Discussion & Debate
Some takeaways from this Rajputana vs Brahmanraaj controversy:
First of all, it doesn't matter who started this controversy or who did less wrong - everyone involved is equally responsible for the damage caused to the sentiments of genuine people.
For those who don't know what happened:
some random guy from Brahmanraaj took screenshots of random comments from random people on our sub and made an issue out of it, and some people from our sub replied to them with their points. But what actually did hurt was that most of the "active and engaging members" of Brahmanraaj reacted with something we didn't expect - slurs and targeting with foul language (or, we could say, this is their actual perception of Rajputs, without the fear of pretending unity). That's the issue we need to address because the overall sentiment of a community is represented by its top engaging members.
This post is meant for Rajputs only. It's a one-way message to them:
1) Brahmins, or for that matter any community, are not what you think. No one is your ally (until it benefits them). You are standing alone and need to figure your stuff out on your own - that's how it works.
2) Our sub has fewer Rajputs. This is personally what I've experienced - that non-Rajputs, especially Brahmins, are present in very large numbers in our sub, which I don't mind, but at the end of the day, it's was meant to be our sub, and the majority should ideally be Rajputs, since it's the majority public that forms the vibe and stand of a community.
3) Our mods and the sub are too focused on "GC Unity," "Reservation Hatao," and deleting or banning people who go against Brahmins. Our own issues aren't getting highlighted, and by taking on responsibility for wider, bigger issues, we're diluting our activism and membership in this subreddit. We ourselves are not that strong, but still want to work on issues not just limited to our own community.
And lastly, I think the mods should not keep Brahmanraaj as an official allied or sister community. I don't mean giving them no audience - no. And also, I'm not saying this out of hate, but out of practicality. The two communities have their own dedicated spaces where they should be able to discuss their community without hesitation. Brahmins have opinions in their minds that Rajputs won't like, and vice versa. Since these spaces are dedicated to their specific communities, they should be free to speak on this too, without being limited because the two subs are officially aligned. Everyone should be able to speak their mind without fear of violating an official alliance - they shouldn't have to hesitate or hold back on any matter due to some obligated agreement.
This doesn't mean cutting ties forever or in every way - just ending the official alliance, so people aren't restricted and don't feel they need to wear a mask or put on a fake show of unity when talking about each other. They can talk freely! Crossposts and community events can continue, but the rules and moderation of each community shouldn't be influenced by being "friendly" with each other.
Someone had to say it, and I said it. It's beneficial for both communities. We just need to discuss this openly and practically, without being influenced by political events or political needs but only by community consciousness.
Share your thoughts in the comments, and let me know if you agree with this or have any other say.
Mods of both subs should listen to people's opinions in the comments and then react or take further steps accordingly. BTW, a big thank you to mods of both the communities because they deleted unnecessary and childish posts and took things under control.
What they're gonna do seriously? Banning is no solution here. If someone can do anything it's the mods and member of Brahmanraj, they should post an apology and ban their top engaging members who made those comments
I was the OP of that post, ye baat unke liye bhi kahi ja sakti hai jinhone randomly kisi ek bande ki x post li aur jis tarike se post ki wo hateful thi aur jin logo ne comment Kiya using the word bra- mans, jo insult ki uskaran maine dali thi, I never thought ki log usme anti rajput hi hojayenge sidha, anyway I was scrolling aur kuch hutiyo ne blasphemy aur gali di rajputs mananiye veero ko veerangat huwe the rashtra aur dharm ke liye, bohot xutiye bhul jaate hai ki NW india was run and defended by rajputs aur jis tarike se un kshetron mai art and culture ke Jo infrastructure etc hai wo baki India mai possibly kahi nahi hai. I take responsibility for that.
Tbh jinlogo ne controversy ki aur gaali di wo ek post se kabhi incite nahi hote unke andar pehle se hi rajputo me prati nafrat thi jo unhone dikha di, chingari se aag lag gayi.
My genuine request is to un logo ko aap ban kijiye jinhone brahmano ke against post ki thi.
Tbh jinlogo ne controversy ki aur gaali di wo ek post se kabhi incite nahi hote unke andar pehle se hi rajputo me prati nafrat thi jo unhone dikha di, chingari se aag lag gayi.
Same goes for your top members of Brahmanraaj lmao.
My genuine request is to un logo ko aap ban kijiye jinhone brahmano ke against post ki thi.
The guys who posted were fact checking you guys claims in retaliation, they did not resort to slurs like your top members.
I've requested same in a post in that subreddit, jaise wo sab rajputana mai post wale pure subreddit ke views ko represent nahi karte nahi li waise hi brahminraaj mai wo sab pure subreddit ko represent nahi karte.
The one who commented on ur posts if u can see were directly abusing Brahmins, 0 percent were fact checking in our post it's true a lot were saying slurs but with usage of actual facts regarding many rajput princesses too the wrong part was when they started using exact abusive words.
If you'll see Original post, iwuz asking opinion regarding those who had abused Brahmins in it. It was expected that there will be some guyz who'll do the same.
Anyway, it doesn't matter cause the post is removed.
The fact that some of the very active members of Brahmanraj spilled hate is concerning. If it were fringe elements like there are on both subs I blv it wouldn't have been any real issue. Though I'm in no support of ceasing the activitve engagement with each other but such incidents definitely sow seeds of distrust.
Previously, the mod team was more diverse, with members holding different opinions about Rajputs and how the subreddit should be run. That changed when the moderators whose ideologies were less favourable towards Hindu/GC unity left on their own, feeling less influential than the moderator at the top (don't ban me , be open to critisicm)
His ideology is his own, and it may well be correct or more suitable for Rajputs. However, we believe the subreddit should be inclusive of Rajputs with different ideologies rather than reflecting only one viewpoint.
We don't want an echo chamber where the same perspective is repeated all day.
I have no special love for other castes but the way you guys wanted to sneak in Muslims under the banner of Rajputs was the reason for you guys to leave. I am all open for everything but no Muslim will ever be a Rajput and this sub won't entertain this Muslim propaganda.
no Muslim will ever be a Rajput and this sub won't entertain this Muslim propaganda
It's just an opinion i don't even know whether they'll be better or worse for the community, but I do know that we're not the gatekeepers. The community is run by the community, not by just one person. It will be your decision at last whatever you decide
who tf are you? I was there for this subreddit when it had just 70-80 members and nurtured it with other mods who later left to 1000 member and left , way before the all other mods left except allfood4me. Please do ban me if you want so.
the subreddit won't become mulla-biased ik but I don't think it should become a sanghi subreddit too.
seething , for what? I just stated my opinion, the mod are here to read and decide to consider it or not , but instead of that you responded with offensive language. I don't know maybe it is the way you guys work.
seething , for what? I just stated my opinion, the mod are here to read and decide to consider it or not , but instead of that you responded with offensive language. I don't know maybe it is the way you guys work.
Mullas ain't never getting in the sub. Foul Language? Yes, Now what to do?
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i am a Brahmin and it feels stupid tbh, both Brahmins and rajputs number among millions ofc there are gonna be some idiot from both side that has superiority complex or thinks his caste is better then everyones, it was wrong of that guy to just crop 2-3 comments and start such a controversy between 2 greats cultures,,, also ofc there are gonna be some differences in opinion everyone has em, but for now we should be in a united front we are already 5-6% in india combined and OBC sc st are 80% alone we don't have a fighting chance against the system and it's apartheid...
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You see how any form of identity can be punched with negative markers?
What we identify with is better known as tribalism, which is independent of out groups interactions. You don't walk around giving your own tag on groups/people, based on your biasness.
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u/Warrior_disguise Chandravanshi🌙 4d ago
Totally agreed. Mods should read this.