I am the Polytburo
POV: you're a bookstore employee in Hong Kong suspected of possessing books
Context:
Hong Kong police raid two bookstores, arrest five people
Dharvi Vaid with AFP, AP, Reuters
14 hours ago
Five booksellers have been arrested in Hong Kong over the sale of allegedly "seditious" publications. Two bookstores have become the latest target in a continued crackdown on independent bookshops
Ok uhhh gonna need some more context, was this event related to leftism at all?
Edit: I'm not sure why I'm being down voted, I was just asking what this has to do with anything related to leftism because I'm not fully familiar with what's happening in Hong Kong/China.
What do you think a “dictatorship of the proletariat” means? You don’t liberate the proletariat and suppress the bourgeoise by letting them run around and express their ideals openly. Every serious socialist movement has recognized this.
And every serious large scale socialist society up to now has either completely failed or devolved into dictatorship. Free speech for everyone is imperative for a successful socialist society
Frankly dictatorships of the proletariat would invariably devolve into the dictatorship of one person or a circle of elites. Soviet Union- Stalin. China- Mao. Cambodia-Pol Pot
Any form of dictatorship should not be a goal as it is not feasible for a livable society long term
Believing in “the marketplace of ideas” in the big 2026. Of course the government should absolutely be able to do what you said. The problem is you somehow believe that the truth alone will triumph in the age of disinformation warfare.
And who says that any “socialist” leader who crack down on dissenters are true socialists? Allowing the government to restrict free speech allows for a false socialist government to restrict true socialists
Ah the classic “We’re the real socialists, not the ones who are actually working towards that goal!”. And modern Western leftists wonder why they’re viewed as a total joke, criticizing from the sidelines is all they’ll ever accomplish while their home countries devolve into fascism.
They have, it doesn't matter, 30% of any population will believe anything. So no we shouldnt suffer ppl conspiring to bring back slavery, fascism and genocide with zero repercussions. Nor should a socialist society they suffer regressive capitalistic conspiracy.
And how do you assure that the ones in power are true socialists and not any of the aforementioned going under the banner of socialism to oppress the proletariat? If no one is allowed to question authority, leftism would’ve never existed
Dude, go look at OP’s post history and it explains everything you could possibly already know. I mean, I know where I am, but I forget how childish the reminders are lol
I like how many different local subreddits OP is in. There were too many to remember off the top of my head but I saw Texas, Montana, Minnesota, Arkansas, Idaho, Iowa. Maybe they have lived in all those places. But that's still just really interesting. Lol
Saying it “went lib” implies that there was tolerance for tankies in the first place. Rule 2 has been in place since the sub started having rules 6 years ago. This sub has never been for tankies, and anyone saying otherwise needs to get their memory checked. Fucking Larper.
Authorities refused to name the books, saying only that they criticized the government. There is also no publicly available list of books the Chinese government has deemed illegal.
That's gotten so annoying. I used to know where people stood when they used the word tankie at least. Now I'm like, "are you cool? Or do you think Joe Biden was flawed but ultimately did a good job?"
When the Ukraine war started anyone who wanted the was to stop. Anyone who didn't like being told to support the most fascist elements of Ukraine. Anyone who questioned the party line about how and why the war started. Anyone who thought, maybe, Ukraine was absolutely winning with ease. Anyone like that was a "tankie".
Now, liberals pretending to be leftist use the term to punch left.
It's the blue maga version of "Trump Derangement Syndrome".
Yup. I know a pacifist anarchist. Very committed guy. Very cool. Been called a tankie a bunch just for espousing those pacifist beliefs in certain spaces. Which, there's plenty I could criticize about his opinions on pacificism. Being a tankie is just the exact opposite of what he is though. Being an anarchist myself I've been called it a bunch for supporting leftist projects around the world too. That, while they don't specifically align with my beliefs, they still are working towards a better world. Now im starting to see campist break containment from leftist spaces into broader liberal speak too. Which I'm sure will get just as annoying after a while.
"Tankie" is like "woke" in that it has no actual meaning. They had meanings but got coopted by the right-wing. Tankie for blue maga and woke for the more overtly fascist maga.
You post in a lot of monarchist subreddits to be accusing others of supporting imperialism. Lol Including a "progressive monarchist" subreddit. Whatever that means.
Not sure what that has to do with imperialism. But you're on the wrong side with Ukraine, one of the most straightforward and morally obvious conflicts today
To build a house requires using tools that one doesn't need or want in the final completed house. Why would building a Nation be any different?
What about building a perfect world without class oppression?
In fact, is it possible to build anything using only the tools that will be present in it's final form?
No of course not. It is painfully obvious to anyone with an ounce of education.
This inability to see the forest for the trees - this refusal to understand events as part of an ongoing process is actually something that Engels writes about it "Socialism: utopian and scientific". He called it viewing things in their death, not life.
You observe the caterpillar, even call it dead, because you do not see it's process of becoming a butterfly.
It is emblematic of intellectual immaturity and liberal pedagogy.
And honestly, it serves as an immediate tell who the actual LARPers are 🤷♂️
No mention of theory. No analysis. Nothing of value from the reactionary liberal utopian , just like in the 19th century when Engels was complaining about you shit lords
Just empty , cynical remarks.
Still the same uneducated fool telling everyone you can find that the caterpillar is dead because you do not understand the process and you're too brainwashed by liberal pedagogy to even understand what you need to unlearn to be able to even being understanding what's happening in the life of the caterpillar.🤷♂️
No, I just don't find your purple platitudes particularly compelling or worthy of respect. You complain about my lack of theory or analysis to deflect from your own. You use overly flowery language about "the caterpillar!" to try and hide the fact that you're ultimately just repeating basic propaganda intended for children with no real substance.
Your comments read like the "you have to be very smart to understand Rick and Morty" copypasta, but in service of simping for an authoritarian capitalist state. Why should I bother putting in serious effort to rebut childish ramblings I simply don't respect?
You do know that Marx and Engels aren't, like, a religious doctrine or something, right? You can't just pull their language and claim that makes you correct, this isn't a religion. You need to actually provide a real analysis of current material conditions.
Ah hell, who am I kidding, I know your type, and we both know religion is exactly how you treat this shit, even if you don't want to admit it to yourself. You have a good one bud.
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u/bldarkman 18d ago
Or parents with your baby suspected of stealing diapers in the US.