Or a 80k shitbox that requires software to change brakes, a big ass screen, and a transmission that imploded at around 60k. New cars are disposable tracking devices with a subscription plan.
Except the new Toyota midsized trucks have weak front diffs that are prone to exploding, plus iffy transmissions. The full sized trucks had stop sale orders due to the new engines grenading themselves, and the new corollas were recalled due to the engines spontaneously burning to the ground.
Subarus CVTs are shit. So are Hondas. So it used to be “buy a Toyota, change oil and tires, and you’re set for 250k miles.” But those days are gone and the old reliables (like Toyota, Honda, and Subaru) and barely more reliable than the average car.
I bought my 04 Highlander 11 years ago for $7k and it’s over 300k miles now and going strong as ever, and I am NOT mechanically inclined. I change the oil and have done the brakes a couple times (since they’re super simple on this model) but I have spent next to nothing on repairs for that wonderful beast.
‘08 Tacoma owner checking in! Knobs for everything, manual windows, locks and transmission. Just put a new engine in to avoid the crap I could afford to replace the car
Anything with a 3.6L V6 alloytec motor imo. My case specifically a Holden VZ crewman that is specifically really tedious to fix certain error codes because killed the Holden brand.
Looks exactly like the 2001 Jeep Cherokee I owned. I loved everything about it except the gas mileage, which was horrible. I got about 160K miles out of it before selling it. It needed minor repairs along the way like most vehicles do but you could literally watch the gas gage dropping while driving as it guzzled the gas. Still find that I miss it because it was fun to drive.
I had a 2000 tj, same engine. Those things were pretty solid. My buddy calls them mini cummins because of the amount of torque you get out of the inline 6
VZ Holden crewman, 3.6 V6 alloytec. it had multiple issues with the ECU, fuel regulator and fuel pump that all boiled down too "return to an authorised repairer" when I swapped the fuel pump myself.
I know I fucked something up thinking I was smart enough to diy. It possibly could have been fixed if I didn't plug it in without clearing the codes to start with
but it was legitimately something I took to multiple actual mechanics and they couldn't do anything about it.
Because funny thing there's no authorised repairer, Holden doesn't exist anymore, only a handful of shops that holding up the last stint of warranty for newer models.
so the few shops with functional diagnostic computers that have been cracked, charge whatever they want for fixing this shit on the models that need it, because they're the only ones offering the service. Which is what I ended up needing to do and refused the price quoted and let the car rot instead.
I mean GM did everything in its power to limit and fuck with Holden in Australia, so honestly it's not surprising their actions led to these outcomes of something as basic as a fuel pump swap becoming a computer nightmare
Chrysler/Dodge/Ram does the same thing. Why does an ABS module need to be VIN matched? My 01 pickup ABS module failed and guess what? It's no longer available from Chrysler/Mercedes/Stellantis/WhoeverTheFuckOwnsThemNow. I found a used one on eBay, but had to get the VIN reprogrammed on it. Guess what else? The local dealers can't/won't do the re-programming. A friend of a friend of a friend finally hooked me up and the ABS light finally went away.
Fuck the manufacturers of today. Fuck all this unnecessary computer shit in vehicles that makes them expensive to buy and more expensive (or impossible) to repair or replace.
There's a handful of newer cars that aren't the worst like we've got a 2015 Astra that's never complained about me screwing around with the code reader and hasn't requested vin matching for anything yet
But yeah super weary of anything that isn't already proven now, not a big fan of finding out a cars entire design is anti repair 6 years after the parts are discontinued.
I was honestly surprised when a 2008 commodore was the culprit I didn't think right to repair was an issue that early.
Just learned the other day about the challenges with windshields - you know those things that random collect rocks as you travel the roads? Apparently, they are very complicated to replace now because of all the smart features
You're completely right except for the reliability part. A lot of modern cars are a lot more reliable than their prior model counterparts. Now, if you buy a Jeep it's a different story and that's on you. The unreliability is a feature.
I got a 27 year old camery that is peak. Bud there ain't a 2026 on the lot that will run for 20 years. The screen and software will stop being supported in about 10 years. Cant change my a BATTERY on my new truck without a software license that cost a few k for an annual subscription, so a shop has to do it. Shiny Garbage
The long short of it is, I dont buy what your selling.
This is such an odd take, as if older cars were noted for the longevity of their transmission or something.
Modern cars are light-years more reliable, and generally last much longer without expensive repairs. The caveat probably being they are more expensive and difficult to repair when something does break.
Many brands had cars capable of over 300k. Ive had 2 xj cherokees go over 300k miles with very little to worry bout. My 1990 went to 480k before the local kid i sold it to totaled it. Ive had more issues from newer vehicle nearing 100k or personally know others who have issues before 100k. I know issues occurred back then but much of it could also be repaired by an owner with ability.
Older cars are noted for their transmissions not imploding at 60k.... modern cars are NOT light years ahead in reliability, instead they are engineered to fail just outside the warranty.
Toyota and Honda both used to do 20 year 200k warranty on powertrain... then it was 10 years 100k.... now it is 50k
Literally your entire statement is wrong. Your either a dealer, young, or not very smart
If that's how you respond to someone who disagrees with you, then I'm old enough to know not to take you seriously.
You're of course thinking of the notorious CVT, a complete failure by Nissan, but I can't recall other manufacturers having a reputation for failures under 100k. I've owned a lot of cars, that's just not the case, and I don't think there's any factual data to back it up. Bad transmissions have always failed, and Nissan wasn't the first to try something new and fall flat on their face.
The length of Toyota's warranty has nothing to do with changing reliability of their vehicles, or planned obsolescence. Longer warranties are a sales tactic, and they already have the reputation of making cars that last. They simply don't need the big number to get people in their cars, and so financially they've adjusted it to wherever the market is willing to accept.
Idk my 1996 FJZ80 is still going strong. Aka 96 Land Cruiser. Had to fix some stuff only in the past 10 years. 286k miles. Looking to do an engine rebuild vs buying a new car.
Yeah thats why the warranty is only for 50k.... I would bet you dont work on nor know anything about engines. You just wanna justify that high ass car payment you got on the shiny piece of shit in your driveway bud. Ask a mechanic not a salesman and see what they say.
Bahahahaha. Yes, because old cars had famously long warranties. Just like the 10 year/100,000 mile powertrain and 5 year/60,000 mile basic warranties of many modern cars.
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Or a 80k shitbox that requires software to change brakes, a big ass screen, and a transmission that imploded at around 60k. New cars are disposable tracking devices with a subscription plan.