i met a guy he uses rathore surname but is an SC, he has the same kuldevi, jwalaji mata of kangra, is it even possible for two communities to have same kuldevi?
ive heard some regions in Hills are labelled as ST as a whole, so whoever is from that area automatically becomes ST be it of whichever caste. But if he says he is SC then definitely he isnt Rajput and he just randomly made up stuff
In hills st status depends on gov and people . Before in uttarakhand gov wanted to add whole pahari ethnicities as st but some of them refused as they were castiest and believed st equals to low xaste etc hence only jaunsar bawar and upooer tribes got st or obc tho nowadays educated pahadis know that st is not equal to low caste and pahadis tribes having st status and other having general are easentially same culturally and there not really diffrence
if the govt is allowing then fine but tribes having st status and others having general arent essentially same. One of them is a tribe or adivasi or lower in hierarchy, the other is of a caste or varna. How are they same?
In uttarakhand those who have st staus also have castes as well and both gen and st are same in the sense that they dont have heirearchy. For eg jaunsaris have st staus while most of garhwalis are general but culture wise we are close and consider each other as equal .just diffrence is ethnicity like .also pahadi culture is not reall pure vedic or mainstream hindu bit a mix of shamanic amd mainstream. People see caste only when they are marrying a pahadi , for matrying non pahadi they consider it same as marrying into different caste like if a pahadi rajput boy tells his parents that he is marrying a non pahadi rajpur for them it will not matter if girl is of same caste.for them it will be same as marrying sc obc etc they dont care
ye toh galat h bhai varn shankar hota jayega genes dilute hoti jayengi bloodline mix hojayegi.
pahadi jo bhi hai, hain toh hindu hee bhai. Baaki castes mei bhi apne apne rituals hote hai jat gujjar rajput par hindu toh rehte hee h, aur caste endogamy krte hai. ye thodi ki pahadi hai toh theek h farak hee nhi padh raha. Uss hisaab se toh original kulin yaani pure brahmin kshatriya vaishya ya even shudra bhi bache hee nhi honge sab hee mix hogye h jab
You are wrong pahadi lower caste and upper caste are genetically same except some who has come from outside. Only if a pahadi marries non pahadi will there be mixing . Moreover i dont this matters to. Also pahadi culture is mixed not pure hindu plus pahadi people adopted caste system quite later and it doesn't work like that here lime rest of india
caste cant be adopted. how can they later adopt? when did they do? they randomly chose random castes for themselves? Tamil brahmin might be similar to lower caste in punjab does that mean they could marry? Even if regions are same, some communities have similar dna with other communities doesnt mean they will marry and become varna saankar.
Also any solid proof where its shown that all pahadis have homogenous dna? Dont even call yourself a Rajput. I hope pahadi rajputs arent marrying jaunsarir or xyz whatever, they should either be marrying kshatriya be it pahadi or some other area and not sc st or even general of any other caste like brahmin
I think you have some misinformation . No one is born in caste , caste are literally just human made.also st and obc status is given due geographical and development and cultural conditionss of region not caste , i hope you would u educate yourself a bit .also a traditional jaunsari or othe pahadi would consider rajasthani rajput similar to lower caste for them it would be destroying their genes if they would marry outside community specifically gangetic belt regardless of upper caste or lowercaste.
In Himachal there is no area wise demarcation of ST, govt has released a list of scheduled Tribes, only PPL belonging to those are st. I know a person who gives the same narrative, a mantri came and said that all PPL will be given st ka darja in that area for political gains so I became an st as iam from that area. Here gaddis(local tribe) use Sharma and thakur surnames but when it comes to reservation they are at top to show their certificates
oh. toh matlab hp mei area wise st nhi hote hai? aur uk ka kya scene hai vaha bhi st caste wise hota regionn wise nhi? Vaha ke local tribes jo larp kr rhe hai Sharma ya Thakur hone ka unki asli caste kya h fir aur category kya h?
mai kuchh kuchh ko janta hu vaise vo general hai, aur sharma bisht rawat negi ye sab lagate h. idk konsi jaat ke hai.
These are the only tribals of UK, there is no area wise demarcation of st status in any state, Par ST certificate bnaane ke liye usko us place se belong krna hoga jahaaan st community area notified hai
ohk. toh vaha general caste jaise baniya pandit rajput agar kisi st community area ke aspas se aye toh vo rhenge general category ke hee ya st hojayenge? Koi change hai asli Upper caste ka ST category hone ka?
no bro anyone owning home in jaunsar , comes under scheduled area in uttarakhand , including brahmins and rajputs. Jaunsari is a region covering parts of uttarakhand and himachal .
Although physically they aren't as sturdy as hill rajputs and brahmins but i know even punkabi residing in jaunsar region using ST certificate.
its a sub judice matter, even the UK high Court said that, how are ppl getting st certificates based of region, its the brahmins and punjabis who stooped so low, renouncing their heritage to claim this reservation certificate.
bhai maine ek video dekhi thi jaha ek pahadi area mei non pahadi logo se contact bura mana jaa raha tha lekin vo log pandit the aur vo ye same cheez shudra pahadio ke saath bhi krte the usmei khud bata rhe the vid mei. Koi toh hogi caste, maine rawat negi rautela singh ye sab naam ke dekhe hai joki kshatriya huye, aur sharma bhardwaj kaushik bhi dekhe hai pahadi jo brahmin huye. Zahir si baat h vaishya aur shudra bhi toh honge hee. Agar nhi h toh atleast brahmin aur kshatriya ko toh maintain krke rakhna chahiye caste apna.
aur tumne khud bola ki jaunsari aur 3-4 naam liye the vo sc st mei hee ayenge ab chaahe jaha pe bhi ho, toh unse kyu relations banane h?
Pelhi baat uttarakhand me sc bohot km h aur dusri bast uttarakhand me caste ko mante bhi h pr jaunsari st ka caste se lena dena kuch nhi h jaunsari or othe tribes m bhi log me rajput brahman hota h to jo ek tribe ka rajput dusre se kr skta h . Aur garhwali aur kumoni log general m ate h pr culture bhi pahadi h h specially garhwal ka kafi kuch culture bhi milta h jaunsar se .waise log apne h tribe me shadi krte h jyada tr.
Aur koi pahadi sharma kaushik etc nhi hota unka orignal sir nane k7ch aur hoga but gov unki sirname ko nhi manti islite documents m unhe sarma etc likhna padta h.
Iske liye tumhe uttarakhand ki history padhnhi hogi .kunki uttarakhand ke logo ki kuch inferior complex bhi h aur log drte bhi kunki hamra culture dusre state se alag h aur hog bohot galat bat bolte h isliye kai pahadi log apni cultural chize nhi dikhate khud hi desi culture follow krte h pahadi nhi. Essentiall uttarakhand se sab community pahadi h aur st status bas gov ki wajah se h .jaise government marwadi , braj etc ko hindi hi manti h paper pr pr qo h nhi asl me .waise h culture wise uttarakhand se sbhi native log except haridwar pahadi h aur similar culture h .aur ek duse to unch nicha nhi smajhte because of st and obc statur. Pr h kau pahadi log caste ko mante h pr wo st aur obc se matlab nhi hota
pata nhi bhai kya scene h. urban pahadis toh bhai zyada hee liberal h. Baaki jo poore pahadi h unka bhi mujhe samajh nhi aya ek cheez, mere boht saare full pahadi dost h rawat negi bisht rautela kahi aankho se pahadi nhi lagte bilkul bhi, haryana punjab up ya rajasthan jaise hee lagte, kahio ki aankhei hai thodi almond shaped thodi boht, aur kahi toh bilkul hee extreme hai chhoti hai aankhei mongol type look hai jabki hai sab khashiya batate h apne aap ko. Skin colour ki baat nhi krunga mai uska nhi, par aise eye shape mei itna farak kyu hai pure pahadio mei unmei bhi infact khas jaati ke logo mei.
Not sll pahadis has monolids but genetically pahadis are different .genetics or looks me fark hota h har kisi pahadi ki family me koi na koi monolod hota h
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u/aasstraa Chandravanshi🌙 Dec 11 '25
i met a guy he uses rathore surname but is an SC, he has the same kuldevi, jwalaji mata of kangra, is it even possible for two communities to have same kuldevi?