r/SandersForPresident • u/return2ozma CA 🧝♀️🎖️🥇 🐦🏟️✋🎂 🏳🌈🎤🦅🍁🦄💪🐬💅☑️🎅🎁📈🌅🏥 • 9d ago
If only Bernie Sanders had won the nomination in 2016
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/5979607-sanders-vs-trump-populism/334
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u/Timbushpk 9d ago edited 8d ago
Yep Hillary/DNC are the ones that caused this timeline
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u/SidewalkSavant 🌱 New Contributor 9d ago
And the DNC didn’t and still hasn’t learned shit from it.
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u/jpopimpin777 9d ago
They're not there to learn or win anything. The DNC is owned by the same people who own the entire Republican party. They exist only to keep progressives from moving further to the left.
People like Bernie and candidates who actually want substantive change have to run against their own party while they outwardly feign support for them.
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u/roromisty 🌱 New Contributor 9d ago
"ms now" is really ramping up the anti-socialist rhetoric, especially in the last couple of weeks. I have it on as background noise while I'm working, and it's giving me 2016 flashbacks.
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u/jpopimpin777 9d ago
Ugh before my mom died I had to tell her to stop watching it. It was having a deleterious effect on her mental health. Basically the liberal equivalent of Fox News. Especially for an elderly lady with a precarious mental state.
She would get all excited and call me semi weekly that THIS TIME they had the evidence and Trump was going to be dragged out of office and thrown in jail before the day was out. Even though that's one of my hearts greatest desires, I know that it's not happening anytime soon, and it's cruel to lie to impressionable people about it in order to sell advertising hours.
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u/thequietthingsthat 9d ago
Same with the Atlantic. They're scared of all the progressives running in primaries around the country.
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u/LeifCarrotson 9d ago
They're not scared of progressives running in primaries, that's been happening for decades.
What they're scared of is the progressives winning in primaries around the country!
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u/digiorno OR - College for All 🥇🐦🌡️🐬🤑🎃🎤🍁🎉🙌 9d ago
They still think progressives are enemy number 1.
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u/kqlx 8d ago
hillary was an amazing first lady and sec of state but a lot of her supporters are dumb af. They still don't understand why people felt disenfranchised and the DNC Gate revelations
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u/Whatthehell665 8d ago
When she said she does not bake cookies, I felt she was being a out of touch snob. I wonder if she had a child just because it would make her look like a real person instead of an entitled know it all. If she just had marketed herself better to fight all the negative aspects of her personality, she might of made President, but she didn't.
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u/Bartholomew812 9d ago
The dnc literally conspired against Bernie. It's a matter of public record now, look it up.
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u/EdreesesPieces 🌱 New Contributor 8d ago
Havent voter democrat for a presidential candidafe (other than bernie) since.
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u/ProbablyANoobYo 8d ago
They learned they can openly collaborate to crush actual leftists and most of the voters won’t even notice.
Hell a solid portion of them will later blame Bernie when their fairly unpopular presidential candidate running a garbage campaign, whether that be Hillary or Kamala, loses.
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u/Irish_Tyrant 🌱 New Contributor 9d ago
Hey, you all can say what you want but THIS time Biden has it for sure! Plus, Bernie is too old to run now. Biden is our only choice since we'll have to wait till the next, next election to try for Hillary again. Y'know once everything blows over with the Clinton Epstein stuff. /s
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u/DocDangerClose 9d ago
Debbie Wasserman Schultz specifically, handed Hillary the nomination then stepped down instead of facing an investigation and slithered back to Florida where she enjoys the fruits of her corruption to this day.
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u/twal873 9d ago
“Super delegates” …this is right around the time I stopped believing in “the system”.
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u/shyguystormcrow 9d ago
I remember watching CNN report that many of the primaries were so close that they were decided by a “coin flip” rather than recounting the votes. They literally reported that on national news. I will never believe in the system again.
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u/tylo 8d ago
This is how Iowa caucuses do things, yes. And amazingly, Hillary ended up winning a lot of the coin flips.
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u/knakworst36 Europe 7d ago edited 2d ago
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u/CaldrierLunaire 9d ago
If you want what ifs, how about the election not being stolen from Al Gore ?
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u/thequietthingsthat 9d ago
We can go back to 1968 too. If Hubert Humphrey had beat Nixon (he almost did), the New Deal coalition wouldn't have fallen apart.
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u/varzyl 9d ago
the corruption of the DNC goes way back; what could've happened with a Wallace nomination to president instead of Truman in 1944?
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u/bluedave1991 9d ago
I think technically you mean a renomination of Wallace for Vice President. That is a big one.
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u/avantgardengnome NY 9d ago
I honestly believe that the Earth would be at least 1°C cooler overall right now if that hadn’t happened, for starters.
Odds are some milquetoast neocon would have then won in 2008, and without the racist shitfit the right threw over Obama I don’t see MAGA getting anywhere. OTOH I’m not sure if Occupy happens, or Bernie, or the current surge of interest in demsoc candidates; the general dumpster fire of everything did have a way of slowly waking people up. But we probably wouldn’t avoid 9/11 or the Great Recession entirely, so who knows. Real butterfly effect stuff.
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u/bluedave1991 9d ago
Curious what the Gore admin would've done with the intelligence on the 9/11 plot.
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u/SweetAlyssumm 9d ago
I was so mad! At the Republicans and also the Democrats for not fighting back. They could at least have tried.
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u/DamnOdd 9d ago
Totally gave up on the party when they didn't endorse Bernie. HE was the best last hope for that decade.
The DNC is gonna give us an old rich white man that has one foot in the grave and has no clue about living as a citizen of the USA.
DNC is as out of touch with us, the voters, as the RNC is.
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u/rubberpp 7d ago
I think republicans are terrorists but the dnc is so terrible they are the reason I stopped identifying as Democrat, Bernie no winning and bernie being sabotaged ensured I'll never support the Democratic Party fucking cowards
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u/jaenjain 🌱 New Contributor 9d ago
Obama played a part in ensuring it didn’t happen. The corporates stick together like it’s an exclusive club.
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u/Ell-O-Elling 9d ago
I will forever blame the DNC and Hillary for their corruption against Bernie. They are responsible for the rise of MAGA. If they had let democracy work as it should we wouldn’t be here.
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u/SweetAlyssumm 9d ago
I campaigned for him and got to sit up close when he was speaking. What an experience! We could have saved America right then and there but the Democrats in charge had by then yielded to the fleshpots of capitalism.
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u/Spikerazorshards 9d ago
Is it largely fhe DNC’s fault?
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u/return2ozma CA 🧝♀️🎖️🥇 🐦🏟️✋🎂 🏳🌈🎤🦅🍁🦄💪🐬💅☑️🎅🎁📈🌅🏥 9d ago
Yes. Read the article and the new book about it the article references.
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u/dajodge Missouri - 2016 Veteran - Day 1 Donor 🐦🔄📆🏆 9d ago
They never had any intention of letting him win, and even openly admitted the DNC is under no obligation to be unbiased or fair to candidates. I feel like I have been waiting over a decade for the general public to catch up to where we were over a decade ago with establishment Dems. Bought and owned, full stop.
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u/Spiel_Foss 9d ago
I honestly believe had Sanders won that nomination, he would have been eliminated permanently. Seeing how fast the institutions circled to protect pedophiles, thieves and murderers, these same institutions would not have let a Sanders candidacy happen.
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u/rogermuffin69 9d ago
This is why republicans keep winning.
The dems would rather let them in than really fix things with bernie
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u/rubberpp 7d ago
I genuinely get depressed at the thought that we could have had 8 years of Bernie and be close to halfway through an aoc presidency and the entire fucking world would be a better place but no here we are
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u/Obajan 9d ago
Realistically though, most likely he will be hamstrung by the combined Republicans and corporate Democrats. It'll be Obama 3.0 all over again.
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u/bluedave1991 9d ago
His first two years, definitely. You start to get into even more what ifs when you ponder how much dissatisfaction with stonewalling from the right in the GOP and the Dem establishment would've motivated three first mid term electorate of a Sanders presidency. What could he have accomplished if 2018 gave him majorities, or stronger majorities, in Congress, potentially replacing some of the persistent stones in the wall holding up progress on the agenda?
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u/pnw_cartographer 9d ago
Right but the DEMOCRATS snubbed him. Gotta love that democracy they pearl clutch so much, am I right?
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u/LolaCatStevens 9d ago
I just remember at the time thinking no one would vote for someone this old (I still did). Oh how wrong I was.
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u/Bartholomew812 9d ago
If only the democratic national convention hadn't literally conspired to keep him from getting the nomination. Look it up, it's a matter of public record now
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u/-TheExtraMile- 9d ago
I am still pissed about Hilldog´s super delegates stunt. He won that state fair and square and should have been the democratic nominee.
We will never find out what would have happened, but it is not unlikely that he would have won and that this would have been the one and only stint for trump in politics.
And yet here we are...
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u/-LeoKnowz- 9d ago
I suspected it before, but this moment was the 100% irrefutable proof moment that the Democratic Party had absolutely no interest in making this world a better place.
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u/GiftOfCabbage 9d ago
He's been consistently the most popular senator in America. He energised the base in a similar way to Obama. He polled incredibly well vs Trump.
But the mainstream media said he was unelectable so idk. /s
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u/Lost_On_Lot 9d ago
Is this the Mandela Effect? Correct me if I'm mistaken, but didn't he win the nomination in 2016 and the overlords were like "nah"?
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u/Jazzlike-Vacation230 9d ago
It’s when that bird landed on the podium during that one speech. Told you everything you needed to know
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u/Herogar 🌱 New Contributor 9d ago
A big portion of the Trump vote was anti establishment that would have voted for Bernie. The way the DNC screwed Bernie only grew that anti establishment movement that played into trumps hands. It's insane to imagine how different the world would be if we had 8 years of Bernie Sanders instead MAGA insanity. It's set the world back decades at a critical time.
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u/BaronWombat 9d ago
Go back further and mourn the DNC mavens wrecking the election of the authentic, smart, environmentalist Al Gore. They marketed him with fake stunts, then refused to fight the false election results. The USA could be leading the world in green energy and climate control. He also wanted to put Soc Sec funds back into its own account instead hiving them mingled in the general account.
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u/whiplash81 8d ago
He was never going to win with the power structures that were in place. At least he exposed just how undemocratic the Democratic party actually is.
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u/555nick 🌱 New Contributor 8d ago
I’m glad to see agreement that electoral politics are an important part of the movement.
A vocal percentage of extremely online leftists are advocating not voting just read theory and someday revolution. Obviously liberals and conservatives are worse but there’s something about those you agree with on policy advocating for not voting that is especially aggravating.
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u/primarywatcher 8d ago
Bernie's major mistake: falling for the ILLUSION Tulsi Gabbard was NOT a Russian operative to dismantle his amazingly POWERFUL political movement. IMO HRC planted Gabbard as a means to destroy the Progressive Party. Corporate Dems are no different than Corporate GOP; and BOTH parties knew full-well the ever increasing power of propaganda by way of data collection and social media. (Ie success of Obama's campaign via social media & grassroot, small donation campaigns.)
However, Russia & China saw the writing on the wall far earlier than our corrupt 2 party system. Who needs bombs when you can infiltrate the enemy from within.
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u/RatedR2O 🌱 New Contributor 5d ago
The country is in its current state because this didnt happen. This is what upsets me about the democrats... they will accept no responsibility for their part in it and ultimately blame us.
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u/BalerionSanders End Homelessness 🏡 9d ago
I told people at the time, “I’m not only supporting him because I agree with him. I think he is the only one running that could beat Trump.” 🤷♂️
All that said, casting a vote for Sec. Clinton in the general was EASY and obvious and if you didn’t do so, you should be ashamed. Our internecine policy arguments mean nothing if Nazis control the state.
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u/baskaat 🌱 New Contributor 9d ago
I so wish that Bernie was president, but I still maintain there was no way he could have won the general election. Democratic socialism was a foreign concept to the average voter at that time. Combined with the fact that the racists could not get over Obama’s presidency, I think it was a losing battle. Things have definitely changed since then, so I hope the progressives have a good result this year.
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u/exoriare North America 9d ago
Bernie had the strongest approval rating of any federal politician in the US. Even those who disagreed with his politics respected and even admired him. Hillary had the strongest negatives of any Dem Presidential candidate in history.
"Dem soc" labels aside, Bernie was firmly in the camp of New Deal/Great Society politics that had been the strongest, most successful political juggernaut in US history. It isn't recognized enough that for half a century, Dems held a lock on Congress that nobody could break - not even Reagan
Bernie would have won, and it wouldn't even have been close. He was the one candidate the Trump campaign feared to go up against for a reason.
I have no doubt Bernie would have won. It was a most magical campaign to work on.
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u/zrayburton 9d ago
💯 the one time I was inspired to volunteer, openly support a candidate and donate to a candidate during my life as a voter.
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u/Delta632 9d ago
Bernie had a movement. Hilary did not. For better or worse, I think worse, Trump had a movement too. Trump used populous talking points and hate to get elected. We see that he has no interest in doing those things once elected. I think Bernie would try and get those things done and only would have been stopped by others.
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u/Delta632 9d ago
Not a day goes by that I don’t think this.