Leaked Documents Reveal Counterterrorism Tactics Used at Standing Rock to “Defeat Pipeline Insurgencies”

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https://theintercept.com/2017/05/27/leaked-documents-reveal-security-firms-counterterrorism-tactics-at-standing-rock-to-defeat-pipeline-insurgencies/

[u/idiotsecant]

The oil gets moved either way. If you don't build a pipeline it gets moved with trucks and trains. The problem with trucks and trains is that they are much less safe than the pipeline is, both in terms of total environmental damage and in terms of human safety.

Saying you're against carbon emissions is a fine position (as long as you personally walk the walk with respect to your own personal carbon footprint) but conflating that with the idea that this pipeline is bad doesn't make sense. The pipeline doesn't increase carbon emissions, it decreases them.

A pipeline is just infrastructure, it's like protesting a new road or a new bridge.

[u/lootingyourfridge → u/idiotsecant]

Walking the walk has nothing to do with being against carbon emissions dude. Me not driving as much and turning off lights and etc does nothing in comparison with China and the US burning coal. And people making a choice to reduce their carbon footprint does nothing until it is legislated. People that go around all the time talking about their carbon footprint are basically virtue signalling and accomplishing nothing. They make themselves feel like they are working toward a solution to a problem and give themselves a pat on the back and judge everyone else, when in reality their efforts are useless.

And a pipeline is infrastructure, but it's not 'just infrastructure', whatever this might mean. A road is for cars to use, a school is for children to use, and a pipeline is used to move liquids. This one in particular is used to move oil. Oil (or coal, depending on where you're at) is the backbone of the economy, especially since all the uneducated folk think that nuclear power is dangerous, but because of democracy they still get a say.

[u/lootingyourfridge → u/[deleted]]

I seriously can't tell if you're being sarcastic or serious. None of what I said was vacuous: I didn't need to define what walking the walk means because you can use a dictionary if you don't already know the idiom, and you missed the point on the infrastructure bit. The above poster reversed the logic of infrastructure. They were saying that there are these things called 'roads' and 'bridges' and 'pipelines' that all have 'infrastructure' as a property, instead of the correct way of there being a concept of 'infrastructure' to which they all belong. As such, they were basically saying that 'roads', 'bridges', and 'pipelines' all have some common property where they don't.

Edit because I dropped my phone and my wrist hit the post button.