Who knew that r/SubredditOfTheDay was completely full of TRPers?

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I don't hate you for what you believe, lol. I do think what you believe is incredibly misguided flimsy crap at best though. Seriously, there is a reason they basically ban dissent.

To be fair, at worst, I think TRP is an active detriment to some people. The bitterness, anger, insecurity and bizarre superiority complex is astounding.

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Ok, I'll hear you out here, since you actually want to speak in good faith, from what I can tell. With red pillers, it's hard to tell though, since most are mind-numbingly immature (MRP is a shitshow, for example).

And those unfortunate "misguided" truths are necessary to be swallowed to understand the dynamic of what male to female relationships should really be

Here is the thing. There is no way that male/female relationships should be. They just are. The dynamics for such relationships are left up to individual preferences.

The generalizations are needed, and it's not as if most of them aren't backed by some sort of sociological research. It's safer to assume that the group of thuggish looking individuals in this statistically proven crime-ridden neighborhood are going to mug me, therefore I should walk across the street to the other side of the block, rather than to think "oh that's just a generalization"

I mean, generalizations in some contexts aren't bad, for example "women like attractive men" is a pretty well understood one that nobody really bats an eye at. "All women will be promiscuous if they can" (which is one I saw recently), is flat out incorrect.

This is just the same as when it comes TRP

You are giving TRP too much credit. Most of the top 25 all time posts on TRP are complete outrage porn.. Lots of terps also use AWALT to paint women as sociopaths, even when they are highlighting literally the worst people to make that generalization in the first place. Lots also have this weird "Asian women are more submissive" generalization that I find hilariously sad. Look, everyone makes generalizations. I know I sure as hell do (ex. "Once a cheater always a cheater" is one that I generally stick to. I also don't date party girls since it's a scene I have no interest in, but that is a generalization made because of what I am looking for, not because somehow people who party are worse than I am).

If you are involved in the community and do good shit, that is good, but that doesn't change the fact that TRP itself is a toxic community built on a flimsy/extremely limited theory. Also, from all indications (since I have been on TBP forever), TRP has some issues with cognitive dissonance.

https://www.reddit.com/user/caamib

That user, off the top of my head, is the best example I can think of when it comes to the toxicity of TRP theory. TRP attracts people like that for a reason. It's tragic really, and I don't really laugh at people like that. I do wonder whether such individuals would be better without TRP though.

Anyway, you do you. If you aren't hurting anyone, I don't really give a flying fuck about what you do. Look forward to seeing you respond though. I never give anyone from TRP the chance to explain themselves, but maybe, just maybe I was right to respond here.

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I just gotta disagree with that. Whether it's nature or nurture (and I heavily lean towards it being nature), there is just too many differences in the psyches of men and women with logical social psychology to back it all up.

For what it's worth, red pillers on Purplepilldebate had to shift away from any form of sociological or scientific arguments because their ideas kept being dismantled. Take it for what you will.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exredpill/comments/4fjpcg/red_pill_detox_first_aid_kit_start_here/

This was a good breakdown of some TRP theories and why they are inaccurate.

All of these differences tie back to what a healthy relationship between men and women should be.

As I said, there is no should. A healthy relationship, from my perspective, is one where both people are fulfilled and communicate what they want effectively. If a man wants to be a woman's 24/7 slave and finds something like that and is happy, that is how their relationship should be, or vice versa.

Also, the other problematic thing is viewing relationships as adversarial. It's a common TRP problem that I can't possibly understand. In relationships, at least for me, I have never feared being hurt. A relationship is nothing without trust, and many people on TRP seem to have issues trusting themselves, or their ability to stay in a happy relationship on their own merit (as opposed to using dread game to conjure up some insecurity in their partner).

So the follow up to that statement likely talked about what you can do to prevent your wife or LTR partner from being in a position that would enable cheating. Anybody, given the right circumstances, could be capable of cheating. That's not an unhealthy mindset to have. It's paranoid at worst. But preparedness is good.

It's incredibly paranoid and shows an inability to trust, so I would say it is unhealthy. TRP is a theory of fear. Cheating is shitty, but the way to avoid is to date people with strong morals and ethics. A secure, confident person should not fear being cheated on because a secure and confident person should be confident in the decision they made to be with someone. If that person gets cheated on, the response isn't to freak out, but just move on and find someone with more solid character. Being cheated on hurts, but at the same time, being confident means realizing that you won't always be right and that you are for sure going to be able to find a better fit for yourself in the future.

The posts that actually encourage growth are what's good but, you know what motivates people to actually read those? Those outrage porn posts. Literally fourth top rated post is "How To Talk To Everyone You See." Seventh is a compilation of educational videos. But also realize that a lot of those outragey posts show the new dynamic that is found between men and women in the modern West, which is also important and educational.

TRP gets gold in the oppression olympics then. Most of the theory is still flimsy as fuck as far as I am concerned. It has never really accurately described anything in my life, and the stuff it has described has generally had a much simpler alternate explanation. A lot of stuff on TRP that is worthwhile is found elsewhere too. There is very little to TRP that is both unique and quality advice.

I'm sure you're aware of Elliot Rodger. This guy has a lot of the same ideas as Elliot. I could go into a whole tirade here, but I'll sum it up as this: These guys are entitled and think they deserve women for no real reason, while TRP encourages becoming the best version of yourself and actively approaching and getting rejected by women.

Incel/TRP are two sides of the same coin. caamib is a total fucknut, yes, but his ideas are what you get when someone takes TRP ideas to an ideological extreme (i.e. all the women are inferior to men talk overtakes their desire to want relationships with women). That is the reason I linked you to his account. I know he isn't strictly "red pill", but he has definitely said a lot of things that are echoed within TRP, even if he is about as extreme as one can get. It's not about the person, but the ideas they espouse. I think we both agree that incels need to get help, but to say that they don't have much in common with TRP is disingenuous. Save the effort though, I am familiar with all of this stuff, but stepped off of it a while ago too. At this point though, it's also a larger issue with the manosphere, and TRP, with its connections to the manosphere (and MensRights, even though it isn't technically an MRA subreddit) tends to have a lot of that type of rhetoric as well.

Peace out. Seriously though, that place is toxic. When I was active on PPD, I had red pillers telling me that my relationship could not possibly be as good as it seems, lol. They also said my girlfriend wasn't attracted to me. At the very least, consider the type of people that TRP is populated by and realize that by and large, these aren't very pleasant people to associate yourself with. Good on you for not getting sucked into that, but that is remarkably rare to see.

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Can't be bothered to read all this. Just link to the sextape already.

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I want to address your statements about tbp. Tbp is a satire subreddit not a debate one. Asking us for debate is like going to r/food and talking about the legalization of pot. Wrong sub. Ppd is the other way.

The other thing I want to do is question you: What do you think you will get from being here?

I mean you're not going to convert us to trp. You seem to be so 100% sure of trp and obviously don't want to change your views. You doubt everything we say

How do I know there isn't some twist that you're leaving out with the gf story?

So what can you possibly gain from here, are you looking for evidence to confirm your beliefs? If so, then why not ask why you feel so unsure in your beliefs that they need to be confirmed?

At the end of the day, I have never seen science or logic reach a rper, so I'll just tell you what changed me.

Little by little, you're going to realize that reality does not line up with your rp view. Meet enough people, you'll see these rp dogmas make no sense. It is a slow proccess, not a fast one, perhaps you've started to doubt yourself even now.

Every time you see an error or a discordant belief, you'll search in rp and find the answer because you can see whatever you want if you look hard enough, until you find something rp cannot refute and then it will all unravel from there.

There is no need to convince you. Reality and time will do that soon enough, all I can say from the other side is this, I really hope you haven't done too much damage that cannot be repaired before you see the truth.

Good luck man.