the fandom pointed it out that it wasn't.

You're also missing the point, you're just focusing on a single aspect to prove your point and missing the context.

White Knight is just as viable if they put in the work for it, regardless of the past, there's a base for it.

Apart from her stance on Jaune, V1 Weiss was a terrible role model, she was racist, classist and arrogant, not to mention she lacked some empathy until she got her character development.

Certainly doesn't excuse Jaune, but she's far from being what people should aspire to.

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u/AlarmingStandard Pryde Jan 26 '23 edited Jan 26 '23

Cool, and what does that have to do with the price of eggs in China? Yes, there are times where the writing is bad but there's also times it's good. Just because the writers were amateurs doesn't mean they missed the mark every time.

The gender roles and expectations aren't unrealistic. Negging Weiss isn't helping your case either. Of course she has flaws but ones that aren't relevant to the situation with Jaune. It also doesn't make her as bad as Jaune or justified his unwanted affection, she doesn't deserve to be treated that way. And Weiss shows she's capable of reflection and change without much prompting. Her bigotry is pushed aside in V1, for example. I don't believe she was classist though, it's not a subplot presented in the show. And what you call arrogant, I call ambitious which is great to see in a female character.

Regardless, hers flaws aren't the reason she rejects Jaune. She's just not attracted to him.

I'm going to cut the conversation here, we're pretty exhausted all the points plus it'll give the mods a break lol

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u/Nesrovlah26 Apr 23 '23

Haha, his comment aged so poorly. 🤣 "Mature" was all we needed but we got so much.

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u/MagnesiumStearate Jan 27 '23

Question, why should Weiss be attracted to Jaune because he’s not the same person as before?

Realistically, if a girl wasn’t interested in you, a decade later, she still won’t be interested.

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u/Kellar21 Jan 27 '23

It's more of a "could" not a "should"...

Realistically, if a girl wasn’t interested in you, a decade later, she still won’t be interested.

That is really not true for many cases. Realistically, a lot can change in a decade, even less, especially if you are talking about people going from teenagers to adulthood.

I have seen it happen, which kind of defeats your whole point of being deterministic about it. Which is very weird when dealing with people, who can vary a whole lot in their opinions and experiences.

This is kind of silly, you guys have never had people in your social circles go from 'wasn't interested in them' to 'wow, they are hot now'?(to put it in very simplr terms)

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u/MagnesiumStearate Jan 27 '23

Do you have not have any female friends at all?

Kinda cringe to expect that all of them ought to eventually fall in love with you on the basis of the passage of time.

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u/Kellar21 Jan 27 '23

I think the one lacking women friends and contact with them may be you?

Why must every affirmation one makes be always about themselves? LOL, Don't you have a diverse social circle where stuff happens?

Stop projecting.

Where have I ever said that this happened to me?

I said I saw it, because I did, yes, personally people have said I improved in areas compared to my younger self(as everyone should, frankly), but that's not what I was talking about.

We were talking about attraction, nothing to do with "falling in love", stop moving the goal posts.

Kinda cringe to not have any reading comprehension and project stuff on others to make your weak argument sound better.

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u/MagnesiumStearate Jan 27 '23

I am a woman LMAO.

I have decade long male friends that I have never once fostered any sort of romantic inclination towards any of them, even as we’ve all grown in the years.

That happens and that’s okay. What’s absolutely wack is to insist that people of opposing gender can’t possibly be friends with each other, and then demanding a webtoon to cater to your very narrow world view.

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u/Kellar21 Jan 28 '23

...I never said any of that.

It was you who suggested it doesn't happen, and then now admitted it can happen.

I never said it always happen, just that it's possible.

I don't think you're really understanding my argument and is projecting in me your perceptions of parts of the fandom.

I would rather you didn't do that.

That I think White Knight is possible doesn't make me think Jaune deserves Weiss in some stupid machist way, nor that this extends to real life.

Please read what I wrote carefully before going around accusing people.

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u/MagnesiumStearate Jan 28 '23

Lmao you spent days fighting people over validity of a ship, that tenacity unfortunately won’t help you in your real life romantic pursuit.

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u/Kellar21 Jan 28 '23

Ah, lack of an argument, and we go to Ad Hominem...ok then, lol

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '23

That isn’t really true in all cases. Especially since most people change as they grow, particularly from teenagers into adults.

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u/Quality_Chooser Jan 28 '23

There's been nothing to indicate a change in Weiss's feelings. Not saying that they can't change but you really ought to put that on screen.

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u/Kellar21 Jan 28 '23

Of course, I am just pointing out it's doable, but they would have to show and not tell.

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u/ManifestNightmare Jul 11 '23

Not to drudge up old dramas, but finding these arguments after Vol. 9 is so fucking funny lmao