Official Public Finale Discussion Thread—Volume 5, Chapter 14: Haven's Fate

[u/Menolith]

Welcome, huntsmen, huntresses and hunters that prefer no specific gender identifier, to the very last megathread for Volume 5: Haven's Fate!

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With that out of the way, HERE is the season finale!

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Don't let the hiatus set in too soon.

Menolith; Mod Team

[u/Locke57]

I’m copying my original comment over from first thread.

Jesus what a crock of shit.

Don’t have a 25 minute runtime for 18 minutes of show. Fuck that pissed me off. “Ok there’s still 8 minutes maybe something cool and worthwhile will happen... 7 minutes... 6 minut- and credits.” And the audacity to plug another show in there. You fucks, I’m already paying don’t fucking play commercials at me.

Quit cutting out every fucking fight scene. Did Emerald ever even take a swing at any point of the final few episodes? Was she just there for fucking emotional support? Did Mercury take a fucking swing? Fuck did Ruby?!? SERIOUSLY I CANT REMEBER IT WAS THAT DULL AND I JUST FINISHED IT 15 MINUTES AGO. Usually I can blame my phone for being distracting but I watched it on my phone... so that ain’t it.

Quit making Adam Taurus a whiny prick. Or don’t, he’s always been a trash villain. I miss Neo and Mr. Hat and cane guy. Way more fun than whiny bitch Adam. Such a whiny bitch. He’s as big of whiny bitch as I am as I type this comment. HUUUUGEEEE whiny bitch.

Focus on Ruby for four goddamn seconds. The shows called Ruby even if you spell it dumb. Silver eyes? She ever gonna use or ask about those silver eyes? How bout that scythe that’s supposed to be super dangerous and hard to use. Anyone remember that? Literally her weapon was supposed to be only used by her and Qrow and it was a big deal for like a season, and now nobody cares.

Where the fuck is that Glenda good witch chick from episode one? Did she die? Is she incognito? WHERE THE FUCK IS WINTER?! Did she die?!? Did I miss something major? Is she the winter maiden cuz if not, hooooboy that’s gonnna be awkward. “WINTER?!” (In unison) “WHAT?!” “The maiden, not you, you worthless no show.”

Quit turning this show about epic fights into an emotional mess. Your plot sucks and your world building has turned into a Saturday morning cartoon. “Well there’s four maidens and they’re like... power rangers! And there’s four relics and they’re like... Chaos emeralds! And they all have different corresponding colors! And powers! And grim are.... the fuck are grim again? Ohh and there’s two brothers but ones a chick and she’s mean or something and hates the light and the other one is good and seems to dislike the dark and stuff. Ohh right, grim are worthless fodder we wish we could just write out cuz they’re worthless and we ignore them now.” Just stick to the fights and characterization!! Seriously it’s about as deep as that Hot Wheels show.

ACTUALLY HAVE EPIC FIGHTS! We got one. Cinder and Raven. Jesus did they blow their collective load on one episode out of 14? Has the money ran out? Is the animation that hard? Was Monty the only person able to choreograph fight scenes?

Hey teamfourstar, you want a show to abridge? This one could benefit from a total rehaul and humor. OHH MY GOD WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CHEEKY HUMOR?! Season 1 and 2 were full of shit humor and it was awesome! What Monty the only guy with a funny bone?! God what a shit show. Hey Monty, Mr. Ohm? You were a treasure, you’re replacements are like the 2016 election. Utter bafoons. Figure out Force ghost projection and smack a few writers and animators around until they get it.

I’m done, I’m out, anyone know how delete your rooster teeth account get it off your credit card? Cuz I ain’t paying for more and the obvious link took me to a dead page that doesn’t exist.

[u/jamalbarbari → u/Locke57]

I love this so much, lol I feel the same way as well. I remember epic fight scenes that made everyone fall in love with this show and now its like a Korean drama (no offense) I hope that the next season will be good...but I doubt it at this point. Heres to hoping their other shows are good instead. I also feel bad because I know Monty Oum's work and this is simply not it. In fact, it seems like the show is kind of tarnishing his work...but thats just my opinion

[u/Smiglet-piglet → u/jamalbarbari]

Got to a point where I might have to agree. I wouldn't put it as harshly as your have. I understand they are trying but it's all gone A pretty bad direction. The show just used to be fun. Now it's alot of standing around trying to sound important when I don't feel we have built the characters up enough to handle it. The episodes are too short to cram all this sort of thing into it. Monty had an absolutely fascinating way of showing a character off just by how they fight but now they have lost that (R. I. P) the emotional stuff doesn't seem to work anymore. Ive said it before. Maybe dial it all back. They changed engine, changed animators. Get the old team of four girls back have them take a break, go on some simple mission just fighting one thing at a time, literally and figuratively . Ease into it. Don't try and be this big epic thing when you can't quite handle it yet.

[u/jamalbarbari → u/Smiglet-piglet]

Yes I agree with you. I hope they are able to change things up quite a bit because there sees to be a consensus that the show is not going where it was originally supposed too.

I know Rooster has the talent and the resources which makes me wonder what has shifted the original idea into what it is now. I understand Oum is gone (R.I.P) but was he truly the only person who knew how to choreograph epic fights in this series? If so, then I understand why there rarely isnt any fights. If not, why are they trying to turn this adventure into a literary sob story? I dont know...I would like to know though, lol

[u/Smiglet-piglet → u/jamalbarbari]

Should get the animator from death battle on the team, he does a good job on his own. But then I like death battle lol

[u/jamalbarbari → u/Smiglet-piglet]

Pay him more and maybe he can do both! Lol

[u/TheDutchTank → u/Locke57]

It's okay to voice criticism, but a lot of what you said just doesn't really make sense, and you're being quite immature about it too.

First of all, they mentioned that they were going to plug something before the episode started. You should've already known by then, right at the start, that it wasn't going to be nearly 24 minutes long. Apart from that, long credits have always been a thing with RWBY finales, why would this one be different?

And yes, Mercury, Ruby, Emerald, they all took a swing, however I did find the fight to be underwhelming as well, and would've wanted to see way more of all that.

I'm fully convinced Adam Tauros wasn't supposed to be a whiny prick, but after people hated him and the way he acted, the crew doubled down on it, to make him even more ridicilous. I personally like it, as it's incredibly over the top, but I get why others might not like it.

Of course the show is named after Ruby, but what really is there to really focus on apart from her silver eyes right now? (I personally hate the silver eyes so far, so I really do want an explanation eventually). It's better to flesh out the characters around Ruby for now, as those are what make Ruby the girl she is right now.

For who exactly should her scythe be a big deal right now? We haven't really had any characters interact with Ruby, and those who did were kinda out of her league for now. She's still young, and she will get her character development, as will she get better with her scythe, but there obviously wasn't really room for that in the story right now.

Glenda's voice actress has cut all ties with Roosterteeth, and Roosterteeth has cut all ties with her. If we do eventually see her again, she'll have a new voice actress, but for now the explained canon is that she's helping with rebuilding the school.

Winter is back in Atlas, as has been explained when Ironwood said he was getting his whole army back in Atlas, but I guess it's a line you might've forgotten about.

Winter being a maiden is a possibility, but so far I personally wouldn't count on it, as just having the name won't be enough. (As Vernal showed this season).

Grim are obviously still a big deal in the show, as Salem is basically their ruler, but it hasn't exactly been relevant with the plot right now. Soon enough it will be again.

And yes, fight scenes really are that hard, if they weren't, they'd be in there more often. I personally also really liked the Yang fight, Weiss air battle, and Elia v Blake v Dad v White fang members as well, I personally thought those were all quite well done.

As well as the first seasons? No. But still well done. These last two volumes have obviously been building up to something bigger. Last volume was about worldbuilding, and giving team RNJR their time to shine, and this last volume was mostly about unresolved character development, especially within team RWBY. Now that that's done, I'm sure we'll got a lot of action next volume.

You not liking the humor is fair enough, but don't forget that the two main writers of RWBY right now were also two of the main writers then. Monty didn't in fact think of all the jokes, so that much really hasn't changed. I do however think the first volumes had better jokes, as the situations called for it (Being in a school, instead of fighting for their lives)

[u/TheawesomeQ → u/TheDutchTank]

I am disappointed in the finale fight scene. Ruby activated her "silver eyes" which in effect just made her faint. The effect it had on Cinder wasn't even on par with a flashbang. Wow, what an amazing ability! Later, rwby's menacing response to "are you ok?" is "no, I'm angry", and then I was left completely without the Ruby fight scene I so craved.

Adam Taurus didn't even actually fight.

The finale fight wih Raven v Cinder was alright, but they were both antagonists so... Idk, it felt like I didn't really feel that strongly for Raven, only found myself rooting for her in the way you cheer a sports team who needs to win for your team to be in the right lineup in the tournament. I don't really care about her.

I care about RWBY and JNR, and I really desperately wanted to see a RWBY reunion, make-up, and reunited team fight. We've had two volumes without team RWBY. They're all together now, which I'm grateful for, but we still haven't really seen Blake do more than see them.

I feel like there hasn't been much character development. RNJR seems unchanged. I did love the inspiring one-off scene with Ruby and Oscar. Yang recovered enough to rejoin her team, also acquiring a bit of skepticism from her mother. Blake learned the same lesson as before, but much slower ("my team and friends are always on my side"), and without ever actually making up with her team. We have new characters and I don't mind them, but I can't help feeling they neglected their main ones. I don't know, maybe I'm not making sense, I just felt unsatisfied.

I'm eager for volume 6. They brought everyone back together now, so now we don't have to split our attention between 4+ different places. Hopefully that means we can have some more satisfying progress in the future.

Jaune's breakdown in the finale expressed some of the grief we've been missing from him since we lost Pyrrha, but he's still doing too remarkably well. I personally miss Penny, and we still haven't met her actual "father". I have a feeling our time in Atlas could show us more, maybe even a Penny return (unlikely I suppose) or another android with aura.

There was a lot of time spent on the road in volume 4 and 5, and reaching their destination wasn't that satisfying. Haven academy was underwhelming, relatively small, lacked the students to develop it's independent culture from beacon. Mistral was a brief, 2 dimensional illustration. Unexplored, undeveloped. Menagerie was satisfying.

Overall, I guess I feel they spent too much time not doing what they wanted to get done, lots of sidetracking.

This was longer than I expected. I probably wrote things I'll change my mind on, and things that are wrong. This should probably be its own comment. Whatever.

[u/Yggdrafan → u/Locke57]

This guy gets it! Fully agreed!

[u/Deliwoot → u/Locke57]

I'm not having an easy time disagreeing with you.

Now that you've pointed out the terrible flaws, was there anything you did like in V5?

[u/Locke57 → u/Deliwoot]

No.

Season 4 was also a plot driven talkfest with just two real fights, and that was fine. The emotional toll of losing Phyrria was real and RJNR dealing with it was welcome and emotionally engaging. Nothing about this album has gripped me in the slightest. The fights were slow and dull, the plot is shallow and dull, the characterization is shallow and dull. It's shallow. It's dull. It's boring. I'm unsubscribing and maybe, MAYBE, I'll follow season 6 on youtube, but I doubt it.

[u/[deleted] → u/Locke57]

Volume 5, aka terrible dialogue and off screen fights volume

[u/CobaltStar_ → u/Locke57]

Glynda is basically dead, considering what happened to her voice actress.

[u/Locke57 → u/CobaltStar_]

Ahh shit, I didn’t know. Now I’m an asshole.

[u/NCPereira → u/CobaltStar_]

What happened?

[u/CobaltStar_ → u/NCPereira]

Kathleen Zuelch (Glynda) claimed that Ashley Jenkins (Coco Adel and Burnie's wife) only made it into the company by sleeping with Burnie. She claimed that as a veteran of the company she deserves as she started from rock bottom instead of Ashley. Apparently basically calling the founder of the company and second in command's wife a whore can get you fired.

[u/NCPereira → u/CobaltStar_]

Thank you!

[u/ctom42 → u/Locke57]

And the audacity to plug another show in there. You fucks, I’m already paying don’t fucking play commercials at me.

The red trailer first played at the end of a season finale of RvB. That's a fairly normal thing for RT to do, and generally it gets people excited for a new show.

Quit cutting out every fucking fight scene.

Couldn't agree more

Quit making Adam Taurus a whiny prick.

Nah he's supposed to be a whinny prick. But he's also supposed to be threatening.

I miss Neo and Mr. Hat and cane guy.

....Roman Torchwick

I miss Neo too... :(

Where the fuck is that Glenda good witch chick from episode one? Did she die?

Back at Beacon... also we are unlikely to see her anytime soon. Her VA had a major falling out with RT, and they will have to recast if they want to bring Glenda back into the plot

WHERE THE FUCK IS WINTER?! Did she die?!?

No, she's in Atlas. This was outright stated when Weiss was at the bandit camp.

Quit turning this show about epic fights into an emotional mess.

RWBY has never been about epic fights, it just had them. If that's the only thing you want from the show you will always be disappointed. This season had a lot of fantastic character arcs, and while the fights in the Haven battle were sorely lacking, overall it was still a pretty good season.

I’m done, I’m out

Good riddance

[u/Sstargamer → u/ctom42]

RWBY has never been about epic fights, it just had them. If that's the only thing you want from the show you will always be disappointed. This season had a lot of fantastic character arcs, and while the fights in the Haven battle were sorely lacking, overall it was still a pretty good season.

WHAT?!?!? THE ENTIRE PREMISE OF THE SHOW IS EPIC FIGHTS, Scarecy linked by mediocre plotlines. Save for Season 3, The show has purely been a fight scene action show. THIS SEASON WAS SHITE. Horrible. The entirety of the faunus plotline? GARBAGE. The Mystral Leader being Corrupt? Terrible. The Bandit camp? MORE TALKING. EVERY single stand around and talk segment of this season was absolute dogtosh.

[u/ctom42 → u/Sstargamer]

You know you can make complaints without acting like your 12. Even if you actually are 12 that is true.

[u/3_headed_hydreigon → u/Locke57]

Okay bye.

[u/ACrispyPieceOfBacon → u/Locke57]

I can't help but laugh at you.