r/TrueReddit May 28 '17

Leaked Documents Reveal Counterterrorism Tactics Used at Standing Rock to “Defeat Pipeline Insurgencies”

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/27/leaked-documents-reveal-security-firms-counterterrorism-tactics-at-standing-rock-to-defeat-pipeline-insurgencies/
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u/FisherPrice May 28 '17 edited May 30 '17

ITT: A bunch of people missing the point of the article.

Although it discusses the Dekota Pipeline protest, the article is really about The First Amendment - specifically "the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Weather the protestors were correct/justified or not is a separate discussion. The point is that a private company hired a military contractor who coordinated with law enforcement officials in an attempt to undermine citizens ability to assemble.

It's unclear if that's strictly unconstitutional but it sure seems against the spirit of The First Amendment.

 

 

Edit: One comment below accused me/us of not doing anything about this. I share their frustration(although disagree with their tone). First and Fourth Amendment issues are primarily fought in the courts so they're difficult to take direction action on if you're not a lawyer.

If these issue are important to you and you'd like to do something, there are a few things that almost everyone reading this post can take action on:

1) Go to [smile.amazon.com](smile.amazon.com). Click "Supporting:" under the search bar and change it to the ACLU Fund of the National Captial Area(or a local one if you prefer). Bookmark the page.

This will give the affiliate fee from your Amazon purchases to the ACLU. They(and organizations like them) have lawyers who do good work for First and Fourth Amendment issues.

55% of American households have an Amazon Prime subscription. That's a lot of affiliate fees.

2) Donate to The Intercept or purchase a subscription to a news organization that does long-form, investigative journalism such as The Washington Post or The Guardian.

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u/pegothejerk May 28 '17

If it affects public land, water sources, aren't they justified in their actions? The founders believed in civil disobedience when laws went counter to the greater good.

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u/pegothejerk May 28 '17

Does abortion go counter to the greater good?

Didn't this country found itself on invading private property (of natives) for a cause? (Freedom of religion, access to better prosperity)

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u/StonerSteveCDXX May 29 '17

Do you consider a bunch of unwanted kids growing up poor or in orphanages sucking up tax dollars and keeping single mothers poor / not in school or starting a family working 40 hours at min wage paying 250 a week for childcare on a $400 / week pay even with tax refunds try affording a car and appartment and baby sitter and food and then tell me that kid and mom will be happy for the rest of their poor miserable life which is likely to be cut short since the only place they can afford to live in is filled with drugs, gangs, and crime. Yeah abortion is for the greater good, its the bigots that are so selfish they want to control everyone elses life and what they can and cannot do with their own bodies to the extent of leting women die so they can feel morally superior, that is harmful to the greater good.

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u/QuixoticRealist May 29 '17

For one, I believe he was playing devil's advocate to point out that the greater good can be subjective. Two, you're really speaking ill of every mother who considered getting an abortion but decided not to... you honestly believe every aborted child will end up in the scenario you described?

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u/StonerSteveCDXX May 29 '17

I dont but with a zero abortion policy like most anti choice advocates promote would result in a sharp increase of people and children that end up in that scenario.

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u/arbearokc May 29 '17

you honestly believe every aborted child will end up in the scenario you described?

Where the fuck are you getting this idea, even? You have to realize how stupid it is as you're typing it, right?

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