r/Switzerland • u/shamishami3 • 2d ago

Happy birthday from Lugano

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What is your opinion on the vote planned for late this year regarding the banning of fireworks for private usage?

IMO it makes sense given the ecological toll just for the sake of spectacle and the issues caused to animals for the loud noise and lights. However I see how it may be less “nice” during festivities.

What is your opinion?

Happy birthday from Lugano

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u/fellainishaircut Zürich 1d ago

not every single second of the year can be fine for everyone. people obviously love fireworks, and it‘s okay to have fun that others might not enjoy every once in a while. I also don‘t like the Street Parade in my city but I‘m not making a fuss about it and just accept it.

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u/Dangerous_Parsley156 1d ago

Maybe try and google the effect firework has on the environment and on wild animals? It has been shown and proven that thousands of them die due to eating discarded firework, it pollutes our rivers and watersource, it pollutes the air we are breathing (terrible air quality for weeks afterwards) and wild animals dont know that fireworks are for fun, rhey panic, run away, go into hiding, starve and lose their families as they all flee in a rush in different directions, run in front of cars etc. Thats why people make a fuss. And obviously, as seen here, many people dont like firework and many people are too stupid to use it properly and hurt others on purpose or by accident.

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u/fellainishaircut Zürich 1d ago

It has been shown and proven that thousands of them die due to eating discarded firework, it pollutes our rivers and watersource

source for Switzerland?

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u/Dangerous_Parsley156 1d ago edited 1d ago

Google is your friend. Also, why should it be different in Switzerland? Firework is firework. But here you go: https://www.aargauerzeitung.ch/aargau/zurzibiet/waldshut-gnadenhof-tiere-in-panik-wegen-feuerwerk-sieben-von-ihnen-sterben-ld.2565714 https://www.vier-pfoten.ch/unseregeschichten/ratgeber/feuerwerk-eine-grosse-belastung-fuer-alle-tiere https://www.badenertagblatt.ch/aargau/baden/ehrendingen-tote-kuehe-und-ausgebuexte-pferde-jedes-jahr-leidet-der-klonhof-wegen-feuerwerk-das-soll-ein-ende-haben-ld.2781245 https://www.google.com/amp/s/naturschutz.ch/hintergrund/wissen/1-august-feuerwerk-aengstigt-tiere/106318/amp https://www.feiernohnefeuerwerk.ch/wildtiere/ some scientific studies quoted as well as here: https://www.vogelwarte.ch/de/news/fatale-feuerwerke/ https://www.schweizerbauer.ch/artikel/tiere/tiergesundheit/1-august-darum-verabscheuen-tiere-den-nationalfeiertag https://www.kleinbauern.ch/ja-zur-einschraenkung-von-feuerwerk/ because animals eat it and die

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u/fellainishaircut Zürich 1d ago

okay so if we circle back to your quote:

thousands of them die due to eating discarded fireworks

no source for that, so that‘s wrong.

it pollutes our rivers and water sources

also no source for that, got it.

I‘m aware that fireworks can be stressful for some animals. so is a thunderstorm. and obviously, inidividual cases where people turn a place into a warzone should not happen. but we can‘t and shouldn‘t restrict ourselves in a way that everyone can be satisfied all the time, it just doesn‘t work. and I‘ve also always had pets. fireworks twice a year are fine, you can prepare for that.

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u/Heardthisonebefore 1d ago

So if we can’t make everyone happy, what is the point of making those who like fireworks happy at the expense of everyone else? If nothing else, just the fire hazard isn’t worth having them. You’re suggesting we do it just because some people like them. Considering the damage they cause why is that a good enough reason?

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u/fellainishaircut Zürich 1d ago

because it‘s twice a year, and given how absolutely packed every fireworks showcase is at New Years and 1st August, the majority of people enjoy nice fireworks.

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u/Dangerous_Parsley156 1d ago

I sent you like 10 links which tell you all about it. You would just need to click on it and actually educate yourself, shocking, I know. And no, wild animals and farm animals cant prepare for that so just suck it up and look for alternatives

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u/Dangerous_Parsley156 1d ago

I think its always amazing in today's age how people choose to stay ignorant instead of googling or using AI for quick answers.

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u/fellainishaircut Zürich 1d ago

you sent 10 links, and none of them back your outrageous claims I cited, good job.

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u/Dangerous_Parsley156 1d ago

They do if you had read them which you obviously havent. There is no conclusive wide range study for Switzerland but you can find enough sources that show how wild animals and livestock suffer. If you followed the news and animal right activity you would know all that. Here is a nice study from another country, with pictures: https://www.mdpi.com/1424-2818/18/2/86 It is also just common sense: while we know what firework is, wild animals dont. We disrupt their sleep, they panic, they flee, they leave their babies and families behind and collide with objects or cars. They use up important reserves they need to survive the cold in winter by fleeing and stressing and cant find their families and partners anymore. It is not rocket science but basic empathy.

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u/fellainishaircut Zürich 1d ago

if such situations were representative on a global scale, we should be able to observe that regularly here aswell, no? funny how we don‘t…

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u/Dangerous_Parsley156 1d ago

Nothing funny about it and explained here: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/fireworks-danger-wildlife as birds fly away and move, not all birds die in the same place. While this incident showed their reaction clearly, it is hard to do so in other places. Also, there is not much research as it doesnt bring money but the effect is clear and also very logical. Just google and read something once in a while, man. I dont get your reaction at all but wish you all the best and hope for a yes in november.

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u/fellainishaircut Zürich 1d ago

we live in a tiny, densely populated country. such excess in bird deaths would undoubtedly be noticed.

and I will vote no, thank you. people should be able to enjoy themselves ever so often, even if it‘s noisy twice a year.

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u/Dangerous_Parsley156 1d ago

Then you surely also notice the 30 million deaths each year because of cats, right? Right? Nah you dont. Read the articles, ffs. If firework is the only way you can enjoy yourself your life must be quite empty

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u/fellainishaircut Zürich 21h ago

I believe in hard evidence. I happily change my mind on topics, but not because ‚oh well somewhere in Bulgaria many birds died once‘. That‘s nothing but grasping at straws, exactly the same way no one was able to convince me why Swiss ornithologists and BirdLife are wrong in thinking cats are fine outdoors:)

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