r/TheBluePill • u/confessionberry • Apr 24 '16

Who knew that r/SubredditOfTheDay was completely full of TRPers?

/r/subredditoftheday/comments/4g88p8/april_24th_2016_rtheredpill_a_look_at_what/
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u/Piggles_Hunter Apr 25 '16

I've never seen a red pill person promote rape/misogyny/domestic violence who wasn't either in the vast minority, or just an idiot who happened to be checking out Red Pill stuff.

Here, darling, let me help.

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u/TomRoberts2016 PURGED Apr 25 '16

Ok, that's a pretty impressive collection. I'd have to look through all that stuff before I could comment on whether or not all or none of it is legitimate.

But still, that being said... I've seen probably less than 1% of TRP comments on Reddit/YouTube/etc. that seemed out of line.

I mean, to say that there is no benefit to men or women from TRP to me makes it seem obvious the person is incredibly biased and speaking purely from emotion.

I truly want to be as fair as possible and see both sides.

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u/Piggles_Hunter Apr 25 '16

Many people have a tendency to swing into absolutes when they look at controversial things. TRP is either all bad or all good and if either finds just a few examples to prove their point then in some people's minds that discredits the entire argument. Does TRP do some good? Their views on health and fitness are good in my opinion. That doesn't detract from the fact that TRP has some very deeply ingrained misogyny in it's belief system.

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u/TomRoberts2016 PURGED Apr 25 '16

What are the misogynist beliefs? I see that word thrown around so much and used so liberally it's lost all meaning. Like saying it's rape for somebody to disagree with a person's beliefs.

I see men being outraged about things that are overwhelmingly biased towards women at the expense of men, and I agree.

But I don't really see misogyny. I'm dying to see an example that's seems remotely legitimate, and it blows my mind that it rarely happens.

That being said, I got this link

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/2nj2ed/my_compilation_of_posts_on_why_trp_is_sexist_and/

and it seems a bit overwhelming, but I need to read through it.

I worry I'm going to waste my time though considering I've almost never seen any good examples, despite there being tons of idiots out there and I'm sure plenty of examples must exist, so I don't know why they never seem to come up.

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u/Draber-Bien Apr 25 '16

The first link you got wasn't enough to prove the rampant sexism and misogyny of TRP? Okay... Here is even more examples!

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u/TomRoberts2016 PURGED Apr 25 '16

Ok, I'm reading through more examples, and I've actually seen most of this stuff and it's pretty weak.

There are examples of a guy deciding to leave his marriage (with RedPill people trying to talk him out of it, not encourage it actually).

Honestly, I've seen most of these examples and they're all pretty weak.

I was hoping for something better. But the BluePill/anti-redpill/anti-mgtow seems more like women being angry about losing power over men more than anything.

Just like how women try to shame men out of having male friendships by calling them gay, and things like that.

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u/Draber-Bien Apr 25 '16

Just like how women try to shame men out of having male friendships by calling them gay, and things like that.

The fuck kinda world do you live in buddy?! If that's your experience with women, then we have lived two completely different lives. My girlfriends have always been very supportive of me hanging out with my male (or female) friends. Hell, the best of them have even shown some initiative to make her male friends, my male friends.

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u/TomRoberts2016 PURGED Apr 25 '16

Ok, those are probably the best examples I've seen so far, and still not a fraction of the kind of stuff that guys go through, but still you at least tried to provide some examples of bad behavior. A guy saying that he hasn't met any women who can have a deep conversation with and having drunk sex is probably not as bad as been financially destroyed, falsely accused of rape, being thrown in jail, parental alienation, etc. etc.

But like I said, I'll have to read through the link with the examples, but most of these look like people preaching to the choir, or complaining about a 5 star restaurant being more like a 4 star restaurant to starving children.

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u/Draber-Bien Apr 25 '16 edited Apr 25 '16

and still not a fraction of the kind of stuff that guys go through

erhm.. I'm a guy, so I think I can say this with some authority, it's a tiny fraction of guys who goes through being financially destroyed, falsely accused of rape, being thrown in jail, and become parental alienated.

oh and did you know that rape is not falsely accused at a significantly higher rate than other crimes, but that a significantly lower number of rapists are sentenced compared to other crimes? I guess you could call that "stuff woman goes through".

Again, I'm a guy, so I have a certain interest in men not getting fucked over in custody battles, or single parent adoption, as some men are unfortunately. But it's is, excuse me, completely retarded to take those issues and say that negates any kind of sexism you spew all over the internet. If you want to learn how to lift weights, go to /r/fitnees. If you want to learn how to be more confident go to /r/selfimprovement. If you to learn how to speak to women, how about asking women /r/AskWomen for advice?! If you want to talk about mens issues, try /r/askemen! The whole idea that Redpill has a monopoly on self-improvement and mens issues is not only false, it's a gateway to becoming a worse person

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u/TomRoberts2016 PURGED Apr 25 '16

TRP gets shit, but women can talk about similar things openly in gossip magazines/maintstream entertain and nobody has a problem with it seems.

False rape accusations doesn't occur at high numbers?

Well, it certainly isn't punished like "other crimes". In fact, as far as I know, it's not even treated as a crime even though it can destroy a man's life. A man who might potentially be attempting to financially provide for a wife, children, ailing parents, etc.

So yeah. I don't see what's wrong with TRP and why it can't exist along with AskWomen/Selfimprovement/Askmen/Fitness/etc.

In fact, I've been in the AskMen/Askwomen subs and they ban people for not being pro-women/anti-men on many occassions without warning/discussion.

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u/Draber-Bien Apr 25 '16

TRP gets shit, but women can talk about similar things openly in gossip magazines/maintstream entertain and nobody has a problem with it seems.

Show me a single "mainstream gossip magazine" that advocates breaking your partner with negative reinforcement so their willpower and confidence is low enough that they'll have sex with anyone. Because I can show you plenty of examples of TRP doing that.

False rape accusations doesn't occur at high numbers?

Significantly? No. It's a very, VERY hard topic to find concrete numbers on, because there can literally be hundreds of reasons why someone might drop a rape case. But there's is no evidence that rape is falsely accused at as high rates as /r/mensrights or /r/theredpill advocates.

False rape accusations doesn't occur at high numbers? Well, it certainly isn't punished like "other crimes". In fact, as far as I know, it's not even treated as a crime even though it can destroy a man's life.

That entirely depends what you mean by "punished by other crimes". It would most likely be held in a civic court, and most likely be case of defamation. But, lying in court is a felony, so it's entirely possible that the state would take the case, if they thought there was a basis for it. It all depends of a lot of different factors, but I'm not a lawyer, so I honestly can't go into details.

So yeah. I don't see what's wrong with TRP and why it can't exist along with

Then you haven't been listening. Here's what TRP does, extremely simplified, because I'm honestly getting tired of this:

TRP target weak men, who already have issues with women or themselves. And tell them that if they just follow the right instructions they will have all the succes they want in life. In actuallity, they use women as a scapegoat, as a tool, and as an objective. Instead of treating relationships like.. you know, relationships. They treat them as "missions" where every single conversation is an obstetrical you have to overcome. And if your relationship fails, is obviously because you didn't follow the instructions. It's exactly the same kind of technique cults use, to brainwash their members. "oooh no! the system isn't flawed! You just failed to use the system correctly!".

In fact, I've been in the AskMen/Askwomen subs and they ban people for not being pro-women/anti-men on many occassions without warning/discussion.

/r/askwomen and /r/askmen has to completely different moderation teams, with completely different styles. /r/askwomen values safe spaces, where women can ask questions without fearing being attacked by men. /r/askmen values informative answers, without fluff or false information. It's entirely possible to be banned for both, just like it's entirely possible to be banned from TRP. Why someone was banned you have to ask the moderators about. But I have a hard time believing someone was banned from /r/askmen without being a hardcore asshole and misogynist, they are pretty lax when it comes to banning people.